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Are you saying I should cast my vote on the basis of someone’s ethnicity?
No.
He’s asking (not saying) whether it’s assur to vote for someone who is an oved avodah zarah (regardless of ethnicity).
I think a subset of available men (full-time learners) are more prized culturally, so a larger population of women are trying to be matched with a smaller population of men from the outset.
That would partially shift the disparity to one subset, and presumably help a different subset. It wouldn’t change the overall numbers.
And the potential for a man to be matched decreases with age more slowly than for a woman.
Again, that doesn’t change the numbers, it just makes it even worse because it increases the age gap, and makes it even harder for women in a certain age group.
The population growth rates being thrown around here, however, are inflated by an order of magnitude
What do you think it really is?
and it is highly unlikely that a 2-3 year marriage age gap within this growth regime alone is the primary reason men get significantly more shidduch opportunities than women.
I guess that depends what the growth rate is…
Also, if older men frequently marry younger women, as you implied, that would make the gap even higher.
You Hit the bail on the head.
I think you and Ari are addressing a different shidduch crisis than some others in this thread.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/defining-the-shidduch-crisis
In other words, you agree that it will create a disparity in the number of available boys vs. girls, just that it might not reach “crisis” levels? Okay, I’ll buy that.
Assuming the “crisis” is attributable to growth rate alone
Not alone, combined with age gap.
I don’t think you’re actually arguing, I think he didn’t mean “proportionally” the way you think he did.
There were many gedolim who disagreed with Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l on many things. This is one of them.
You set up 50 boys and 60 girls as an illustration of the shidduch crisis, and then lectured Syag that she doesn’t understand basic statistics? Lolol. The typical age gap in marriage is not 40 years.
Are those 110 singles in the room the age at which they and their friends are starting shidduchim, or are most of their peers already married?
Sure an age gap in marriage in an increasing population is one potential factor at play, but I seriously doubt that it is anywhere near the primary driver for the larger number of single women.
Why wouldn’t it be? What would be a bigger factor?
The statute seems self contradictory. It’s actually a matter of debate precisely how to apply it.
and then Hashem with me help all of us directly
I hope that was a typo
GH, please don’t put words in my mouth.
Thank you.
That’s a load of bunk.
You don’t think we need more lounges?
There’s a very simple way to solve the shidduch crisis. Create venues for Boys & Girls to meet. Until we put “nature” back into the picture the crisis will never be solved.
Venues? You mean like lounges?
I need a good book for a Heimishe minded business start up plan.
How does a heimishe minded business differ from a non heimishe minded business?
And how about the singles in their 30’s and 40’s?
If they’re under stress and pressure, why is it mindless to want to find a solution?
GH, no rachamanus for singles who can’t find a shidduch?
I think lowertuition11210 kind of ended the debate…
Worrying about it now is totally useless. Have some chocolate instead.
Too much chocolate is what caused the shidduch crisis in the first place.
I somehow don’t think a baas yisroel will confront a prosecutor in beis din shel maalah charged with learning talmud.
Whether or not it’s assur doesn’t depend on your own boich sevaros.
It’s just an idiom, Feter Binyomin.
Totally borrowed from avodah zarah.
when they ask you why , you’ll know you’re nearing end of the the trial.. It’ll be the last question.
That’s a good reason to do an aveirah…
Why are you asking here?
Do you have a better place to troll?
He’s not any more unhinged than he was the day he announced he was running.
Is that because the crisis was resolved?
Yes. Therefore, the rest is a moot point.
How we deal with Christians is not a proof that hilchos avoida zara don’t apply today.
Of course hilchos a”z applies today, the question is, where does voting for a candidate who happens to be an oveid a”z fit in?
I find myself laughing sometimes but can’t put my finger on any specific reasons why.
I think that’s true of humor in general. It’s hard to define what makes something funny.
b) people who vote based only of the issue of Yeshiva funding.
I thought the point was selling out values for a tangible benefit, yeshiva funding being an example.
A. Their chauffeurs are driving
B. Also bad. That’s not an excuse for this.
I think I’m this case it’s more probable if was actually using it as an extreme. And not as a straight troll.
I agree. It’s an exaggeration to make a point.
But seriously – what exactly is so wrong with this, other than the general issur of smoking that so many people seem to not agree with?
Yeshivos shouldn’t be promoting nivul birshus haTorah. It’s a crying shame that our society has deteriorated to the extent that this yeshiva (and at least one other that I know of) feels it can only successfully raise funds by appealing to the nefesh habehamis, but they need to resist the urge and not give their haskama to the rampant pursuit of extreme gashmius which has pervaded increasingly growing parts of frum society.
You’re making me very self conscious.
Tuck in your shirt
The cost / benefit ratio is off the charts astronomical cost for negligible to no gain.
In s speech given in 2009 (I believe), Senator Shumer boasted of a 360 mile barrier constructed as part of comprehensive border control to prevent illegal immigration.
He didn’t think it was money wasted then…
As lowertuition11210 says, it’s an anti Trump thing. That’s all. The Democrats have all flipflopped on this, and frankly, they look really silly.
Yeah, and which kinds of cigars and wine are they having?
Lubavitchers actually do eat in the Sukkah on Smini Atzeres.
See, we found something in common.
Next you’re gonna tell me that you eat matzah on Pesach…
Now, every time it rains I can just eat inside.
Yes, you can follow the Shulchan Aruch at last, also to sleep in the sukkah, and even to eat in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres! You’re perfectly welcome to be makpid on the water, though.
Good job. You got me.
Lol, SHY.
Can’t wait for Succos!
An air conditioner
If the Tzaar is enough to move you out of your house, you’re Lechatchila allowed to move out of the Sukkah.
But you aren’t really mitztaer. It’s a fraud.
So when he told us about the whole Makifin Debinah and gave us Tzar, he didn’t cause us to lose out on fulfilling the Mitzvah of living in a Sukkah (another Mashal – if I keep you up all night, was I mevatel your Mitzvah of living in a Sukkah?)
It’s more like he set up a hose on the schach to make it rain, or stole your blankets, etc.
Also, if “Makifin Debinah” is a real cause for p’tur, and Hashem didn’t want us to sleep in the sukkah, he wouldn’t have given us that part of the mitzvah. It’s like you guys are reading the Chumash and/or Shulchan Aruch upside down. It’s a perversion of the Torah.
Also, you’re not really mitztaer. It’s a fraud.
But if you look in the Eishel Avraham of Butchach (to 339:3), he doesn’t say that we dance and clap for Tosfos’ reason. He says that we dance and sing on Shabbos because of Simchas Shabbos, and it’s Mashma from him that we’d be allowed to dance and clap even in the Gemara’s time (when we were Baki in making a Kli Shir). I’m almost positive the Minchas Elazar says the same thing.
I assume they mean that we can rely on Tosafos b’makom mitzvah, but if that’s what they mean, they mean the gezeirah never included that (I think Yalkut Yosef says that). They certainly don’t hold you can be mechallel Shabbos for Simchas Shabbos.
Either way, it fits with the normal klalei hp’sak. Not sleeping in the sukkah clearly doesn’t.
NCB, the fact that that’s true doesn’t change the metzius that the Modern Orthodox who do keep halacha (kashrus, not watching movies, covering hair, etc.) take offense at being lumped together.
Would Rag Chaim Kanievsky go on a cruise? There’s the answer.
He wouldn’t post on YWN either.
Go out with girls who come from MO homes/schools but also became frummer in seminary,
Bingo
I actually thought it was, just not the way you intended.
From your wording you seem to be disagreeing with my “tayna”, yet in the end it doesn’t seem so. Were you perhaps a little unclear in replying to a quote, or did I just get it wrong?
Your tayna was that sleeping in the house doesn’t enhance the mitzvah of sleeping in the sukkah. If I understood username correctly, it somehow enhances the mitzvah of תשבו because he he appreciates the sukkah more when he eats there. So it is more analogous to his misunderstanding of the clapping issue than you gave him credit for.
Nevertheless, it still doesn’t make sense, and isn’t analogous to the clapping issue, which isn’t about being mechallel Shabbos (ch”v) to enhance Shabbos at all.
(Disclosure: I don’t really know the extent of the issur of clapping on Shabbos, and I don’t know the heter for doing so by chassidim. So I’ll just take username’s explanation as is and deal with it as if it’s correct.)
It’s not. Tosafos says the gezeirah doesn’t apply when we don’t know how to fix instruments.
If it were a mitzvah to sleep during Sukkos, then you could say that sleeping outside the sukkah to enhance the mitzvah of sleeping is similar to clapping on Shabbos to enhance the Shabbos. But the mitzvah is sleeping IN the sukkah, and sleeping OUT of the sukkah can’t enhance that.
The mitzvah of eating in the sukkah is the same mitzvah as sleeping in the sukkah. תשבו. So your tayna isn’t a good one. The problem is you’re chayav to sleep in the sukkah, and you can’t make your own cheshbonos.
I think I’ve pointed this out before, but if I haven’t, I’ll say it now. If a person can sleep soundly in a Sukkah, he absolutely has a Chiyuv to sleep in a Sukkah. And I’m almost positive that the Rebbe said the same in that Sicha.
Not an answer to the question about whether or not l’maaseh you (or most Lubavichers) actually sleep in the sukkah.
Another similar Sevarah is the clapping on Shabbos.
Not similar in the slightest. One is a chiyuv aseh, one is a gezeira d’rabbonon (shema y’saken klei shir). Those who are meikil on clapping base it on a Tosafos that the gezeirah doesn’t apply when we don’t know how to be m’saken klei shir.
But let me ask you like this. A person has a mania that the Sukkah’s caving in on him. Would he be Chayav in Sukkah?
Why do I keep repeating that that’s not my question?
To answer that question, maybe he is pattur, but he needs a psychologist. If someone’s service of Hashem would make him require a psychologist, he’s doing something wrong. That makes for a much better analogy, and that’s my other question, still unanswered: how could legitimate avodas Hashem lead to not performing a mitzvah?
And as to your question of why we’d want to be lenient
That’s not my question. I get it that you’re not trying to find an excuse to be lazy.
early Chabad Chassidim (as well as some others) didn’t sleep in a Sukkah in order for them to have a stronger “feel” for a Sukkah.
Wait, no mitztaer? Stam making your own cheshbonos and not doing what the Ribono Shel Olam asked you to? What happened to the mitztaer excuse?
(and since you asked me why I am lenient here, I, personally, think that this quote was said by the Mitteler Rebbe)
So you are “lenient” (I assume that means you don’t sleep in the sukkah). And not because of mitztaer, but rather because of a twisted version of Yiddishkeit in which we’re free to do whatever makes us feel better even if it means not doing a mitzvah which is a chiyuv. That’s precisely the problem.
(In case you think I ch”v said something negative about the Mitteler Rebbe, let me clarify that I think it’s a bubba meisa).
Seems pretty shady to me.