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Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa
Ines Kristensen, physician, Peter Aaby, anthropologist, and Henrik Jensen, statistician8) The follow-up study concluded that vaccination actually leads to lower mortality.
For some reason, bais hillel didn’t mention that.
Am I crazy?
Sorry, not enough data.
If group B consisted of only 1000 children, and 10 were autistic, what would you conclude from that study?
That sock color causes autism
Neither socks, or MMR status is an indicator of the actual risk.
Because the risk has nothing to do with either one, right?
We don’t know who’s at risk more than others.
So they compared those with an alleged risk factor with those who don’t have that alleged risk factor and the results indicated that the alleged risk factor didn’t make a significant difference.
Make sense?
How was it calculated unfairly?
You’re basically saying that this study proves nothing on either way…
No I’m not.
I’m saying you twisted the results by leaving out numbers.
The results indicate no significant difference in rate of autism between those who received the MMR vaccine and those who didn’t (subject to the limitations inherent in a retrospective study).
isn’t the whole discussion about whether the chassidim strayed or not?
No
There is no real dialog or intelligent discussion here on the subject of vaccines, but who can come up with a better insult towards the opposing view.
You mean like calling all in favor of vaccines liars multiple times?
I must have missed where you said “Shame on you” to Doomsday for that.
If you’re (really) having a panic attack every time you see a Sukkah, I could see a hetter to not eat in a sukkah.
If that panic attack is caused by your version of “chassidus”, you need to start grasping that there’s something seriously wrong with “chassidus” which prevents you from doing mitzvos rather than enhancing your avodas Hashem, which is obviously what genuine chassidus is about.
Do you know how much the Rebbe spoke about women waering shietuls?
Sure, because he knew, first hand, that wearing a different kind of covering often leaves the hair partially uncovered. In the famous picture of her, which is on the official Chabad website, she’s not wearing a sheitel. Defending her by saying, “Do you know how much the Rebbe spoke about women waering shietuls?” is really odd when she clearly didn’t (always) wear one.
And btw, I don’t only know this from the internet, but that’s the only evidence I can show you.
you know very well it’s not from this online “evidence” thing that you should be getting the truth. from
I’ve seen pictures. Including on chabad . org.
Who developed “Factor Z” Autism = 68 children
From group B
+ 792 from Group A
= 860and its good enough for (some of) my mashpiim
You should find new mashpiim.
They all look pretty Tzniyus to me.
There’s online evidence that she didn’t cover her hair k’halacha, and I’ve heard that she wore pants.
That’s an impressive one liner that explains how my post was wrong. Great many sources you brought. I hope you never say that Donald trump directs the affairs of America because according to you, it’s avoda zara.
Because you wrote a fairly long post which totally didn’t address the tayna.
If someone would say Moshe Rabeinu runs the world it would also be a”z.
It’s Motzaei Shabbos.
have had Rabbanim tell me to write to the Rebbe on certain issues.
Just to be clear, that’s not the type of rav you should be asking. You should ask someone normal.
Life altering decisions can be many things, halachic and not halachic, such as where to focus my energies (teaching,’programs, best parnassa to help out my husband etc), whether to go to a certain sleep away camp for the summer, whether I should give birth at home or a hospital after doing the medical and halachic research, what should we do in our current financial situation etc etc
All if those should have a live rav, not your “own interpretation of selected passages”.
we can say the Rebbe is running the world
No, we can’t. It’s avodah zarah.
It just can’t be an independent Tzaar (like thinking about dragging blankets while eating):
But if I eat in my house, it’s not in my face. So you should pattur that “mitzaer” too.
Sun or cold doesn’t come from the Sukkah itself
Semantics. The sukkah is hot or cold or wet, the house is comfortable. So the discomfort does come from being in the sukkah.
Also, did you address my second point about how this “heter” even l’shitoscha doesn’t apply to at least the vast majority of chasidei Chabad who don’t sleep in the sukkah?
But yes, if you don’t have any guilty feeling, you absolutely are obligated to sleep in a Sukkah.
Which is (almost?) everyone, yet nobody sleeps in the sukkah.
So I asked a chossid Chabad this, and he said that he’s mitztaer that he’s not mitztaer. So I told him to be mitztaer in the sukkah, since the sukkah isn’t what’s causing the tzaar. It’s an offene Rashi.
Total disregard for the actual halachic process. Sad.
she used the latter expression
Mamash avodah zarah
What, that feeling guilty is called enough Tzaar to avoid sleeping in a Sukkah?
Yes, it’s total nonsense. You’re better off admitting that you don’t understand than repeating and believing this total krumkeit.
but I can give you two true examples (without names etc) one of a male and one of a female in chassidish communities who were much worse off in yiras shomayim than the in between Lubavitchers you complain about
Mamash like the anti-vaxxers. One or two anecdotes (real or made up) and voilà – proof!
Does anyone know whether its legal for hatzoloh to not hire men who are not married?
Perhaps you meant to ask whether billing insurance and Medicaid affects the legality of their “hiring” policies?
DY,
I tried looking for those comments yet was unable to find them, would you be able to post them here?
It seems that one comment was on them seeing what their insurance company paid for the transport, not sure if that was the comment you are referring to.
Sure, FWIW.
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emesvyatziv
December 6, 2018 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm
As one who lives in Lakewood and received a bill from MONOC for the paramedics Hatzoloh sent the same day a Shnorrer letter was received from Hatzoloh, there is something very wrong. There are people making money off the system and that is wrong. Either it is a volunteer service deserving of our support or they should not do any fundraising.Rabbi Kalman Epstein is 1000% correct. This is not the right direction for this premier organization.
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Yyser
December 6, 2018 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm
Omg. I got a bill a few weeks ago in flatbush. They took my father in for chest pains. My insurance company paid them. Didnt cost me a nickel. But why do i need to donate a penny to hatzolah now?Does anyone know whether its legal for hatzoloh to not hire men who are not married?
Does anyone know if this comment is relevant to the discussion?
If the State can show that students of a Yeshiva are not self-sufficient and rely on social programs, the Yeshiva will not be able to make a strong case based on Yoder. The State does not need to show why they are impoverished, just that a disproportionate are.
This isn’t so difficult. If the reason for “impoverishment” isn’t lack of education or lower gross income, it makes no sense to address it by changing educational standards.
3. If the students are doing so well the school will pass muster.
I will respond by quoting Joseph from above:
“This is a falsehood. The new regulations propagated several weeks ago by the NYS DOE make very clear that all private schools are subjected to their full guidelines, including requiring seven hours a day of secular studies, alone. Whether the private school is Ramaz, Yeshiva of Flatbush, Satmar, or Torah Vodaas.”
For schools that don’t educate, as they go against the Talmud’s dictate to teach your child a parnassah
They teach their kids how to make a parnassah. They don’t have college degrees perhaps, but they do very well in business.
It’s also not the government’s business how we follow the Talmud.
The average income is higher than that of public school attendees, so your points fall flat.
The statistic I focused on was families living beneath the poverty line, which Lakewood, Williamsburg, New Square, and Kiryas Joel are above or far above the national averages. Impoverished families generally get social programs. That is enough for the State to argue that they have a vested interest in regulating the schools.
That doesn’t make sense if the reason for the poverty level isn’t related to education.
There’s a general klal that you don’t need as strong of a Svara to legitimize an existing Minhag than to innovate a new one.
It’s debatable how old this “minhag” is…
Besides, there are weak sevaros and then there are weak sevaros. This doesn’t work within any normal system of determining or even defending a halacha.
If Hatzolah doesn’t collect from them then they will not gain much by billing insurance and they will chase away donors by billing in the first place that is exactly my point they are not gaining much and maybe even losing by billing insurance.
I’ll let them figure out the finances. I’m sure this isn’t the reason Mr. Rowe resigned.
Also, you’re not factoring in Medicaid.
This is only the financial negative of billing there is also the danger of people not calling thereby hurting the mission of Hatzolah in the first place.
I agree with you on that.
decent instant coffee
That’s an oxymoron
That was a LIE! I specifically wrote TWICE CongressMEN – not Congress!
You were caught in a blatant lie. You most definitely wrote “Congress” and when you were called out on that lie, in subsequent posts wrote “congressmen”. Denying that is not only another lie, it’s a really dumb one since your post saying “Congress” is still up there.
It’s not really much more dishonest than most of the things you’ve written about vaccines, which are also pretty blatant lies, but this doozy of a lie is right here for everyone to see.
Daas Torah
Halevai…
If a person hasn’t reached their deductible then insurance will pay nothing. Most people who are relatively healthy don’t reach their deductible.
Then Hatzala won’t collect from them.
Clearly you didn’t read the rest of what I wrote. Interesting very often doesn’t have a positive connotation.
Sorry about that. I read your post but did miss the word “trashed”.
I don’t know why you’d need some unnamed rov to explain nonsense. As presented here, it’s total garbage and an embarrassment to the Rebbe, regardless of whether someone actually said it previously.
That sounds very interesting
No, unless “interesting” is a euphemism for “retarded”.
It makes the Rambam entirely meaningless, because someone who doesn’t fit the criteria for Moshiach can simply die for a moment and then come back to life as Moshiach.
No offense, CS, but that’s a pretty cheap copout,
It’s complete intellectual dishonesty (maybe that’s what you call a copout?).
Do the areas that already bill including Catskill send bills to the patients?
I’ve asked that twice…
Two comments on the news story linked in the OP seemed to indicate that they got bills.
Hatzalah paying back deductibles would negate the whole purpose of billing insurance. Especially in today’s time of high deductibles.
They would still get whatever amount the insurance company pays.
It’s possibly insurance fraud, though.
I forgot what I was doing.
NCB, are you now seeing things differently than when you said you haven’t seen a rational reason not to bill insurance?
Yes, it is a LIE because MY words were ““Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???””
I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS as 2Cents yet again Lies, this time by Changing My Words!
You wrote, “Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.”
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/reply/1636164
Who’s lying?
If this is a lie, then be so kind to show us all the request that was submitted by Congress.
This was one of Doomsday’s many lies.
Just so I understand this so in people who have already revived some vaccines, who now have a weakened immune system, vaccines ARE helpful?
I asked this earlier. I’m still waiting for a response.