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I think consuming that much coffee is pogem one’s brain.
By the way, with or without the hooves?
Did I write that? What am I talking about?
No, that must have been mod 80.
There is a big difference between the generation growing up now and my generation when we were younger.
Unfortunately, you’re right. I tried to be dan l’caf z’chus that her rant was not directly aimed at anyone, but rather venting her frustration. But this last jab changed my mind. And her claiming that she was kidding seems like backtracking. I know I should again be dan l’caf z’chus, but how far can credibility be stretched?
Imaofthree,
Royal, boiled in foil pan in the oven.
The Goq,
57; gematria ????. (And Heinz varieties)
popa bar abba.
I agree.
I also think that what shlishi said is right, that unfortunately some people who seem to excel at bain adam l’makom neglect bain adam l’chaveiro, and this gives fodder to those who do the reverse to expand it to an entire group. It’s a kind of defense mechanism.
Regarding treating all human beings with respect, I know of a certain rosh hayeshiva, a gadol, who complimented the janitor, while not in his presence. One of his talmidim asked why it’s not lo s’chaneim, to which he responded that one must always speak positively, to train ourselves to be positive. Otherwise a negative attitude will come out at the wrong time.
Rezdy,
I tried defending you on the other thread, but this is just not nice.
Please tell me that I misunderstood you.
You think all goyim worship stars?
You forgot constellations.
But to post a blog about how “u can’t see how anyone can eat at starbucks is wrong.
Why is he any less entitled to express his opinion than you? He’s not physically picking anyone up and bodily removing them from Starbucks (at least I don’t think so; walking in would be maris ayin 😉 )
rabbiofberlin,
thank you-daas yochid- this is exactly what i meant ! You are always “on the money’ in all issues that you are discussing.
I’ll take that as a big compliment, especially since we have not always shared the same opinion; thank you.
By the way- on a personal level, I have never seen any “treif’ sandwiches in a starbucks. Maybe chicago is different. In any case, there would be a million “tsedoddim lehetter” not least the fact that the vast majority of utensils are washed with soap (I can’t even imagine not using soap)that gives it the “nossen taam lifgam”.
I have no idea personally; I don’t frequent Starbucks myself. The cRc does point out that the issue is not in all Starbucks locations. It would be surprising if they don’t use soap, but you never know, maybe the commercial dishwashers are different, or some of the utensils would get ruined by soap (these are total conjecture). I personally have no idea, but I have no reason to think that the cRc is fabricating this.
MDG,
I assume you mean ?????? from ??? ? and I understand why, but I don’t think anyone had an agenda on this.
There is also a clear ???? in ??”? ?’ ???? ?”?. The key words are:
??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ??????
This clearly implies that if it is not ??? ??? ????? one should be ?????.
DO YOU WANT TO EAT A PIG?
Yes, but the Torah doesn’t allow me.
THE HOOFS? THE SNOUT? THE TUSHES? THE ESOPHAGUS?
No
why dont you all wait to see what they have to say?
Because we’re bored now.
Actually, shlishi is right. There’s a concern of issur, so we should wait it out until the dust clears, and if it turns out it’s, fine, go back to using it.
They wouldn’t serve fake cheese- that would be maris ayin. They are shkutzim, but they’re not that bad.
Their rov might hold fake cheese is not maris ayin.
Aries,
I think most teenage girls (at least in my circles) are uncomfortable asking for money. It’s up to the children’s parents to either ask how much she takes (in which case she may still feel uncomfortable) or find out the going rate and do the proper thing.
popa,
That Bacon, Gouda Cheese & Egg Frittata on Artisan Roll looks really good.
Is that real cheese or fake?
deleting vs closing has nothing to do with the time it takes.
sometimes a thread was bad from the beginning—deleted
sometimes a thread has turned or is turning bad (remember you dont see all the deleted posts)—closed
I meant closing vs. deleting offending posts but leaving the thread open.
MDG,
If you read through my posts, you’ll find that I demonstrated that it’s obvious even in the teshuvos in Igros that R’ Moshe meant for the p’sak to be applied b’shaas had’chak.
I am familiar with R’ Forst, and I highly value his opinion (which might be a chutzpah for me to say, but in context of people who don’t know him, I hope it’s ok).
As I’ve demonstrated and pointed out, if R’ Dovid holds it’s l’chatchila, he’s not disagreeing with R’ Forst, he’s disagreeing with his father. His father clearly held that it’s not. (I use the term “l’chatchila” to mean when there is no “shaas had’chak”.)
BTW, I did hear from someone I know who was in R’ Dovid’s house and he was served only cholov yisroel. He didn’t know if there was also cholov stam in the house.
The end of an era’s arrived,
the coffee room will be deprived.
eclipse will be missing,
we’ll be reminiscing,
about all the threads she contrived.
The time is now opportune,
because she is leaving so soon,
to bid her adieu,
we’re crying, boo hoo,
the clock is about to strike noon!
Your absence will cut like a knife,
we wish you all good things in life.
May harmony and peace,
for you, just increase,
with only success, and no strife.
your wit and your wisdom we’ll miss.
How can we go on;
your laptop is gone!
We all hope that you’ll find real bliss.
We hope that we won’t be maligned,
if we ask one thing, please be kind.
Don’t be a quitter,
won’t you reconsider?
We’d be happy if you’ll change your mind.
DY – Your not sponsoring what? to become a mod?
True, but that’s not what I meant; I meant to pay for the extra time it would take for the already overloaded mods to increase their workload.
Anyone who has ever had coffee at starbucks knows that the coffee is always served in paper cups that are thrown away afterwards. Similarly, they do not use spoons btu plastic stirrers. I am at loss to understand the problem. The coffee machines surely are not washed “together’ with anything.
The cRc is apparently asserting that they do wash some of the coffee making equipment together with other utensils. Here’s the link to the OP.
Note that the terminology is vague; they’re not publicly saying that it’s not kosher, just that there is a serious kashrus concern, so ask a competent posek.
Then what is the point of the cRc? They are saying that people should not drink starbucks because they sell other items… What about 7eleven? The coffee there is kosher but they sell hot dogs and stuff and no one seems to mind… Does this mean that we should not buy anything from a store that sells things that are not kosher? Shouldn’t that be maaras eiyin also?
It seems that the cRc is concerned about a different kashrus issue than maris ayin, that the equipment used to make the coffee is problematic.
There are different opinions about the kashrus of the worms commonly found in fish today. It’s a difficult, somewhat complex issue. Some sable is farmed, which would generally not have worms in it, so you don’t necessarily know if that hechsher has a different opinion than the KCL or if it’s a different type of fish.
Aries,
I agree that Rezdy’s attitude comes across as chutzpah, but try to understand that she does not see any of the people she’s addressing, and is not used to treating a keyboard and screen as a human being.
Regarding another point you made about rates; your neighborhood probably has a much higher going rate than the typical rate in the neighborhoods of the other posters.
I hope you’re feeling ok.
The letter in chelek ches was written to a yeshiva, not for the general public.
It’s not written for a yeshiva, it’s written for a community.
As for a Rav who disagrees with R’ Forst, I already named one – R’ Dovid Feinstein.
You’re switching arguments here. You asserted that R’ Moshe did not intend for that teshuva to be printed, and your proof was that it was not in Igros. I asserted that the essential point was made in Igros as well, and that it is illogical to assume that R’ Moshe wished to “hide” his opinion that one should only rely on his heter b’shaas had’chak. I proved my view by pointing out that R’ Forst, who printed that teshuva, feels that R’ Moshe had no problem with it being publicized. Now you say that R’ Dovid disagrees with R’ Forst. Where is there any sort of evidence that R’ Dovid thinks that this particular teshuva is supposed to be a secret?
rabbiofberlin
and why do you assume that the maaris ayin aspect is less in starbucks than mcdonalds, if both serve treif hot meat sandwiches?
I hope the Rabbi doesn’t mind if I answer for him.
Mcdonalds’ primary business is to sell tarfus, so it’s an issue of maris ayin to go in even to buy a soda or coffee; one would naturally assume that the intent is to buy a hamburger. On the other hand, Starbucks’ main product is coffee, so despite the fact that one can also purchase tarfus, it’s not an issue of maris ayin (assuming the coffee is kosher, obviously).
It’s not appreciably different than walking into an Shoprite to buy kosher food, despite the fact that there is much non-kosher food sold as well.
Uze, Brach.
but Id rather number two
How would you know that if you haven’t met him yet? The grass is always greener…
wolfish
you can only complete the marriage paperwork AFTER the ceremony.
You can have a separate civil ceremony before.
BTW, what’s a wolfish, a canid that swims?
Eliminating UNNECESSARY stress
It also helps to eliminate necessary stress.
The other spouse doesn’t have to attend, of course, but it is only proper to invite them.
I agree. I’ll even take it a step further; when anyone receives an invitation, be grateful that they thought of you, and seriously consider whether or not your presence is really worth your time and their money.
This way, you could also book at least 3 weddings per night per hall, which should give the hall the same parnassa but cut the cost by a 1/3rd or more.
You would need to also triple the amount of people getting married, in order to fill up the other nights.
Apparently, it was printed in or slightly before ??? ???”?, plus I gave you a link to a teshuva from an earlier chelek. Here are the key words:
??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ??????
Loose translation with my emphasis:
If it’s very difficult to obtain CY, even individuals need not be stringent.
You can quibble with translating the words ??? ??? ?????? as “need not be stringent”, but it makes no sense to say that he meant it is assur to be machmir.
The evidence that his heter was for a “shaas had’chak” is overwhelming. In order to dispute it, you have to assert that the teshuva in ches is fraudulent, ignore the clear implications of the other teshuvos (especially the one I just translated), and somehow assume that R’ Moshe did not mean for the one which I originally posted to get out (which obviously R’ Forst disagrees with and you haven’t demonstrated any rov who holds otherwise). If that’s somehow the case, you have to assume that R’ Moshe’s reason for not wanting it to be publicized is that he didn’t really believe what he wrote!
DY – how does that answer your question?
It’s quicker for the mod to delete the whole thread than to carefully sort through many inappropriate or borderline posts in a controversial thread.
I would still prefer the thread continue, but I’m not sponsoring;)
Daas Yochid: Was it publicized earlier at the request of R’ Moshe, or by someone else? I didn’t mean that R’ Moshe didn’t write the letter, I meant it wasn’t his opinion to publicize it.
It was printed in a kashrus guide of some sort, I doubt against his will. It is also wholly consistent with the teshuva in chelek ches, and the other teshuvos in Igros also imply as much. For example, the one we referred to earlier, ??”? ?’ ???? ?”? ,says at the end (of the cholov part) that people who live far away (he likely means from the NY area) need not be machmir because of the expense and tircha, clearly implying that without the expense and tircha, one should be machmir.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14676&st=&pgnum=44
BTW, I don’t agree with you assessment of R’ Forst; I think he’s in the middle, but that’s all subjective.
I would like to point out that the takanos did allow for exceptions for exceptional situations. That includes all of Sacrilege’s stories, and even includes one of the undersigned Rabbonim attending the simcha of someone who helps in klal inyonim, or even that Rov’s own mossad.
The problem was that it watered the whole thing down to nothing more than a suggestion.
deleting a thread takes one click
There’s my answer. Thanks.
bpt,
In theory, I agree, but the number of guests is, if anything, the hardest to enforce. Some people have large families.
I personally don’t go to many chasunas because of my schedule. I think a great solution would be for all the men to have an iron clad seder at night, and politely respond no with the very valid excuse that you have a vital prior commitment.
I’m just curious, when a thread becomes inappropriate (and I totally agree that we should not be bashing the police), why does the thread close instead of the offending posts being deleted? Does it become too time consuming because too many posts need to be deleted?
Feif Un,
It certainly was R’ Moshe’s opinion; this was, as I mentioned, publicized years ago and R’ Forst merely reprinted it.
In all of the teshuvos in Igros, reference was made to the preference to be machmir, but this one is even clearer. The one in the (controversial) eighth chelek is also quite clear. I’ll copy the relevant passage from earlier in the thread (emphasis mine, parenthetical notes removed):
????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????, ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????
chap what?
It was an inside joke, for those following certain other threads.
always here,
I was wondering if anyone “chapped”!
Feif Un,
It was originally printed publicly, in the (????? ?????? (??? ???? ???-???? ???”?. Rav Forst obviously feels that it is for the general public. And his reason (in the situation it refers to) applies universally. I’m not defining any individual’s ????, but he clearly is saying that for the most part, people should not be lenient.
IMHO the reason 1 man bands have become more popular is because the quality of their music has improved over the past 10 years.
I think they’re both true.
There’s one more complaint against those who employ babysitters that I haven’t seen addressed here. Not only should the parents call if they’ll be late, they should not come back late! If a babysitter took a job with the understanding that she’d be home at 10:30, it’s not fair to first arrive at 11:30! The parents should ask in advance how late she can stay if things don’t go as scheduled, but otherwise, she may need to get to sleep at a certain hour (or have other things to do at home) and she’s stuck. Of course, unavoidable events can occur, such as traffic, but some people make a habit out of it.
I would think that reward is more accurate, since our Employer has full discretion in what He rewards us with.
keep in mind that in many cases there is no perfect translation of a word from Lashon Hakodesh into English.
You’re lucky. I know someone who almost got a ticket for talking on his cell phone because the police officer saw him scratching his ear. He only got out of it because he didn’t have his cell phone with him and he allowed the cop to search for it!
We are all, to a certain extent B”T every time we are mekayeim a mitzvah whoch we did not do beforehand in the proper way. But what is generally meant by the term, is not the frum Yid who tries to grow in his Torah and Yiddishkeit, but rather the Yid who was never minimally frum to begin with, or who was OTD, and in both cases, returned to frum observance.
You are correct in the common usage of the term, and I think you answered the OP’s question.
To the best of my knowledge, the original term technically can refer to anyone who has done teshuva (which involves regret, besides proper observance) from even one aveira.
Or the guy (me) who has an epiphany and starts keeping lo sisna et achicha bilvavecha?
Which part is new, the lo sisna et achicha, or the bilvavecha? 🙂
The Rabbonim wrote “except for extenuating circumstances”, but it did take the teeth out of it. However, it gives some people an excuse not to
overextend themselves. I think one man bands have become more popular than before the takanos.