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the current vaccines are no better than shots in the dark.
No, they’ve been studied extensively and found to be both safe and effective.
The only response to that will be to claim that it’s all a huge conspiracy theory.
It’s as if Tobacco Industry got CDC to FORCE everyone to Smoke Cigarettes so it would be impossible to do a Smoker vs Non-Smoker Study!!!
That would be immoral.
So would not having people vax to do a study.
There might be other factors on why children whose parents decided to vaccinate them scored better.
Right. Genetics.
There are studies comparing cognitive test scores that were done in the Philippines. Vaccinated children scored better.
There might be a genetic factor.
2. The Rosh yeshiva asks a Talmud for a chosen mishpat and orach chaim. Talmud brings them over, the Rosh yeshiva stacks them on the floor, steps on them to reach a sefer on a high shelf.
Ridiculous, and pure motzi shem ra.
there are a number of other hatzolahs that collect from insurance and have been doing this for a very long time.
Do they send bills to the patients?
The answer is no.
Is there a scientific study on this?
Let’s hope they find a vaccine for them
I don’t think it was so unreasonable to refuse since they had a sefer Torah and it was only a matter of rolling it.
DY: Hatzalah world do what is medically prudent rather than follow financial incentives; even if they’re not paid at all for the call. Just as now.
They should, but we’re dealing with human beings here.
I heard from Hatzolah guys that if they take insurance then they have to provide care to everyone who calls them.
Wait, don’t they anyway do that?
My only solution to this was to have 2 companies and depends on the situation that’s the one that responds but it can get tricky
“It can get tricky” is an understatement. It would unquestionably affect response time and overall efficiency.
What it comes down to is that on several levels, accepting insurance is likely to have a negative affect on Hatzola’s effectiveness, as well as increase the likelihood of a chillul Hashem occurring.
In that case, insurance will not compensate for the transport to the distant facility and will only pay the cost of s shorter transport.
In which case, there becomes an incentive to transport to the closer facility.
if done properly there shouldnt an issue with fraud.
Shouldn’t be, maybe, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be.
Is it even legal to bill only insurance companies but not patients?
If Hatzalah bills insurance, Hatzalah must send the patient who Hatzalah took to the hospital a bill in the mail for co-pay amount set by the insurance policy?
Someone more knowledgeable can answer definitively, but I would imagine that not to charge anybody but those with insurance would be fraud.
I can think of a few arguments against billing insurance and Medicaid.
1) By taking insurance money, particularly government (Medicaid) funds, they are opening themselves up to investigations and charges of fraud. I’m sure some will respond that they should simply follow all regulations and there won’t be a problem, but some of the regulations can be confusing and unintentionally violated, plus, a motivated prosecutor can cause trouble even when everything is legitimate. There are several such cases, some more famous than others.
2) We don’t want insurance companies or the government having any say in how care is provided.
3) You have to bill everyone. Aside from the legal issues of only collecting from insurance but not from individuals, people will hesitate to call Hatzala if they know they’ll be getting billed. Theoretically, it shouldn’t make a difference, but practically it will.
I’ve seen a lightbulb work.
I’ve never seen a cotwatch.
Are yo u sure you arent secretly provax just trying to make the anti vax group look silly?
The thought occurred to me as well.
Dr. Scheibner was the winner of the ’97 “Bent Spoon Award”.
So I propose that the school reframe the whole conversation by saying all children are welcome — but if you send them to us we will vaccinate them.
The rabbonim claiming the schools are denying the children chinuch are anti vax. This won’t help.
Imagine saying “we’ll accept your child, but first we’ll give him 40 lashes”.
That’s how the anti-vaxxers view it.
So as rhetoric, ok, nice thread. If you mean it seriously, no dice.
As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.
Actually, since Doomsday believes correlation=causation, it proves that vaccines prevent crib death.
I agree with Syag.
Proof that we really are in a state of geulah!
After having seen Doomsday get caught with so many lies, I no longer think it’s even worth anyone’s time to refute any further ones.
It certainly may. It is well-established law that the government does indeed have such powers.
Jacobson v. Massachusetts?
What makes this worth discussion is that it is commonplace for yeshivos to throw kids out impulsively.
How do you know that it’s impulsively? Unless you’re in chinuch, which would be a major shocker considering how you constantly bash mechanchim.
This is essentially what is happening, except instead of the schools vaccinating the kids, they encourage the parents to bring them to an accredited physician to vaccinate them.
In other words, it’s already the parents’ fault.
I assume this is Milhouse’s point…
(Avoid bracha acharona shailos by eating them in different sittings)
Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach is quoted as giving a reason for the minhag of eating sufganiyot that the bracha acharona includes the words “v’al heichalecha”.