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I’m not good with the actual sources, but it would be good to see them here, if anyone can show them.
See Pri Megadim (Eshel Avraham) in O.C. 451:30, towards the end, where it’s clear that ordinary use of an oven doesn’t burn out the issur.
However, the bigger problem here anyhow is the potential for the (supposedly – we haven’t established this) kosher muffin being in the oven simultaneously with non kosher food. Even if they didn’t touch, see Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 108 (R’ma) that l’chatchilah you shouldn’t buy it.
Plus, here, we have no way of knowing if it did or didn’t touch any non kosher food (or non kosher tray or rack).
It has more than a 10% chance, depending on location.
As previously discussed, there’s straight up Halacha that says burnt substances of any food are no longer considered food. When we’re talking about an oven, that’s the “flavor” you would be getting.
False. You get regular, assur, ta’am.
No shaychus to the gelatin issue.
similarly, in an oven, food that was previously heated inside of it — anything that is left of it, is no longer food. this can therefore be understood in the same manner
That’s simply not true. Normal use of an oven doesn’t automatically kasher it.
The comparison to gelatin is also totally inapt.
Joseph, surely they rinse the scoop between flavors.
I was just having this discussion with a friend, who said he has gotten vanilla in his chocolate ice cream.
Last I checked, all baked goods are made in a central location and sent to the store.
When was the last time you checked, and with whom did you check?
It’s a machlokes.
:בכורות ז
why did the Brooklyn institution and the summer camp protect that molester for 25 years?
Maybe they believed him innocent. And maybe he was.
I just switched to the 9/11 commemorative plates last month.
Are they going to force you to switch to the new ones?
He clearly said it’s a connected question. It’s true that Joseph lives rent free in his head, but he reiterated it in a general context.
Phil, the two are separate cases, and even if in one the parties are wrong, that doesn’t justify other situations.
Syag, then he should have said that.
Phil, I don’t know why you think calling people names will make people take you seriously (or why the mods allow it).
Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t criticize others for going to arkaos while defending it here.
Philosopher, FWIW, I think it was quite obvious that you were stating an opinion, not making up statistics.
However, what I think was bothering most of the women, throughout reading this thread, is not that chazal, at times, may or may not have negative things to say about women. In my opinion, the thing that was really upsetting was the implication that chazal, and therefore Judaism, was denigrating to women as a general rule.
Perhaps, but the proper response (other than ignoring) would be to point out that Chazal weren’t ch”v denigrating women, rather pointing out a truism because of the practical ramifications.
However, the response we got from some seemed to border on apikorsus, or at least distortion of Chazal, and others unintentionally were mechazek that.
Philosopher, how is Nashim Daatan Kalos not halachic?
I don’t get the point of bringing the cases of exceptional women in klal Yisroel’s history.
Are you trying to undermine Chazal’s general statement? Chazal didn’t say there aren’t exceptions. The rule is still true, and the halachos that result are still true regardless of the exceptions.
It’s crucial to the intellectual honestly of this discussion to point out that Joseph had not, in fact, actually been familiar with the source material
You weren’t either.
Joseph, Nashim Da’atan… “Kalos”?
If you’re going to make this quote your life’s battle cry, it would be more impressive if you got it right.
The gemara in Kiddushin (80b) actually says kalos. You can look it up, and at the same time see the context (after Tisha B’av).
Perhaps it still warrants behind nice.
Obviously, but you still have to do everything you can בטבע to try to stop it
He said that
You have nothing better to do during the Nine Days than troll an old thread last updated six years ago, in the hope of getting people upset? What a shame since you seem to have been behaving yourself for the past few weeks.
Perhaps, if you think it was necessary to give mussar, you could have done it in a nicer way, especially during the nine days.
I agree (although there’s a pretty awkward typo there).
Just to clarify, its not a contradiction.
Yes it is. You even know it is, so you have to twist the words משׁנכנס אב ממעטין בּשׂמחה to mean the opposite of their meaning.
NCB is right. Only modern day chabad reads things upside down like this.
One might mistankingly conclude (and knowing Joseph this s why he framed it that way) that there was no reason to look good by the Goyim.
Meh.
However, one might correctly conclude that there are times when the proper course of action is indeed one which doesn’t look good in front of the goyim.
To address a number of posters who pointed out that there’s chillul Hashem in front of non frum Jews or non Jews, yes, that’s true but it’s not the definition and probably not the ikkar inyan either.
Does going into a Hindu Temple in NYC and destroying all the Idols a Kiddush Hashem or a Chilul Hashem?
I believe you are making the common mistake of confusing eivah with chillul Hashem.
The other common mistake is to call anything which causes one to be embarrassed to be a Jew a chillul Hashem.
Again, these these frequently overlap, but not always.
To be more specific, this thread is about what kiddush Hashem means, not about some possible ways of causing a kiddush Hashem.
While true that isn’t what kiddish hashem means
There are lots of good things we are supposed to do. This thread is about kiddush Hashem, not all of the other things.
A Kiddush Hashem means acting like a Yid is Suppose to act
There’s a very strong association, but where do you get that that is what it means?
I’ve heard this claim before. It is false but I won’t bother to bring sources until you do.
ונקדשתי בתוך בני ישראל.
Now your turn.
Sometimes it does, fyi
They frequently overlap, but it’s not the definition, and sometimes, a kiddush Hashem could be caused by doing something the goyim don’t like, or vice versa.
2scents, you were the one exposed as a serial liar. I invite anyone wanting to know who was “exposed” to read the Vaccine Studies Thread.
Lol, not only are you a liar, you have a bad memory. You’re the one who was exposed as a fraud and a liar.
I know of a few cases where the wife was falling religiously and brought her husband down with her.
So WHY is the government making such a big deal over 2% of kids who don’t vaccinate?
Because they cause people to be seriously ill or die.
As far as it not being a religious issue,. if the Vilna Goan & the Bal Shem Tov both testified that a piece of meat was kosher and Zev said that that piece was HAM. The Talmud states that for everyone the meat is kosher but for Zev the meat is HAM. So even though for everyone else it is permissible to vaccinate but for those who hold it’s prohibited it is the same as making them eat pork.
That is totally incorrect.
You’re misrepresenting the gemara of שויא אנפשיה. It doesn’t apply where it’s blatantly and obviously wrong, so although if someone said a piece of meat was not slaughtered, or that a woman was married, the piece of meat would be assur and he wouldn’t be allowed to marry her. However, if he said it was ham, that would be blatantly false and he would still be allowed to eat the meat.
That’s probably true here as well.
Antivaxxer meshugas isn’t based on the antivaxxers claiming to have witnessed something, as the cases in the gemara are, it’s just that they’ve accepted the false narrative of a bunch of quacks instead of mainstream medicine.
Any posek would tell an antivaxxer that it’s a chiyuv to vaccinate, and that their meshugene dayos don’t change that.
there is an obligation to educate every Jew not just the ones you agree with
True, but blame the parents, whose obligation it is more than anyone else’s, and are the ones blocking it.
The state can’t force them to vaccinate if they claim they are not doing it for religious purposes.
If I claim carrying a loaded weapon is my religious belief, can the state refuse to allow my kids into school?
Maybe you’re on a different thread
How will they be educated?
Hopefully, their parents will stop acting stupidly and irresponsibly, and get them vaccinated.
The mod is 100% right. These scoundrels were abusing the religious exemption, aside from putting the public and their own children at risk.
It’s amazing to me that people are still responding seriously to someone who was exposed a troll (if it wasn’t obvious enough on its own…).
It’s extremely silly to be offended by a website glitch.
ZD, I think everyone says going into the actual sanctuary is a problem, some are meikil on other rooms in the building.
Joseph, if you follow R’ Moshe’s psak that it’s assur to walk into a Conservative establishment, you also have to shave and eat cholov stam.
And in the winter, they dress modestly?
There aren’t two modes of dress, modest and immodest. There are many levels in between. I’m sure you’re aware that it’s worse in the summer.
I think he’s disagreeing that it’s interesting.
The OP is actually a misunderstanding of R’ Chaim’s position on the internet, I believe. He doesn’t asser it under all circumstances. Raising funds for a yeshiva, if the internet is used in a responsible manner, would be an example where he doesn’t asser. Since there are many people using the internet in ways and for purposes which are okay, there’s nothing wrong with raising money on the internet.
A nasty troll
I don’t know either if you in real life, but Phil, you come across as much nastier than Joseph.
Why do you assume that R’ Chaim Kanievsky is a posek?
Whatever his disclaimer that he’s not a posek means, in fact, he does tell people what the halacha is, so I’m not sure what your issue is with calling something he instructs someone to do or not to do a psak.
The Torah views embarrassing someone as a step below murder, and this is worse than any form of embarrassment I can think of.
Does that mean wearing Shatnes was okay? Same with shaving.
That’s an affront to the talmidei chachomim who shaved.
Maybe you’re correct about the hamon am, but I can guarantee you that the roshei yeshivos in Europe and even their talmidim (who didn’t have beards) were aware of the lav.