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Refuah sheleimah, Wolf.
The answer to the OP is that, no, it’s not a common discussion among Litvaks.
The simplest explanation for why it’s a popular discussion on the CR is because it’s controversial, with passionate opinions on both sides, and that’s what generates interest and responses on the CR
Whether or not debunking the Rebbe being Moshiach is sinas chinom probably depends on the intent of the poster, and I don’t think it’s fair to judge someone’s intent as malicious unless it’s obvious.
It may be a “only” a shtus, but it’s a dangerous and harmful one.
Still, the OP’s tayna doesn’t work – the false moshiach is still alive, so why would he need Moshiach min hameisim as a defense? Hrs not taynaing anything after he died.
I personally find Redleg’s tayna more compelling than the OP’s. Still more compelling is the fact that until the Rebbe’s petirah, the idea of Moshiach coming from the dead was never accepted as a mainstram position in Klal Yisroel, even in Chabad/Lubavitch. That’s why his petirah was so devastating to those who believed he was definitely Moshiach – because it totally didn’t fit the narrative. Some of those who couldn’t wrap their heads around the fact the Rebbe wasn’t Moshiach retrofit their hashkafa around his petirah, finding sources which may or may not support the notion – but at most those sources had the status of a daas yochid (bracing for comments about my screen name).
Must be whether or not there’s a Posek Hador.
DaasYochid: imitation is the best flattery.
I didn’t know that the words imitation and mocking were synonymous.
@DaasYochid Nope. Which is why we’re arguing about it in our free time in CR, instead of taking out ads in the Yated and posting petchkvilim to shul bulletin boards.
See above
Maybe the conmen earn more than honest people.
Seriously, cost of living is high, even on a simple level. Most families need two incomes. This was true 20 years ago as well, maybe less so 30-40 years ago.
So? Did it wear off?
Is this the most important issue facing Klal Yisroel in 2023?
What about Rav Shach
And R’ Aharon.
YungermanS is correct
Lol
It’s a sockpuppet account. How many accounts do you have?
The repulsion of all Rabbonim to the Zionist groups was because of their supplanting the Torah with Zionism.
That’s still a huge problem. Lots of Jews, even (maybe primarily) שומרי תורה ומצוות look at the Stare of Israel as our national pride rather than exclusive the Torah.
For example, many view the PM of Israel as a leader of our nation (and not merely pragmatically).
I still have not gotten an answer from the Anti-Zionists as to what would have been wrong had they put the state in Africa, seemingly circumventing the Three Oaths.
If “The State” would have been a “Jewish” country which didn’t follow the Torah, the issue of redefining Jewish nationhood as something other than a nation which follows the Torah would still be there. עיין ספר בעיות הזמן מר’ ראובן גרוזובזקי זצ”ל.
Also, how does Zionism not violate the core MO halacha of “thou shalt not do anything that bugs the goyim?”
Still waiting for an answer
Neville, yes, the attack was unprovoked.
It was provoked by the declaration of Israel’s independence
The rulers of the area agreed to the land being a Jewish homeland.
The Arabs aren’t considered אומות העולם??
I was generally using the Yad Moshe (then posting hebrewbooks links).
Also Google. Obviously you can’t trust “Rabbi Google”, but many of the topics discussed on the CR are of aside enough appeal that there are articles elsewhere about them, and some of the better ones have mareh m’komos which you can look up yourself.
How is relying on the lenient opinions regarding electricity a bizayon haTorah?
The two issues are unrelated, I don’t understand why you think there’s a contradiction.
NCB, I shouldn’t have said the word “precisely”, which was imprecise. As I recall, I was generally using the Yad Moshe (then posting hebrewbooks links).
Not sure anyone literally says that medinah money is assur b’hana’ah, it’s just a (pretty understandable) shittah not to take it.
Could it be that your seemingly encyclopedic knowledge of the Igros Moshe can be explained away by being tech savvy to know how to search for stuff on Hebrewbooks?
Precisely
Why should money from the Zionists be assur when usually issurei hanaah doesn’t transfer to money (with the exception of avodah zara)?
The more serious answer is that those who forbade taking money from the government wanted to distance themselves from the Zionists.
It’s hard to argue that they were wrong, as nowadays we see such a large portion of ostensibly Chareidi Yidden who are now quasi Zionists.
Basically, I think Hashem runs the world
A lot of unpleasant things have happened to humanity, as part of Hashem’s plan.
When there’s an imminent threat, we are scared (and we daven to Him for a yeshua); we don’t dismiss it.
That being said, I don’t know if AI is an imminent threat.
this is a ridiculous take
It is. The other approach, saying the 3 Shavuos for some reason aren’t binding, is the more common answer (which I don’t get either, since it definitely bugs the goyim)
Also, how does Zionism not violate the core MO halacha of “thou shalt not do anything that bugs the goyim?”
Waiting for an answer
Why should money from the Zionists be assur when usually issurei hanaah doesn’t transfer to money (with the exception of avodah zara)?
Seems like you answered your own question.
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Aveirah, the S”A doesn’t mention it. What else do you want?
He wants you to recognize that the fact that the Shu”a doesn’t mention it doesn’t mean it’s not assur to listen to music during sefirah.
@Meno, מחבר ספר שו”ת יח”ת?
Of course I remember you. And you’re posts are memorable because you’re one of the people that actually knows how to do the real quotey thing that requires HTML markup.
Also because his posts are intelligent and well written and always courteous.
You used to regularly come into halacha discussion threads with a bunch of sources backing up what you said
That’s true, but does not mean I have encyclopedic knowledge of the Igros Moshe.
Neville,
Thank you for the compliments (although extremely overdone, and especially the Igros Moshe part which is simply untrue).
(I still do some occasional lurking and even an occasional post here and there. I happened to see your name here so opened the thread.)Nice to “see” you.
Coffee Addict,
“Agnes Treuren, an officer in the Dutch Consulate in New York, insisted that both pronunciations were emphatically wrong. “It is ‘Fon Weig,’ with the last syllable pronounced like leg or beg,” she said”
From an old NYT article
Of course not
I heard it’s $1500 per side now.
Ooooh, if we’re just gonna make stuff up about other Jews, can I join too
Yes.
I’m anxiously awaiting
He seems pretty bitter. Nebach
It’s fun to blame whatever hashkafa we already don’t like, but I think it fails us when trying to understand the root causes.
Hit the nail on the head.
Examples in this thread of anti-Torah bias:
Blaming the community approach in a community which doesn’t have a higher prevalence
The ludicrous assumption that the troubled kids who haven’t connected with Torah would have connected with secular studies
The lack of recognition that there are definitely programs inside and outside of Lakewood which deal with boys who haven’t connected with Torah
Avirah, you are conflating teaching a woman Torah shebaal peh with her learning it on her own.
Bottom line is that if she’s learning it properly, it’s a mitzvah, but not a chiyuv.
@daas-yochid Getting a job or education is called “twiddling thumbs” now? Are bachurim sitting in the freezer or Eretz Yisroel just being mevatel Torah until they get married?
Of course not. Hence my question to Ari.
Ari, are you implying that girls are sitting around twiddling their thumbs until they get married?
Daas, that’s only chumash, and it’s bedieved; the rambam says it’s better not to do it, but if she does, she gets schar. For anything else, the rambam doesn’t say that she gets schar at all in the context of limud hatorah, and it’s in fact assur to teach Torah shrle baal peh.
If she gets schar, it’s obviously a mitzvah. She’s eina metzuvah v’osah, but regardless, it’s a mitzvah (like mitzvah aseh shehazman grama). The Ranbam is not mechalel between Torah shvaal peh and Torah shebichsav in this regard.
The fact that we shouldn’t be teaching them is a separate point which doesn’t negate the first point. The chiluk between Torah shebichsav and Torah shbaal peh is said regarding this din of teaching her.
Chananya Weissman is an extremist. Not just on shidduchim, but in many other topics as well.
The OP is too outlandish to bother responding to.
Avirah, there is a mitzvah, just not a chiyuv (except for learning practical halacha).
Apparently the most important issue of 2022 is why people like to discuss certain topics on the CR.
Saying something negative about someone for the sole purpose of not keeping everything pent up may be muttar if all of the conditions of lashon hora l’toeles are present.
Of course there’s room to exist and be human, but part of being human is controlling yourself and not “expressing yourself freely” when the purpose is to put someone else down.
Again, though, if the purpose is really for emotional health, speak to a rav about the circumstances and conditions undir which it is permitted (and proper) to say what you need to say.
My point was that you unfairly jumped on someone because you misunderstood his point.
You wrote, “I stand corrected”. You should have left it at that.
The Chazal he brought actually did support his point.
It just doesn’t support your exaggerated version of his point.
Syag, no bitterness.
You certainly come across as bitter.
Which siman in S”A talks about kosher vs. unkosher water?
יו”ד פ”ד
He’s making a simple point that we shouldn’t raise expectations unnecessarily. Not sure what you are reading into his statements that is bothering you so much.
I’m opposed to shidduch pictures because, although someone needs to find their spouse attractive, I think putting pictures on the resume puts the focus on the wrong thing.
He didn’t say the guy would be shattered. He said his expectations would be shattered.
Just because someone wouldn’t or didn’t take the high road doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.