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TheLargeWhiteUrsineReturns,
We only use blue milk. Less fat. 😉
I’m sorry I didn’t address your post earlier; I had missed it.
@daas yochid-
As I said on here previously, they aren’t just putting up a name and it magically tastes better. The franchise prescribes uniform standards for food preparation, along with cleanliness standards, and building design (which just adds to the aesthetic appeal).
As I’ve said, I don’t know for certain what the appeal is, but I have my suspicions; probably, the attraction is different for different people. I’ve also said that these are subtle points, and although I have my opinion, I’m not negatively judging any particular individual who goes to Subway.
A kula is not anytime that there is any sort of machlokes, at least that is not how it’s used by most people.
I agree. I am not suggesting that the term be used anytime there is a more stringent opinion. I am using the term, as well as the term “chumra”, on an individual basis, when an opinion deviates from the halachic “norm” as determined by learning through the “sugya”. Many people use the terms as a deviation from how halacha is practiced by the majority. I have no problem with it; it’s just semantics, I just think that someone should explain how (s)he uses the term so that (s)he is understood; that’s what I am now trying (again) to do.
Daas-no mockery,please
It was meant in good humor. I apologize if it wasn’t taken that way.
The snow existed prior to Shabat, in the clouds, in the form of water vapor and/or ice crystals.
I’m not a scientist; I believe you are, so correct me if I’m wrong – since the creation of the world, there is no new matter, only restructuring. Obviously, then, nolad does not mean yesh meiayin, only some form of restructuring of matter.
rabbiofberlin,
(If I understand your point correctly) if you’re right, then in every ?????? in ?”?, we should pasken ?????. And in every ?????? in the ???????, we should pasken ?????.
We don’t.
Daas~ I think you’re being unnecessarily harsh with oomis. I think she was speaking of having sholom here, & ‘live & let live’, of course within the bounds of halacha. IMHO
I never tried to stop anyone from eating anywhere, nor do I look down at anyone who eats in a Subway. I have my opinions about why it’s not the best thing; if someone agrees with me, fine. If not, also fine. It bothers me, though, that some people seem to feel that I have no right to express my opinions in a public forum such as this one if it’s more stringent than theirs.
Daas. Why not? I don’t have an opinion either way since I have no hashkafic issue with a Subway that has a hechsher.
If you’re asking why I have an issue with Subway and not with fixing clothing, it’s because I get the feeling (and I know I could be wrong) that the main appeal of a kosher Subway, KFC or McDonalds is that now we can “be like the goyim”. We should be happy enough with our own identity as Yidden. Fixing clothing is not related to this.
Does it bother you whenn going up the aisles of a heimishe grocery that you see “stickers” on malt o meal cereals, hersheys twizzlers, mike and ikes candies and dozens of other products?
No
DY, no one would keep crack in the house because there is no possible healthy use for it. Maybe a comparison to alcoholic beverages makes more sense.
Conceded. I think most people (regarding unfiltered internet) would then be analogous to an alcoholic.
@ Ferd.
SHE made the claim, so SHE should ask her posek. Noone else made a ridicules claim here besides her by demanding – as if its halacha limoshe misinai – that we all must shovel snow on shabbos!
First of all, I think it’s a he. Second of all, the point I’m making is that even if his posek says mutar to shovel, if mine doesn’t, I’m not shoveling.
And BTW, you made a great point about when the snow fell.
What’s the difference with all this arguing? If the food is unquestionably kosher, either eat it or don’t. But don’t take the taam away from other people who want to eat in these places. I was ecstatic when dunkin’ Donuts kashered their local franchise. And they are ecstatic, too, because it quadrupled their profits.
So let me get this straight; you think that we should not be able to discuss the halachic and hashkafic issues involved because you won’t have the same taam when you go to DD? (which by the way, was not brought up here, if I recall correctly)
Also, why should you lose your taam if you feel that it is unquestionably kosher?
(I’d also like to know where you are getting that all streets are 16 amos long, …)
I think you mean wide – if you include the sidewalks (which you should; it’s part of the public thoroughfare) most streets are 16 amos wide.
Have you asked a posek?
Better yet, call a posek, and get back to us. Make sure to post his name as well.
Even better, call the posek of every member of the CR.
I’d say good shabbos to either gender, if they’re CR members
good line
@ AinOhdMilvado , You are correct on the assumption that I did not see the Sakana until AFTER I fell.
Neither did the homeowner; why is he any more to blame than you?
We asked a shailah about salting the steps and walkway, and were told we absolutely MUST do it. I did not ask about shoveling, because it would not have occurred to me that it would be permissible.
Where you live, there is a kosher eiruv.
I remember R’ Shlomo Zalman Braun the Shiurim Mezuyanim Behalocho having his son go out Shabbos morning to shovel the snow inside the gates in from of his shul.
A few years ago, R’ Shlomo Miller wrote (in a short-lived Yated halacha column) that minimal shoveling is mutar; I think he said the only issur is uvdin d’chol. There was a controversy in a certain city a number of years ago when a rov moved in and was seen shoveling on Shabbos; another rov took him to task for it (and I believe ultimately retracted).
However, Zahavasdad made the statements that YOUR SHABBOS does not overule my shabbos or my right to even walkand that The MAIN issue is SAKANA, and the SAKANA is very real., implying that it would be mutar even if chillul Shabbos was invoved, e.g. a r’shus harabim.
You obviously got there; you could have turned around and gone back to where you came from. You seem to be suggesting that the homeowner should have been mechallel Shabbos so that you could get to where you wanted to go.
The MAIN issue is SAKANA, and the SAKANA is very real. How many people do you know who fell this winter on snow and ice?
If you feel that it is a sakana, then you should’t walk in an area which was not shoveled; you should turn around and go back home.
Refuah Sheleimah.
daasyochid- I agree with you that we have a different view of the term “kula” than most people on the site, but I don’t think we see exactly eye to eye on this one.
I agree. (Is that a paradox? 🙂 )
If my rov were to tell me he holds of this kula, then I would carry without feeling guilty and even shelo bishaas hadchack.
Then your rov would be agreeing to your use of the terminology.
So Please YOUR SHABBOS does not overule my shabbos or my right to even walk (I cant walk that far now)
I know you’re upset, and I do feel terribly bad for you, but you should really ask a posek if what you said is correct.
Daas Yochid~ we’re buying in separate stores.
I would blame the store, not the company.
For all of you who are C”Y, be honest; is it all products and all the time or only when it’s convenient?
I can only speak for myself; all products, all the time, and I’m so used to it that I don’t find it much of a hardship at all.
Feif Un,
I assumed you would never do such a thing. My point was that the advice they wanted wasn’t the type you were offering; in common vernacular, C.Y. means a mashgiach present at the time of milking.
I’m with real-brisker, because I haven’t experience a significant amount of spoilage.
Charlie,
Thanks.
R’ Menachem Ziemba Zt”l H”yd?
Without commenting on my age, the people I’m referring to are in their 50’s and 60’s, are financially comfortable (not necessarily wealthy) and their kids are out of the house. I will say that I don’t fit into this category.
Not that I can see. There are ways to meet and form relationships for frum people which are not available to non frum people e.g. shiurim, shul, (just not during davening!), chessed projects.
Hatzlocha!
nice spin daas but i dont buy it
I’ll give you a discount…
Charlie,
Thanks for your post; I see I had a typo; according to M.B. a slight majority hold that 600k is not necessary for a rh”r.
Unfortunately, I can’t follow your link (filter glitch). Does Chacham Ovadiah agree or disagree with the M.B.?
mbachur,
Sounds to me (a total non expert) that you should bring him back to the doctor.
Aries, how are you feeling?
I’m not disagreeing that the internet can be harmful. Used irresponsibly it is dangerous. But the same can be said for Tylenol.
Any responsible parent keeps Tylenol away from the reach of kids who may want to try it. Adults have no desire to overdose on Tylenol, so it doesn’t need to be locked away from them. If someone was trying to break a bad crack habit, we would all agree that they should not have any accessible in the house. Unfiltered (or poorly filtered) internet would fit that category.
Daas Yochid; We have to thank GAW for opening this thread and thereby showing (Indirectly) what a Talmid Chacham he really is.
Good point.
Some people (especially the ladies) can’t keep up with the terminology. (It almost prompted me to open another (Sub)-thread.).
You’re right, but in fairness, I can’t follow the makeup and hair threads either 🙂
Actually, I think it’s good that people should know (both men and ladies) that many of the issues in which we get so caught up in the “politics” are actually complicated halachic issues.
But there is one point in your post that we should all strive to follow. Namely. That if I follow the Daas Torah of one particular Godol, I should still respect the opinions of the other Torah Scholars. Same goes for Chassidus. Everyone can follow any Chassidic Rebbi at the same time respecting all of the others. This would be a major contribution towards Shalom and would, hopefully bring Moshiach closer.
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The name “Subway” is associated with a restaurant chain that sells non kosher Sub sandwiches. This leads to a hashkafic issue among some, when this chain opens a store where the food is under a reliable hechsher. Those who do have this hashkafic issue, do they also have a problem with non kosher clothing made kosher (slits etc. properly repaired)? Do they have an issue with a clothing store known to push the envelope of pritzus that opens a store on 13th Ave in Boro Park that sells “kosher” clothing? (These are 2 different questions).
I can only answer for myself;
1) definitely not
2) I don’t know enough details; how the name brand is really perceived, are people attracted to the brand because of the negative associations or because of the quality, and mostly, whether the clothing sold there pushes the envelope in tzniusdik clothing (I do not wish to discuss the details of that last point for reasons of tznius).
real-brisker,
Thank you.
I think we have to understand that these are subtle sensitivities which can be difficult to articulate, and not everyone will have them. If someone does not feel this way, it does not mean that there’s any reason to chas v’sholom look down at them. I don’t mean that you do, just that people seem to be very sensitive to any “stringent” opinion as a put-down, even if it’s only meant to share one’s thoughts.
The Goq,
It seems that you’re very good at greeting first. Maybe your co-workers think you enjoy it and don’t want to take this enjoyment away from you.
“I also found that paying less for milk that goes sour quickly is not really a bargain.”
my daughter & I have found the opposite to be true. Emes seems to stay well, but Golden Flow seems to go bad faster… that’s our experience.
Are you buying them in the same store, and with the same expiration time (meaning # of days from purchase to exp. date)?
bpt,
Just curious, how old do you think I am? (You don’t have to answer because I might not want to confirm or deny it:)
I only meant that many people I know go out to eat weekly. I probably go out to eat less frequently than you.
gavra_at_work,
L’Hagdil Torah.
Because the RBSO said “learn my Torah”.
And this way the Olam knows the issues involved, whether they use it or not.
I appreciate your opening this thread, and your reasons for doing so.
Unfortunately, some people seem to feel that if someone expresses an opinion in halacha, it’s just to degrade anyone who disagrees or follows a different opinion.
If I’m not mistaken, the 600k requirement for RHR is the daas yachid of Rashi, and most eruvin rely on this.
It’s actually far from a daas yochid; many rishonim hold this way. According to the Mishna B’rurah’s calculation, there is a slight majority who hold that 600k is necessary for a r’shus harabbim. Others have a different calculation based on rishonim that the M.B. didn’t see.
something tells me if someone was to open a kosher KFC, Burger King, Dominos etc. In Broklyn there would be a lot of paying customers…people like what they can’t or don’t have, giving them a “kosher” access to the forbiden is a good business decesion….
I agree; I suspect that this also relates to part of the hashkafic issues that some have. If putting a famous name on a restaurant would improve the taste of the food, that would be one thing. I think, though that people are buying into the mass PR campaigns, and the attraction is not the taste, but the fact that now we can have what the rest of the world has. I think that this is unhealthy (besides all the fat!), a kind of collective low self esteem.
When Subway in Brooklyn opened, some people told me that it was no better than any previous kosher deli (which might be why it eventually closed).
As a marketing ploy, it might be great to get people in, but the food’s got to be good at the right price for any place to stay in business.
rabbiofberlin,
I looked up the rule of ???? ????? ????? ????. It very much seems the exception rather than the rule.
I found an interesting ??? ??? in ?”? ??’ ?”?, who asks why we need the rule of ???? ????? ????? ???? when we have a universal rule of ?????? ??? ??? ????? (according to most ??????, even the first day of ????? is ?????). He answers that since ????? is often at the expense of other ?????, such as ???? ??? or ???? ???, the normal rule of ?????? ???? ???? ???? does not apply; similar to the idea of ??? ????? ????.
newhere,
I think that you and I are using the term “kula” differently than others. Apparently, many feel that the term “kula” implies that the person utilizing it is a “kal”. I certainly do not use it that way, and it seems to me that you don’t either.
Admittedly, when I was in Israel, I had to do a bit of mental re-adjusting before I was able to eat in the KFC there. 🙂
I actually believe that “the mental re-adjusting” required to eat in a kosher franchisee of a non-kosher chain restaurant is part of the reason that some have hashkafic issues with it. I find it difficult to articulate my personal (hashkafic) issues, which is why I haven’t commented much on it.
clearly rashi (interpreting the gemoro) ascribes a keener understanding of halacha to the meikel.
The meikel perforce has a keen understanding, but not necessarily more than the machmir. Rash”i that writes the power of the osrim is merely not a proof. But still possible. Would you say that in the many cases that R’ Moshe Zt”l was machmir, he had a less keen understanding? (rhetorical question)
I have to research ??????, off the top of my head, it’s specific to that ????.
See for example, ???? ????? on ??? where he makes it clear that the ?????? went out of their way to find a ???? because of the tremendous difficulty involved.
As far as agunos, ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???!
I think they should be ok on shabbos, since it is not refuah, it is just entertainment.
That’s a good shailoh. If a pill’s only real benefit is to the sellers’ bank accounts, but someone thinks it’s effective, may he take it on shabbos? It might be shavi anafshei chaticha d’issura.
After 20+ years, and dozens of meals out
That’s (relatively) not that often; no wonder it’s exciting!
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Real-Brisker, any object in the world can be used for good or for bad purposes. I can use a pencil to write divrei torah, and I can use the same pencil to poke someone in the eye…The tool is a tool. Internet? Can be used for horrible things. Can also be a powerful tool for the good. One day Moshiach’s arrival will be the top story on every website in the world.
Yes, but the yetzer hora for the bad things online is very, very, strong.
I found that Pride of the Farm stays fresh the longest. I only buy Pride of the Farm.
I don’t think it’s available in NY.
ROB, the problem with the chumros is when people begin to believe the chumrah IS the halacha, and that the kula is clearly an avoidance loophole to get out of doing the REAL halacha (which I know for a fact is the negative connotation several posters in the CR think, when they hear “kula”).
How do you decide what is a chumra and what is a kula? I categorize it by learning the sugya and determining what the halacha should be according to the normal rules of p’sak. A chumra is when one is more stringent than necessary, a kula is when one follows a (legitimate) lenient opinion which, although not “standard” (I know, that word is much too vague) can be relied on in case of need. Both (IMO) are often abused.
I’m not sure how anyone can know “for a fact” what someone else is thinking, especially if they don’t say it.
I think we have to keep in mind that eating a meat sandwich with a vegan/parev cheese or a meat meal then parev ice cream is not a loophole…both the non dairy creamer and vegan cheese have no dairy in it what so ever…so not sure why you would need a loophole…
First of all, I agree that it’s not a “loophole”. But the burger is a serious shailoh of maris ayin. The ice cream is much more lenient because it’s not eaten with the meat.