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The 5 towns is not in Brooklyn

Oh, I totally misunderstood this thread.

I thought the 5 Towns were Boro Park, Kensington, Flatbush, Williamsburg, and Bensonhurst.

How come all orthodox religious Jewish boys are in Shidduchim by 21.

Not all are.

They don`t know of this Rabainu Yonah?

Probably not. Maybe you should take out ads informing the tzibur.

Libbi:

There is a certain Goyishkeit implanted in American people that a boy is not mature until he is 23. When Chazal say & Halacha Paskens that a Bachur should get married younger, it means that he is mature at a much younger age.

This is subject to change as the generations get weaker. See Rabbeinu Yonah quoted by Pischei Teshuvah at the beginning of Even Ho’ezer.

Joseph:

I’m not sure what religion some of the posters here are from, but in my religion we know Shemona Esrei L’Chuppa.

The same religion as Rabbeinu Yonah. It’s called Judaism. What’s yours called?

There is a certain Goyishkeit implanted in American people that a boy is not mature until he is 23.

Why do you assume this is a boy?

We ‘ll come up with something between the 3 of us

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(Didn’t you post a few minutes ago that starting a thread isn’t your thing?

That’s what made me bump it. 😁

I did hear a story that the Menhel of Yeshiva of Brooklyn refused to take a donation from Barbara Streisand who graduated from there, so some do refuse the money if they dont like the source

I’ve heard the same story. There are still several differences between that and what’s being discussed.

She is a public figure, known for performances which are not according to Torah standards of tznius, and that’s how she obtained her wealth. She also, according to the way I heard the story, had attended the school, yet was and is very far from epitomizing their ideals.

I believe he generally did accept donations from non frum people.

Justajew, you had me there for a while, nice troll job.

Are you the same troll as the other 5T thread? If I were a betting man…

Lol! youre kidding right?

No, I don’t think he’s kidding, and in fact, makes a valid point.

People have a yetzer hora, and do things they shouldn’t, and know they shouldn’t, and would be embarrassed if they were discovered.

When someone intentionally does an aveirah in public, there’s a different dynamic going on. Perhaps the person doesn’t know it’s an aveirah, that would make the comparison of the two inapt. Perhaps they know it’s wrong, but don’t have any busha about doing something wrong. That’s also different than a private aveirah (where perhaps the sinner was caught, but they are embarrassed).

Either way, the comparison between someone dressing publicly in an inappropriate manner to these other aveiros, which might very well be bigger aveiros, isn’t a good one.

ZD, they didn’t parade their crimes in public (also, a lot of the charges were dropped).

you obviosuly missed my point

I think you missed Uncle Ben’s point.

Because I am not trumpeting my actions as the gold standard (or indeed the standard for anyone other than myself) I won’t suffer from that aroma of hypocrisy that is so hard to avoid once one has stepped in it.

You already stepped in it by using the money argument despite saying you would take from a mechallel Shabbos.

Your disclaimer is nonsense.

We do need to judge others’ actions. You, in fact, judged others’ actions (posting) as wrong because you feel it’s lashon hora.

I agree about the looking down, and in many cases, judging motivations and levels of nisayon.

I think what’s bothering you is that you’re getting a feeling that posters just want to knock others to make themselves feel superior, and not l’shem shomayim. You might be correct. Perhaps, though, you might want to constantly if you’re judging correctly…

Either way, wrong is wrong and must be judged as such.

I think you’re being disingenuous by implying that I meant it literally.

There no shaychus between your two cases. Stolen money is stolen money.

Money earned by an avaryan isn’t in the same category. Not even close. The money didn’t come through the aveirah.

Yichusdik, I think you’ve mentioned working for kiruv mosdos. Would you turn down a donation from a mechallel Shabbos?

It seems to me, that if you have the courage of your convictions, it is dirty money.

Don’t be ridiculous. Money belonging to people who violate certain (non financial) issurim isn’t stolen money.

I guess its OK to give Tochacha for communities that have tax evaders child molestors , People stealing government benefits like Medicaid or section 8

Is the Five Towns free of all that?

I think he means having mainstream yeshivish/BY hashkafos, reasonably intelligent, decent looking, neat and presentable, personable, decent conversationalist, in good physical and emotional health etc.

In short, someone with no glaring reasons why they shouldn’t be able to find a shidduch in the yeshiva world.

A mamzer is also punished for the sins of his parents too

We also wipe out an entire city in the case of Ir Hanidachas, so you’d be okay with wiping out not only the yeshiva, but the entire city?

I dont think you understand, Yeshivas are usually ‘Family Businesses” and whomever was in charge 30 years ago, its likely in charge today or at the worst their decendents are . So they same people are in charge, even if the Perp is no longer there.

If it can be proven that he enabled, he should be fired. Legally, no yeshiva is privately owned, or they couldn’t receive tax deductible donations. There’s a board, who can hire a new dean.

I don’t know why you think descendants should be liable for the misdeeds of their parents/grandparents. I think that’s very wrong.

And I am fairly certain you cannot leagally sue the Perp if the crime happend during work hours. The employer is responsible

So change the law. Suing a yeshiva out of existence isn’t the answer. The people who will suffer aren’t the perpetrators or enablers.

At a few of the frum stores I’ve shopped in, the extent of the “shtick” of 3 for $5 is that the first two are $1.67 and the third is $1.66.

If you check out the “working boy world”, there are plenty of older singles there.

I do think they may be harder to match up.

Specifically, I think there are a lot of girls who are looking for “learning boys” who happen to be working, but most “learning boys” are not working.

It’s not the people who are being accused who will suffer, it’s the parents of the students currently enrolled, and the community as a whole.

Joseph, even if it never happened, that doesn’t stop malcontents from suing.

What about American, British and French cars.? It isn’t like there government’s were blameless.

Not blameless, but you still can’t compare.

This is a question for 30 years ago.

The relevant question today would be a super duper store vs. a plain super store.