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You’re making me very self conscious.
Tuck in your shirt
The cost / benefit ratio is off the charts astronomical cost for negligible to no gain.
In s speech given in 2009 (I believe), Senator Shumer boasted of a 360 mile barrier constructed as part of comprehensive border control to prevent illegal immigration.
He didn’t think it was money wasted then…
As lowertuition11210 says, it’s an anti Trump thing. That’s all. The Democrats have all flipflopped on this, and frankly, they look really silly.
Yeah, and which kinds of cigars and wine are they having?
Lubavitchers actually do eat in the Sukkah on Smini Atzeres.
See, we found something in common.
Next you’re gonna tell me that you eat matzah on Pesach…
Now, every time it rains I can just eat inside.
Yes, you can follow the Shulchan Aruch at last, also to sleep in the sukkah, and even to eat in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres! You’re perfectly welcome to be makpid on the water, though.
Good job. You got me.
Lol, SHY.
Can’t wait for Succos!
An air conditioner
If the Tzaar is enough to move you out of your house, you’re Lechatchila allowed to move out of the Sukkah.
But you aren’t really mitztaer. It’s a fraud.
So when he told us about the whole Makifin Debinah and gave us Tzar, he didn’t cause us to lose out on fulfilling the Mitzvah of living in a Sukkah (another Mashal – if I keep you up all night, was I mevatel your Mitzvah of living in a Sukkah?)
It’s more like he set up a hose on the schach to make it rain, or stole your blankets, etc.
Also, if “Makifin Debinah” is a real cause for p’tur, and Hashem didn’t want us to sleep in the sukkah, he wouldn’t have given us that part of the mitzvah. It’s like you guys are reading the Chumash and/or Shulchan Aruch upside down. It’s a perversion of the Torah.
Also, you’re not really mitztaer. It’s a fraud.
But if you look in the Eishel Avraham of Butchach (to 339:3), he doesn’t say that we dance and clap for Tosfos’ reason. He says that we dance and sing on Shabbos because of Simchas Shabbos, and it’s Mashma from him that we’d be allowed to dance and clap even in the Gemara’s time (when we were Baki in making a Kli Shir). I’m almost positive the Minchas Elazar says the same thing.
I assume they mean that we can rely on Tosafos b’makom mitzvah, but if that’s what they mean, they mean the gezeirah never included that (I think Yalkut Yosef says that). They certainly don’t hold you can be mechallel Shabbos for Simchas Shabbos.
Either way, it fits with the normal klalei hp’sak. Not sleeping in the sukkah clearly doesn’t.
NCB, the fact that that’s true doesn’t change the metzius that the Modern Orthodox who do keep halacha (kashrus, not watching movies, covering hair, etc.) take offense at being lumped together.
Would Rag Chaim Kanievsky go on a cruise? There’s the answer.
He wouldn’t post on YWN either.
Go out with girls who come from MO homes/schools but also became frummer in seminary,
Bingo
I actually thought it was, just not the way you intended.
From your wording you seem to be disagreeing with my “tayna”, yet in the end it doesn’t seem so. Were you perhaps a little unclear in replying to a quote, or did I just get it wrong?
Your tayna was that sleeping in the house doesn’t enhance the mitzvah of sleeping in the sukkah. If I understood username correctly, it somehow enhances the mitzvah of תשבו because he he appreciates the sukkah more when he eats there. So it is more analogous to his misunderstanding of the clapping issue than you gave him credit for.
Nevertheless, it still doesn’t make sense, and isn’t analogous to the clapping issue, which isn’t about being mechallel Shabbos (ch”v) to enhance Shabbos at all.
(Disclosure: I don’t really know the extent of the issur of clapping on Shabbos, and I don’t know the heter for doing so by chassidim. So I’ll just take username’s explanation as is and deal with it as if it’s correct.)
It’s not. Tosafos says the gezeirah doesn’t apply when we don’t know how to fix instruments.
If it were a mitzvah to sleep during Sukkos, then you could say that sleeping outside the sukkah to enhance the mitzvah of sleeping is similar to clapping on Shabbos to enhance the Shabbos. But the mitzvah is sleeping IN the sukkah, and sleeping OUT of the sukkah can’t enhance that.
The mitzvah of eating in the sukkah is the same mitzvah as sleeping in the sukkah. תשבו. So your tayna isn’t a good one. The problem is you’re chayav to sleep in the sukkah, and you can’t make your own cheshbonos.
I think I’ve pointed this out before, but if I haven’t, I’ll say it now. If a person can sleep soundly in a Sukkah, he absolutely has a Chiyuv to sleep in a Sukkah. And I’m almost positive that the Rebbe said the same in that Sicha.
Not an answer to the question about whether or not l’maaseh you (or most Lubavichers) actually sleep in the sukkah.
Another similar Sevarah is the clapping on Shabbos.
Not similar in the slightest. One is a chiyuv aseh, one is a gezeira d’rabbonon (shema y’saken klei shir). Those who are meikil on clapping base it on a Tosafos that the gezeirah doesn’t apply when we don’t know how to be m’saken klei shir.
But let me ask you like this. A person has a mania that the Sukkah’s caving in on him. Would he be Chayav in Sukkah?
Why do I keep repeating that that’s not my question?
To answer that question, maybe he is pattur, but he needs a psychologist. If someone’s service of Hashem would make him require a psychologist, he’s doing something wrong. That makes for a much better analogy, and that’s my other question, still unanswered: how could legitimate avodas Hashem lead to not performing a mitzvah?
And as to your question of why we’d want to be lenient
That’s not my question. I get it that you’re not trying to find an excuse to be lazy.
early Chabad Chassidim (as well as some others) didn’t sleep in a Sukkah in order for them to have a stronger “feel” for a Sukkah.
Wait, no mitztaer? Stam making your own cheshbonos and not doing what the Ribono Shel Olam asked you to? What happened to the mitztaer excuse?
(and since you asked me why I am lenient here, I, personally, think that this quote was said by the Mitteler Rebbe)
So you are “lenient” (I assume that means you don’t sleep in the sukkah). And not because of mitztaer, but rather because of a twisted version of Yiddishkeit in which we’re free to do whatever makes us feel better even if it means not doing a mitzvah which is a chiyuv. That’s precisely the problem.
(In case you think I ch”v said something negative about the Mitteler Rebbe, let me clarify that I think it’s a bubba meisa).
Seems pretty shady to me.
Can anyone tell me about them, based on the sem?
Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.
Will they be outgoing or nebby?
Some might be outgoing, some introverted. You probably shouldn’t think of an introverted girl as nebby.
Also, despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.Are they friendly like out-of-towners or cliquey?
Probably some of each. Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.
Will they be serious learners?
Probably some, not all. Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.
Will they actually be learning the material or memorizing?
Probably some of each. Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same. Anyhow, who cares? Serve them some good cholent and don’t worry about their academics.
What about chesed – do they have a chesed day?
It’s your chessed day, since you’re the host.
What about wearing Gap sweatshirts and flats?
Probably not on Shabbos
Will they look at me if I speak to them?
I guess it depends how creepy you are. The fact that you’re asking these questions isn’t a good sign.
Will they go to shule?
Probably some will and some won’t. Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.
Help with the dishes? What about serving?
It’s your chessed day, not theirs.
do they expect only Badatz hechshirim?
Probably some do and some don’t. Despite being in the same seminary, they’re probably not all the same.
No, b”H, so far nobody’s been arrested for fraud. Be”H it should stay that way.
Who do you want them to do a study for, you? You won’t be satisfied no matter what the results are.
Themselves? They have dozens of studies which according to science are reliable.
I must have said a dozen times a RETROSPECTIVE study – nothing unethical there.
Then it won’t be randomized
it will certainly show who the Rebbe thought he was.
Is there a question?
TT,
Was that supposed to be complimentary to the Rebbe?That’s why I feel like I’m going around in circles.
Because you’re not answering the questions!
You didn’t address my first question at all.
You avoided my second question by questioning the assumption it was based on without actually denying it.
You responded to RSo’s question without addressing his point. He asked how the p’tur can come from the mitzvah itself, and you answered with blankets.
If you don’t want to go in circles, answer the questions.
Who says that we don’t?
Any Lubavicher I’ve asked.
Do you?
And honestly, there’s no honest way someone could look at the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s Sichos over all the years and say “This is someone who disregards Torah, who doesn’t care about Mitzvos, who cancels anything that inconveniences him”.
I don’t recall anyone claiming that he cancelled succah because it’s inconvenient, just that it’s krum.
I don’t find a point in going around in circles. Have you found a source that:
1. Emotional Tzaar isn’t Tzaar. and
2. Tzaar has to be that strong that he will not be able to do the act.The fact that you continue to ask these questions show that you continue to miss the point.
The answer to those two questions is: who cares? I’ll grant you both (although the first is debatable) but that doesn’t address the point.
Now please answer my questions:
1) Don’t you think there’s something wrong with a version of Yiddishkeit which causes one to be unable to do a mitzvah?
2) Why do all the Lubavichers not sleep in the succah when probably none of them actually feel this tza’ar?
I just want to check that the time is not worthless, that’s all.
Not wortless at all.
There is virtually ZERO deaths from Mumps and Measles (Rubella) in First World Countries!
I’ll give you three guesses why (the first two don’t count).
I’ll even give you a hint. It rhymes with “Maxine’s”.
For the record, I do think the reason to do mitzvos issue is legit, but not the schar v’onesh.
One of my sources that it’s assur:
No, microwaving is not bishul. Even if a nochri cooks a gourmet meal in a microwave, from scratch, and it’s completely fit to serve at a state dinner, there is no issue whatsoever of bishulei nochrim.
Source?
YOU, Yourself should! (DO THE STUDY.)
Why not the CDC? And why isn’t the fact that anti-vaxxers are sold selected a confounding factor?
For some reason it seems that when some posters here realize that their tayinos on Lubavitche are not really true (for example reason to do mitzvos)
Who decided that wasn’t a legitimate tayna? It is.
I have an idea. If those who work for the Israeli government want the tefilos of the chareidim, they should be עוסק בצרכי צבור באמונה. Then they will be included in the tefilah we say every week.
Joseph, do you object to asking Hashem to bestow wisdom on those in power?
If those in power have goals we don’t want them to achieve, it doesn’t make sense to pray for them to have wisdom.
Iacisrmma, in my experience “hatzlacha” means “don’t expect any help from me”.
You’re hanging out with the wrong people.
That is an illogical statement. There are many things they don’t say. They never said a yeshiva boy is who not learning, who is just hanging out, should not go to the Army.
I guess you’ve never heard of maaseh rav.
That analogy is both inapt and untrue.
I am sorry, the absent of a pasak is not a pasak,
You’re being silly. Do the gedolim say it or not? If they don’t, that is a p’sak.
To argue the point that because you learn Torah, Hakoras Hatov should not be shown is apikoresus!
Straw man. Nobody said that.
that the Israeli government is forcing yeshiva bochurim in the army is pure ignorant lies and sheker.
Not just bochurim, girls as well. Don’t believe the propoganda otherwise. Why do you think they want quotas? If anyone who is in yeshiva can get an exemption, how are quotas relevant?
The whole idea of exemptions for yeshiva bochurim has been and continues to be under attack.
The only limud zchus is that they feel that they’re in a big battle still against haskolah/Zionism
Assuming that is the reason (or for that matter if it isn’t, or if it’s one of several), the fact is that the gedolim aren’t saying it. In no way is it a stain on us for following them.
Maybe it’s embarrasing to you because you don’t understand it it or can’t explain it, but that’s your issue, not an issue with the approach of the gedolim or those following them.
And yes, I refuse to believe you when you state gedolim are against this premise of the Torah. I ask you name one gadol that clearly states we do not need to follow it.
Of course no gedolim argue on derech eretz kodmoh laTorah.
Of course no gedolim argue on the Navi.
Yet, they don’t say the משברך and rarely send talmidim (or anyone who asks) to the army. With or without a written teshuvah, those are clear and obvious facts.
The only logical conclusion is that they hold that derech eretz does not mean to go to the army or say that specific tefilah.
You are in fact arguing on them if you think we should be going to the army or saying that tefilah or that not doing do is a lack of derech eretz.
Attacking the Source is what those who cannot refute whine
How many times have you called provaxxers, the CDC, and every other medical organization, including all of the journals which have published studies showing the safety of vaccines, LIARS and FRAUDS?
Now you suddenly say attacking the source means you can’t refute them (even though your “sources” have been refuted numerous times)?
He has $700,00 – $1.7Million annual lost profit for not following the vaccine schedule
The guy probably makes millions by being an antivax specialist.
Zionist do not want chardiemm to join the army.
False
yeshivish charadim refuses common decency of hakaros hatov and backs it up with Torah
Perhaps that’s a good summary of how the haters twist and frame it, but it’s not the reality.
I agree with NCB. There are enough legitimate issues with Chabad (nowadays) that we don’t need to nitpick on what are at most slight differences in priorities, and might just be semantics.
Because statistically, car accidents are much more common than airplane accidents.
Of course, because there are so many more car trips than plane trips. That doesn’t make flying safer.
Torah doesn’t object to an army in any era.
Wow, talk about blanket statements containing sheker…