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In both instances I chalked it up to making the kallah happy.
And that’s the bottom line.
if you continue like this, then one day, chas v’shalom you’ll really have a problem, and no one in the cr will believe you.
No problem, he’ll just open another screen name.
I am going to be dan chayav lecaf zechus and say that maybe the name is shared by a family.
He says he gave his other name, stamagoy, to his sister.
Aries,
I assume that you are not defending the practice of copying music which you did not purchase. I therefore don’t see the comparison to illegal software pirating.
Let them ask a shaila
You missed the point. Many, if not most, people are unaware of the terms inside the sealed package (if not being entirely unaware that it is a “rental” in the first place.)
I maintain that if it says on the cover that it’a a rental, and not to copy, then as long as you’ve seen that, you can’t claim ignorance of the terms as long as they are consistent with the idea of limiting copying. If someone didn’t notice the agreement at all (your second point) maybe that’s legitimate.
As a precauition, I use Joseph’s IP address.
😉
I just looked on the back of an Aderet release. It says:
THIS CD IS BEING RENTED NOT SOLD
Ask your retailer for a copy of the rental agreement, also see enclosed copy
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Apparently, if you speak English, it’s a rental; if you speak Hebrew, it’s a purchase.
YW
Oh, and I’m joking.
And many of know that he is Charles B. Hall, PH.D, Professor, Department of Epidemiology & Population Health, and Professor, The Saul R. Korey Department of Neurology. Despite our frum, sheltered backgrounds. And I would be thrilled to meet him, I’m sure he’s wonderful.
1) a. Where in halacha is there a difference between reasonable and unreasonable? b. IF there is, who is to say asking for your real estate in return is unreasonable?
a. The entire Choshen Mishpat
b. Anyone who is reasonable
2) I may know. Many many people do not. Many people bought the CD and still never realized it said anything about a rental agreement inside.
Let them ask a shaila
3) I’m not asking how either of us feel about it. I am asking what strict halacha has to say about it. In halacha, the aggrieved parties remedy for breach of contract, is to demand to reverse the original contract — return the item, get back your money.
They are not asking for a reversal of the contract; the contract stipulated that under certain conditions, the CD must be returned.
I can’t say too much, they’re still after me.
Alimony payments (JK)
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FTR, that’s not their names…
I know; just an attempt at humor (feeble as it may be).
Hence the 🙂
Is your name really Zev? 🙂
Tums,
Regarding your other point, which, I believe, was canine’s point, if you violated the agreement, why should they have to give you your money back.
Tums,
If they demand your first born, you can say that it wasn’t reasonable to expect that condition. If they demand that you not give someone else a free copy, you can’t honestly say that you didn’t expect that condition.
And by now, you know what it says inside.
If they couldn’t run ads, all the people working for the magazine would also be out of work.
My kids call us Mom and Dad.
That makes sense, since their names are Wilma, George, and Walter.
🙂
Yes. I escaped.
It’s fiction. Whether “she chooses to accept it or not” is up to the imagination of Riva Pomerantz.
Spoil sport.
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Ratio of sechel:shreiking == 3:1.
Only one shriek?
Daas, so if after you open the package it states that you just agreed to turn over any real estate you own to the producers, its binding? If not, on what halachic basis are any of the terms binding?
You know that’s a ridiculous argument. The rental agreement only limits your use of the CD, it has no external clauses (and the most it could do anyhow would be disallow use of the CD, not obligate you to turn over your real estate).
The question is also if its right for the producer to not let you copy for yourself when he dosent have any lost, isn’t that midas sdom?
First of all, they claim you should buy another copy. Secondly, even if it was midas sdom, do you think that would invalidate the rental agreement and convert it to a sale, or otherwise remove the limitation?
I happen to agree that it’s unfair to limit in such a way, but it’s not worth being oiver on g’neiva (or even a chashash) on principle.
I dont have a video of it as evidence, but there was no question about it. Its one room with everyone able to see everyone else (absolutely no hidden corners, room dividers, beams, etc).
What pleasure might I be gaining by changing details? If I wanted to make up or embellish a sensational story, I could easily get a lot more sensational or embellish a lot more.
I wasn’t accusing you of fabricating or embellishing anything, but suggesting that they were concentrating on the laining.
Even during laining?
I just find it hard to believe that an entire shul would be so callous.
I still don’t understand how anybody can know that ofcourse was seen and ignored; maybe she was not noticed (even during haman).
Shwekey does not have the RIGHT to say you are renting a CD if he prices it the same as a purchase.
Why not?
If they try this “shtick” of rental agreement to keep you from making a copy, then I would boycott any music from this producer.
I would too (and have done so. Well, maybe not a boycott, but I didn’t make the purchase). Most rental agreements, however, exclude anything to facilitate copying for others.
Daas, it’s hard to put a “rental agreement” on the cover. “Reference” to it is insufficient. Unless the entirety of the “agreement” is visible prior to purchase, it is not binding.
They write on the back of the CD that you agree to accept the terms of the rental specified inside. If you’re afraid of their ridiculous demands, don’t “buy” it. Besides, by now we all know goos and well what it says inside.
I don’t think they have a binding method of controlling copying (for yourself) purchased downloads.
OU’s article on gelatin:
excerpted parts: (emphasis mine)
This is not the mainstream position. It has been rejected by every major kosher certifying agency. Indeed, equipment that processed gelatin products might need kosherization, depending on the nature of the contact between the equipment and the product.
… Of course, there are products that require beef gelatin, and no suitable alternative exists. The kosher consumer will be pleased to note that the OU certifies such a gelatin as well. This special gelatin is made exclusively from the skins of kosher ritually slaughtered cows. Strikingly, this variety of beef-derived gelatin is considered pareve, and may even be combined with dairy ingredients! Although kosher laws are very strict concerning the segregation of milk and meat, the processing of these hides renders them pareve. Therefore, even kosher milk chocolate delicacies can be made with kosher beef gelatin. Orthodontists of the world rejoice: every sticky gummy treat is now available to the kosher consumer.
PY,
He probably knows someone who is an expert on this issue.
It’s worse when they are
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so why is everyone so against goyish music? please fill me in…thank you
The objection people have to the lyrics should be obvious. The objection to the music itself is more subtle, but, to simplify, I’ll just point out that music is very powerful. It can bring various emotions, feelings, and attitudes. These can be inspiring, or c”v damaging to the neshama. Secular music to often is the latter.
Daas: you know I am really suspecting you are either related to me or you are someone I know with the way you are uh shall we say driving me up a wall? LOL!!!
I think I’ll just keep you in suspense 😉
Keep to “pareve” subjects.
Do you mean that they shouldn’t discuss cholov Yisroel? 🙂
Daas: you weren’t kidding then?,
Actually, I was kidding again. That’s not my real name (unless I’m kidding now).
When is the customer given the rental agreement? Before purchase or after opening the package? The latter would be non-binding unless a return would accepted if the agreement is unacceptable to the customer.
They know this, and usually, reference is made on the cover.
You should discuss which topics are good to discuss on a date. When she asks for your opinion, you should say “discussing which topics are good to discuss on a date”. In theory, the conversation will never end, and you won’t have any “dead spots”.
it seems like u r a seminary girl that has become overly inspired
If you think so, then you shouldn’t be talking to her. Just ask stamagoy 😉
If someone posts something, but nobody sees it, is it still there?
Daas Yochid…thanks for the tip, but I’d rather keep listening to his music
OK, whatever makes you happy 🙂
ZeesKite
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Let’s review some CR history. Eclipse was the heroine, Joseph the villain.
Two points to ponder.
1)Suppose eclipse logged on to hear her own live ‘Hesped’. You think she’d be able to restrain from replying?
2)Imagine the Gevurah of Yosef to actually come out and say “Ani Yosef”, I am Joseph!
<head gets muddled past bed time..as exhibited before>
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ZeesKite
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Who is ‘miss eclipse’
Is that a complement?
(blush) Thanks.
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Still don’t think so?
Who is ‘miss eclipse’
Is that a complement?
(blush) Thanks.
Compliment. But I think you knew that 🙂
Poster
Member
Don’t worry, I do not believe that Eclipse left. She is probably just starting again with a diff user name.
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Shticky Guy
LOOK!! Nothing up my sleeve
Poster how do you know? Is it because in a previous thread when I posed the same question as to whether she would be posting under a new name she said to me ‘sir in my four decades i would not lie to you’ when she’s really only 17?? :-}
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Mr. 80
dont think so
Still don’t think so?
<em.zeeskite are you eclipse because she used to start random threads just like this one??
Aha! The first one to spell it out!
RSRH,
I don’t think the two interpretations are mutually exclusive.
All of the imperfections are planned precisely, hence the imperfect world is in fact a perfect world.
And the word you’re looking for is “techniques.”
A new human spellchecker! 🙂
I think rental agreements are standard now on Aderet releases.
I’m lost.
the apparent sinas chinam displayed towards one group of mispallelim, (in this case, Carlebach minyan)
Maybe it’s those rose colored glasses of mine, but no one said (or at least most didn’t say) anything about the people who daven at a Carlebach minyan, just the davening itself.
“listening to Carlebach will make you depressed”
I listen to Carlebach music and I’m not depressed….
Just imagine how happy you’d be if you didn’t listen to Carlebach! 🙂
what abt copying friends music and putting it on ur ipod
Assur according to many (most?) poskim, and definitely (IMO) not mentchlichkeit.
Although we miss eclipse, it seeems that ZeesKite is trying to fill the void. Keep it up!
Who shows pictures at 30fps? NTSC is 24fps and pal is something else, but neither of them are 30.
Film is normally 23.976 FPS but there are some systems that use 24 FPS
PAL is 25 FPS
NTSC is 29.97 FPS
ATSC supports all of the above and adds 30, 50, 59.94, and 60 FPS
At those other speeds, is there something inherently wrong? 🙂