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If private schools don’t offer enough time studying secular subjects
Who defines “enough”?
Why is more success than public schools not good enough to get less than 10% of the funding per student than the public schools get?
I didn’t say they were NOT valid.
That’s because you’re a liar, but in fact they’re not valid, so they don’t count.
Ubiquitin challenged you to pick any one of those 157 and he will show why they don’t in fact demonstrate a link. What are you afraid of? Being shown again to be a liar? You’ve shown that about 157 times, what’s one more?
Again, not discussing whether they are valid or not – just that they exist, lots of them!
Why should anyone care if there are “studies” which don’t legitimately show anything?
She hasn’t said anything new for the past 800 posts!
I think she’s managed to sneak in a bunch more lies. She doesn’t only lie on December 2nd, you know.
Psychology Today (PRO VAX Magazine): “In 1970 1 in 10,000 was diagnosed with Autism”
In the 1960s children got only FOUR Vaccines: Measles, Smallpox, DPT and Polio.
Around 1990 CDC began TRIPLING and then QUADRUPLING the number of Vaccines given.
And the Autism Rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:50Wait, why was the ratio so low if they were all vaxxed back then? According to you, there’s vaxxed and unvaxxed and nothing in between.
Also, you didn’t answer my point.
Why are the anti-vaxxers the only ones yelling?
To try and drown out the logic, sensible thinking, and legitimate scientific information the pro vaxxers are presenting.
If there a 100% UNVACCINATED Child who got AUTISM, that would have made
Headlines.Another lie.
Even antivaxxers don’t deny that unvaccinated children can get autism, they just made up that vaccines cause it to be more common.
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she isn’t feeling so well, she came down with the measlesRefuah sheleimah
So we see from here, that not sleeping is not being mevatel a deorysa, the only thing that there is, is a chiyuv, if you don’t have a hetter.
Whatever, semantics for the point of this discussion, the point is it’s a violation of halacha, just like eating in the house.
I found this sefer, where it says that the custom in Egypt was to be lenient about sleeping in a Sukkah, because the air is foul and there’s a concern that he may get cold.
But the air isn’t foul in Crown Heights, and nobody ever claimed that’s the heter!
Please stop bringing totally irrelevant “rayos” and defenses.
Can you source that the Petur of Tashvu KeEin Taduru only applies when you can’t eat/drink/sleep?
You are totally missing my point. I’m not denying that there’s a p’tur of mitztaer, I’m saying:
1) There’s something wrong with a form of supposed avodas Hashem which leads to unnecessary tza’ar to patter from a mitzvah
2) Most people not sleeping in the sukkah aren’t actually having this tza’ar.I don’t have a fully developed source which would specifically exclude psychological tza’ar from the din of mitztaer in sukkah, but neither do you have a source to include it.
Either way, that’s was never my argument, even if I grant it, my other arguments stand.
What’s the difference between propensity and likelihood?
Thoughts?
You must be a Yankees fan.
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Ubiquitin, how’s machla doing?
Keej123, you are spouting absolute nonsense.
Your whole issue with the way the study calculates the ratios is based on an assumption that MMR causes autism. The study is designed to test that assumption so obviously doesn’t assume it as a given.
Absolute nonsense.
NCB, he’s the only Democrat in the Senate who won’t chair a committee or subcommittee.
Chossid:
You’re making (at least) two big mistakes.
1) If someone will sleep, it’s a chiyuv to do so in the sukkah.
The Lubavicher “minhag” is to sleep outside of the sukkah.
2) The R’ma is specifically talking about when/where it’s cold, or married men.
Lubavicher bochurim sleep in the house even when it’s nice outside.
A n attached house that doesn’t have a proper garage to pull into, or a car port with less than 5 foot easement and the actual port 8.5 feet wide x 18 feet deep is illegal. In addition there are other rules. So just drive around and see for yourself!
Regulations have changed, and some are legally grandfathered in.
Businesses that do not use their driveways at night still prohibit parking there with “24-hour” signs. This is clearly dishonest.
No it’s not.
1. The study would have to be RANDOM who gets MMR and who does not. If Parents decide (as in this study) Healthy Normal children more likely to get MMR and children showing SIGNS OF AUTISM more likely NOT to get MMR.
More likely to skip MMR than other vaccines? Don’t you hold all vaccines cause autism?
I’m sorry, I miswrote. I meant it would be like comparing smokers who eat apples vs. non smoker who don’t.
If the outcomes were the same, I’d be pretty confident that smoking is okay.
Either way, do you admit that MMR doesn’t cause autism in kids who have had other vaccines?
It would actually be quite odd if a fourth pack a day didn’t have a negative affect.
Either way, it’s a poor analogy, because a fourth pack is more if the same, but vaccines are different from each other.
It would be like comparing smokers who also eat apples to smokers who don’t.
You made those numbers up.
Ignored are the hundreds of רבן בית של תינוקות who were summarily expelled from yeshivos
with no arrangements made to guarantee their chinuch.
Ignored are the hundreds of abused children who crying because they are made to feel like
they did something wrong when in fact their parents have made the decision that these children
cannot tolerate vaccines.
Ignored are the dozens of cases of serious shalom bayis issues where one spouse has seen
vaccine damage in some of their children, whilst the other spouse cannot bear to see the children
home, day after day.
Ignored are the cries from Jewish mothers who each have a horror story to relate as to why
they cannot vaccinate their children, yet they are being denied basic human rights that even children
who act most inappropriately are not treated that way.
Ignored are the feuds when relatives disinvite friends and family to simchos because they are
“untouchables”.
Ignored are kimpatorins who have many children home because they were hounded from
school and no siblings can offer to watch these “contaminated” children. Ignored are parents who
have left their jobs because they must now stay home to babysit their children.
Ignored is all civility.
Ignored is basic mentchlechkait.
All because “We believe in universal vaccination”.
Ignored.The fault lays squarely at the feet of the stubborn parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.
The rate of the no-MMR group is based on a random criteria of not getting MMR
According to you it’s not random, because not getting MMR should have a lower autism rate.
In a real Scientific Study it is RANDOMIZED which subjects get MMR and which do not. When parents select which children do not get MMR, it is the children who are showing signs of Autism who do not get MMR
As mentioned numerous times, you can’t choose random children to not vaccinate. It’s unethical.
You can’t have it both ways. You demand retrospective studies, then complain about the inherent flaws in a retrospective study.
These are scientific studies made by professionals. I’m sure they control for these biases as best as possible, and, for example, exclude autistic children who didn’t get vaccinated because there were already signs of autism before they were to receive their immunization.
Yes
In short, why are the no-MMR group and Yes-MMR group producing Autism at an equal rate?
Because MMR doesn’t cause autism.
Something is causing Autism – I don’t know what. THAT is a risk for everyone. I labeled it “Regular Autism”. What would you like to call it?
Autism. Whether the subject had an MMR vaccine or not.
By labeling some as “regular autism” and some as “MMR autism” you are making an assumption that there’s either a difference in the condition in MMR vaccinated subjects and those without MMR, or that MMR is a cause. Neither are proven, and that’s precisely what the study is trying to determine.
SHY, most of your friends are meshichists?
Regular non-MMR Autism
What is that? Did you make it up?
What is a risk ratio? What risk are you referring to?
Doomsday:
Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa
Ines Kristensen, physician, Peter Aaby, anthropologist, and Henrik Jensen, statistician8) The follow-up study concluded that vaccination actually leads to lower mortality.
For some reason, bais hillel didn’t mention that.
Am I crazy?
Sorry, not enough data.
If group B consisted of only 1000 children, and 10 were autistic, what would you conclude from that study?
That sock color causes autism
Neither socks, or MMR status is an indicator of the actual risk.
Because the risk has nothing to do with either one, right?
We don’t know who’s at risk more than others.
So they compared those with an alleged risk factor with those who don’t have that alleged risk factor and the results indicated that the alleged risk factor didn’t make a significant difference.
Make sense?
How was it calculated unfairly?
You’re basically saying that this study proves nothing on either way…
No I’m not.
I’m saying you twisted the results by leaving out numbers.
The results indicate no significant difference in rate of autism between those who received the MMR vaccine and those who didn’t (subject to the limitations inherent in a retrospective study).
isn’t the whole discussion about whether the chassidim strayed or not?
No
There is no real dialog or intelligent discussion here on the subject of vaccines, but who can come up with a better insult towards the opposing view.
You mean like calling all in favor of vaccines liars multiple times?
I must have missed where you said “Shame on you” to Doomsday for that.
If you’re (really) having a panic attack every time you see a Sukkah, I could see a hetter to not eat in a sukkah.
If that panic attack is caused by your version of “chassidus”, you need to start grasping that there’s something seriously wrong with “chassidus” which prevents you from doing mitzvos rather than enhancing your avodas Hashem, which is obviously what genuine chassidus is about.
Do you know how much the Rebbe spoke about women waering shietuls?
Sure, because he knew, first hand, that wearing a different kind of covering often leaves the hair partially uncovered. In the famous picture of her, which is on the official Chabad website, she’s not wearing a sheitel. Defending her by saying, “Do you know how much the Rebbe spoke about women waering shietuls?” is really odd when she clearly didn’t (always) wear one.
And btw, I don’t only know this from the internet, but that’s the only evidence I can show you.
you know very well it’s not from this online “evidence” thing that you should be getting the truth. from
I’ve seen pictures. Including on chabad . org.
Who developed “Factor Z” Autism = 68 children
From group B
+ 792 from Group A
= 860and its good enough for (some of) my mashpiim
You should find new mashpiim.
They all look pretty Tzniyus to me.
There’s online evidence that she didn’t cover her hair k’halacha, and I’ve heard that she wore pants.
That’s an impressive one liner that explains how my post was wrong. Great many sources you brought. I hope you never say that Donald trump directs the affairs of America because according to you, it’s avoda zara.
Because you wrote a fairly long post which totally didn’t address the tayna.
If someone would say Moshe Rabeinu runs the world it would also be a”z.
It’s Motzaei Shabbos.
have had Rabbanim tell me to write to the Rebbe on certain issues.
Just to be clear, that’s not the type of rav you should be asking. You should ask someone normal.