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anon1m0us,
The very fact that you cite examples of “black hatters” engaged in immoral behavior is an indication of what a black hat is supposed to stand for. The reason that the image conveyed is so striking is because it seems so paradoxical, specifically because the black hat is supposed to symbolize moral purity.
Of course, someone is not judged, ultimately, by his levush. But there is important symbolism and association. The fact that some, unfortunately, do not live up to what their exterior should represent is indeed a chillul Hashem, R”l, but is not a reason to disregard how one chooses to appear.
GM,
Who confused the two terms?
pba,
We’ve received those cards, and personally, I appreciated that the person acknowledged my family, and felt good that the money went to a good cause. I do understand where you’re coming from; Chaza”l dictated a specific way to show friendship. I just think it’s worthwhile to look at it positively (although I personally give food for mishloach manos and cards for birthdays :).
Who remembers when:
You actually dialed someone’s number on a rotary phone?
“Hanging up” meant suspendin the phone on its cradle?
The area code for the entire NYC was 212?
The newest recording medium was the eight-track?
Cuomo was governor of New York State? (Oh, that’s right…)
You had to stop at a gas station to ask directions?
There were earphones but no iphones?
Going online meant that you had to wait for the people ahead of you?
A web site was removed with a broom?
A desktop had paper on it, a notebook had paper in it, and a laptop had a baby on it?
A printer worked for the newspaper?
A monitor would tell on you to the teacher if you misbehaved?
A hard drive meant up a steep hill in an old jalopy?
I am not convinced that you are yoitze matonos la’evyoinim with donations to moisdes.
I’m convinced that you’re not (unless that moisad distributed food or money to evyonim on Purim).
But once one has given the minimum shiur to two evyonim, who’s to say that there’s more of a priority to davka give additional funds to evyonim rather than to worthy moisdos?
GM:
I was responding to this post:
Why would you even consider the possibility that he should sell his house, considering the aforementioned halacha that he should be supported to live at his original standard of living?
Now you are apparently agreeing that it’s a worthy possibility to consider, and even follow through on.
You can tu – na!
Daas, you forgot people who name their kids Yitzchak Isaac.
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Should we have a shidduch crises because of that?
So you’re claiming that the shidduch crises is because of black hats. In other words, age gap is a myth. The reason so many “yeshivish” girls are unmarried is because they are silly enough to insist on a husband with a black hat, even though there are not enough of them. And there are, apparently, an equal number of unmarried boys who can’t find a wife, simply because they refuse to put on a black hat. The solution is obvious! Convince the girls not to be makpid on the color of the hat, and if that won’t work, convince the boys to just put on the stupid hat already and get married! Genius!
That’s ok — I’ll fix MY daughter up with Rabbi Akiva!
The trick is to find an am haaretz who will turn into a Rabbi Akiva.
Had the Satmar Rav shown a bit less hostility towards “those circles” he might be appreciated more.
First of all, he was a big oheiv Yisroel whose “hostility” was never directed at people, but at anti-Torah ideals.
Secondly, was Hertzl better?
Grandmaster,
Let me get this straight. You don’t understand why it is praiseworthy to not accept tzedaka if possible?
What hechsher is on Ritalin?
pba,
You make fun, but isn’t matanos l’evyonim more of an ikar than mishloach manos? Presumably, the people who send out these cards do give mishloach manos to at least one person (probably more) and their point is that there focus, financially, as on a yeshiva, which can use the money more than their neighbor can use a bottle of grape juice which is barely enough for one cup of kiddush (better to use wine anyhow) and seven varieties of sugar made into some clever “theme”.
It sounds like your “confrontation” was done quite respectfully, as he took it well. We all need some work on our middos, but I don’t think you should be beating yourself up too badly for feeling frustrated; you’re a human being (despite your screen name :).
I’m a bit confused about one thing, though. How do you talk while you’re laining?
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I hope you collect a chosson…
Practically speaking, it won’t happen. No tzedaka organization has enough funds to cover every need, especially these kind of expenses, so they’ll first allocate funds for those whose needs are more basic. This halacha is still very relevant though; if someone owns a nice house but is now faced with little or no income, he will still receive tzedaka money even if he does not sell his house. (Whether he should sell or not is a different issue.)
I guess for those of us who lain again right away at night, we’re out of luck, as I don’t have time to finish Sefer Tehillim in between. 🙂
The Wolf
I thought your wife was a monogamist, so what’s the difference? 🙂
Others? What’s the first?
I think it’s clearly a sh’tar, for two reasons:
1. You can’t spend it.
2. It’s clearly a document instructing your document to pay the named person the specified amount.
The Wolf
I would think so too, but apparently, it’s not so simple, because point #1 is not so simple – checks can sometimes be passed from person to person until finally cashed.
My BIL had a shaila – a check he issued, for several hundred dollars, was never cashed. The person he gave it to said he passed it along. He was told (IIRC) that there’s nothing to do about it because the person he gave it to used it as $ so deserves no compensation, and anyone who subsequently received it would need to contact him (my BIL).
The bit about Fetter Shmiel,
does not belong in a Purim shpiel.
Gezel Akum’s stealing money,
something which is not so funny.
600kilo, you make me nauseous.
Of zekts un neintziger I would be cautious.
It’s really awful, to be frank,
I’d rather have Eau de Javel Blanc de Blancs!
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How I wish that I could be somebody…
Probably not.
What is this relevant to?
Your point about today’s finances being run differently is fascinating; we can discuss the halachic status of a check just as easily. Is it considered money, or a “shtar”? Very relevant in halacha!
Shhh… it’s not official yet.
“Some poskim” is not the same as all.
So wine is better, as I recall.
The mitzvah I won’t risk to lose,
that’s why I stay away from booze!
You say “a headache in der kup”,
(Where else would a headache end up?!)
I learned a remedy from my pa,
take four “Advil lo yada!”
I have a sister named Shulamit,
who really hates it when I vomit.
So I listen to my rov from shul,
who says to drink when your stomach is full!
I was asking about women in general, not about pregnant women. just regular women every day, whose husbands follow waiting six hrs. btw the thing of not waiting at all just birchas hamazon and kinuach hadacha is brought in the SA i think its from a tosfos?
There is no difference between men and women for this halacha. The fact that the leniency is mentioned regarding someone who is a new, expecting, or nursing mother is a proof that it does not apply to a regular woman, who has to wait just as long as a man.
What did Ed tie?
I should clarify that, as per the teshuva I quoted (the edit was a removal of a link to that teshuva), there are only grounds to be lenient in case of need; it’s not a “blanket heter”. Sefardim might also keep the six hours more stringently than Ashkenazim.
Don’t get shikur with your shnapps;
You’ll get in trouble with the cops,
At the Purim Seuda you’ll be fine,
if you just stick with dry wine!
There is a mitzvah livsumei;
not at night, only by day.
Although you’re chayav to get shikur,
some hold you cannot do it with liquor!
Use your seichel, use your brain,
Even if you’re dressed like Barack Hussein.
Don’t think that it is no big deal,
Don’t get yourself behind the wheel!
If a kid wants to drink should you let him,
have some booze or even Kedem?
If you give him a glass or even a quarter,
Don’t let Ctrl Alt Del know, he’s a mandatory reporter!
So a freilichen Purim to one and all,
as we celebrate Haman’s downfall.
and the great event which did ensue,
The Yidden did kiy’mu v’kiblu!
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princess, i agree with you totally
The beginning of Princess123’s post said “its really not ok.“
did you take your wives along with you?
Wow, popa, you work fast!
Just that if they tell you that 2+3=5 then you can believe them.
Why would you need them to tell you that? 🙂
[em]and meeting for minyan twice aday?[/em]
tefilas arvis rishus?
How about mincha before shkiah and ma’ariv after with a seder in between?
BTW, it’s spelled A H E M.
(Actually to italicize, like this:
<em>and meeting for minyan twice aday?
tefilas arvis rishus? </em>)nusach? 🙂
A bovine from Salt Lake City
small miracles
a little bigger
anxious patient
civil war
oxymoron
How about redundancies?
Good Yom Tov
Mayim Acharonim Vasser
ATM Machine
repetitively redundant
Level of service should certainly be a factor. Ever shop in a 7-11 or other store open to all hours of the night? ever buy something at a rest area on the highway? The prices are higher because they are extending a level of service that others do not and incur a cost in passing along that service as well.
100% correct. A rest stop would have an additional factor; it’s a different market (unless there were two stores in the same rest area competing with each other).
In the example given, Marshall’s may actually be violating the rules against *under*charging.
The rules of under”charging” (underpaying) apply to a buyer, not a seller. In this case, a store like Marshall’s is certainly aware that they are selling below retail, so there would be no problem buying from a closeout store.
The Marshalls example is not valid. Sorry.
Grandmaster only quoted part of my original post; in the sentence before “In addition…”, I noted that Marshalls sells closeouts.
However, it bears (pardon the pun) further explanation. If a particular item is widely available at a closeout price, and a store carries it at full price, it might still be ona’ah, despite the fact that the owner might be taking a loss. However, going to a regular shoe store, where you’re likely to find what you need, is a different shopping experience than going to Marshalls, which is more “hit and miss”. A store owner, I think, has a right to charge more for a particular item if he provides a better selection; it’s the same idea as better service.
This from Money – The Bottom Line (Rabbi Kaufman):
Market price for the identical object will vary from store to
store due to such factors as service, store ambiance, and
knowledgeable sales staff [50].
50. Pischei Choshen 4:10:(11 ).
As far as me not knowing the halacha in overcharging. I admit I never learnt those Halachos, and since it doesn’t pertain to me
The halachos of ona’ah apply not only to a seller, but also to a buyer, so you should learn at least the basics.
Very funny!
Some of these were actually put on after these mistakes were made, or after a lawsuit (I’m thinking pet drying, hot beverages.)
Some were clearly intended to be humorous – muffin, ketchup.
Aries2756,
Although you are correct, some doctors (and mostly, their office staff) do not properly take their patients’ anxiety into consideration. I once spent hours in an emergency room waiting for a very relaxed and underwhelmed staff to get around to doing their job.
I’m becoming a Moron.
We’ve noticed 🙂
I’m becoming a Mormon.
Popa, you have a unique opportunity to make a serious dent in the shidduch crisis.
I asked this particular shaila once when it was relevant to me. The example of the shoe store is analogous to my situation, so I’ll use it.
Marshall’s sells the shoes off the shelf; the customer fits himself and pays for it. The typical “heimish” shoe store has a professional fitter who dedicates time and expertise to helping the customer decide what to buy based on his particular needs, and will advise as to quality, comfort, and durability, and make sure the shoe fits properly.. He can therefore charge more.
On the other hand, if there are two competing grocery stores, one cannot knowingly charge more than the other on the same package of cookies. they could charge more if the store is upper scale, with nicer decor, valet parking, etc., because the entire shopping experience is taken into consideration.
As far as your point regarding subjectivity, a dayan would have to decide. Very possibly, an industry which is very service oriented is much less subject to ona’ah than one which is product oriented, and the line differentiating between them can sometimes be blurry.
To illustrate a clear cut case which I think anyone would agree to, I don’t think anyone would doubt that a full service gas station can charge more than a self-serve station.
Remember when the limerick thread thrived?
We thought, though, it had not survived.
But sc and Shticky
have made this thread “sticky”,
it’s so nice to see it revived!
The Sephardim topic’s now closed,
and this one, so underexposed,
to our great dread,
seemed to be dead,
but actually only had dozed.
Thanks, 80.