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It’s a shame you need to resort to twisting my words, along with assorted other lies, to make your point.
It may not be for you, but it is for others. And until you develop enough empathy to see that, you will have difficulty convincing them of the correctness of your position.
I was going to respond to Yserbius’ erroneous assertion that masks are no big deal but you said it better than I could have.
Your loss
And yes there is very much of the Torah shebaal peh Takanah that we still observe today in spite of the Eis Laasos that is why gemaras are to this day still printed without nekudos, it is said that is why the Gra wrote mostly abbreviations and more.
And the “takanah” to allow accepting a stipend also still exists.
That’s assuming we pasken like the Rambam, and that the Rambam wouldn’t allow a Kollel stipend. However, the poskim don’t assume that; they add the part about eis la’asos as an extra snif.
Anyhow, good to hear that you now agree that it’s muttar.
They can sit and learn, take a stipend but I am not mechuyav to support
Your loss if you don’t support talmidei chachomim even if they don’t be poskim.
He does not make that a t’nai.
See the end of that teshuva where he indeed wants there to be many supporters of Torah so that there should be many talmidei chachomim.
AAQ, I’m confused. The Shulchan Aruch was addressed. If someone wants to learn and the only possible way is to accept money from others, it is okay and proper, as the Biur Halacha explicitly says on that Shulchan Aruch. This fits with the Kesef Mishnah’s commentary on the Rambam.
I’m not sure what a Sefaria translation of the Shulchan Aruch already discussed adds to the conversation.
Nowadays, it is very rare for someone to be able to learn without taking a stipend of some sort. Therefore, as Rav Moshe writes, if someone says they will be stringent like the Rambam and will therefore not be able to learn as much or as well, they are following the advice of the yetzer hora.
Reb Eliezer, I believe this answers your question as well.
Duvidf, you’re being pedantic. For whatever reason, whether it’s the ikar hadin or because of eis la’asos (he adds that possibility even if the ikar hadin is like that Rambam, but seems to hold it actually isn’t) the fact is it’s muttar and therefore proper.
Would you similarly argue that someone who learns Torah sheba’al peh from a sefer is doing something wrong since it’s only muttar because of eis la’asos Lashem heferu?
the Rambam refers to the case where someone is in a kolel and supported from the tzedakah there only currently one who wants to be a morah haroah should take advantage of.
We don’t pasken like that.
because your debate with Reb E about the Rambam has nothing to do with status of pt working boys and shidduchim
Nah, I think he thinks he made a point about how working boys are now equal to learning boys because of covid, but it’s not very sensible. See bp27’s response.
You seem to be upset at individuals who don’t wear mask (aside from institutions which don’t mandate it).
Are you upset only when they refuse to wear masks where they are mandated, or even where they are optional?
A careful reading of the Kesef Mishna you quoted will show the opposite of what you said in his name, all the Kesef Mishna does is defend people who do earn money from Torah Learning.
He is more than “defending them” (if that means to imply a mere limud z’chus), he is saying halacha and historical precedent is with them.
and we do pasken like the Rambam mostly except for yechidim as your Biur Halacha and I don’t appreciate you castigating me for quoting the above Rambam.
No, we don’t pasken like the Rambam. If we did, it would be assur for yechidim as well. There’s no quota of how many people can learn and get supported, the metzius is that is was always yechidim, but halevai it should be more (I think R Moshe writes this).
Yes, I will castigate you for pretending we pasken like the Rambam thereby unfairly denigrateing thousands of b’nei Torah who have made Torah their occupation. Whether you appreciate it or not.
DaasYochid,
seems like Rambam has a majority support hereNot true. Read the כסף משנה
For those erroneously claiming that the שו”ע holds it’s assur to learn and get supported, I will remind you that the author of the כסף משנה was the same as the שו”ע, and, no, he’s not contradicting himself.
הכלל העולה שכל שאין לו ממה להתפרנס מותר ליטול שכרו ללמד בין מהתלמידים עצמן בין מן הצבור. וכן מותר לו ליטול שכר מהצבור לדון או מהבעלי דינין אחר שמירת התנאים הנזכרים בהלכות סנהדרין. ואחרי הודיע ה’ אותנו את כל זאת אפשר לומר שכוונת רבינו כאן היא שאין לאדם לפרוק עול מלאכה מעליו כדי להתפרנס מן הבריות כדי ללמוד אבל שילמוד מלאכה המפרנסת אותו ואם תספיקנו מוטב ואם לא תספיקנו יטול הספקתו מהצבור ואין בכך כלום. וזהו שכתב כל המשים על לבו וכו’. והביא כמה משניות מורות על שראוי ללמוד מלאכה ואפילו נאמר שאין כן דעת רבינו אלא כנראה מדבריו בפירוש המשנה קי”ל כל מקום שהלכה רופפת בידך הלך אחר המנהג. וראינו כל חכמי ישראל קודם זמן רבינו ואחריו נוהגים ליטול שכרם מן הצבור וגם כי נודה שהלכה כדברי רבינו בפירוש המשנה אפשר שהסכימו כן כל חכמי הדורות משום עת לעשות לה’ הפרו תורתך שאילו לא היתה פרנסת הלומדים והמלמדים מצויה לא היו יכולים לטרוח בתורה כראוי והיתה התורה משתכחת ח”ו ובהיותה מצויה יוכלו לעסוק ויגדיל תורה ויאדיר:
כסף משנה
Read the OP again
Why?
GH, what some companies actually do is have the parts owned by a Jew when they are assembled, so that they don’t require tevila to begin with. These products will be marked as such, with a hechsher.
Not all poskim are happy with every company’s contractual arrangement with the manufacturer, so just like the food products you buy, make sure your posek approves of the hechsher.
If it were really that easy, I wonder if it would even be considered a ma’aseh uman.
I don’t understand the OP’s premise. What does Covid have to do with anything?
Clickbait, which seems to have worked.
This is a better solution than what @daasyochid suggests because by giving it to a goy many poskim still hold that you require tevilah if it will stay in a jew’s reshus long-term
You are correct that halachically it’s better to disassemble and reassemble, but most people can’t/aren’t going to do that even with a YT video.
The manufacturer always says not to immerse. So according to most poskim, either don’t buy a George Foreman (or urn, etc.) or immerse and let it dry out, as many have done successfully with no issues despite what the manufacturer says.
סופה בטלה וגוררת עון – כתבו הספרים שזהו נאמר לכלל העולם שאין כולם יכולים לזכות לעלות למדרגה רמה זו להיות עסקם רק בתורה לבדה אבל אנשים יחידים יוכל להמצא בכל עת באופן זה [וזהו שאמרו בברכות ל”ו ע”ב הרבה עשו כרשב”י ולא עלתה בידן ר”ל דוקא הרבה] והקב”ה בודאי ימציא להם פרנסתם וכעין זה כתב הרמב”ם פי”ג מהלכות שמיטין ויובלות ולא שבט לוי בלבד וכו’ עי”ש ובפרט אם כבר נמצאו אנשים שרוצים להספיק לו צרכיו כדי שיעסוק בתורה בודאי לא שייך זה ויששכר וזבלון יוכיח:
ביאור הלכה
Reb Eliezer, you said (disingenuously quoting a Rambam which is not halacha l’maaseh) that it’s assur.
The argument isn’t that everyone must learn full time. You’re basically making the same error as Rational. I’m arguing against your mistaken assertion that one may not learn full time and not work. That is simply not the accepted halacha.
I’m just saying that it’s okay (and that’s an understatement) that we have people doing that (כן ירבו), but I’m not saying that everyone has to. So all of your questions, such as what will be with Yissochor/Zevulun, are irrelevant.
Duvidf, see Biur Halacha on that Sh”A.
And your quoting R Moshe proved my point; not sure why you think otherwise.
BTW, the all caps is unbecoming.
Rational, who said “must”?
The Rambam proves his point by the fact that our tenoim had an occupation.
But again, we don’t paskens like that.
What about, kol torah shein ima melocho sofoh betela, if no work is supplemented with Torah, that learning will not continue, Pirkei Avos (2,2)?
Do you think the gedolim such as R Aharon Kotler and R Moshe Feinstein, (let alone רבי נהוראי and many others onward until contemporary times) who advocated for people to learn full time, missed that?
As far as the OP question, Participant answered it correctly.
Simply put, girls (and their parents) aren’t counting on a boy being the exception, and the general rule is that boys who are in yeshiva full time are more likely to be learning more than boys who are working part-time.
Do you know that the Rambam Hilchas Talmud Torah (3,10) is against not having an occupation?
Do you know that we don’t pasken like this Ramba”m? See Kesef Mishneh.
Why is it OK to violate HIPAA laws when investigating possible health concerns?
Not sure who you think is violating HIPAA laws…
“Who Must Follow These Laws
We call the entities that must follow the HIPAA regulations “covered entities.”Covered entities include:
Health Plans, including health insurance companies, HMOs, company health plans, and certain government programs that pay for health care, such as Medicare and Medicaid.
Most Health Care Providers—those that conduct certain business electronically, such as electronically billing your health insurance—including most doctors, clinics, hospitals, psychologists, chiropractors, nursing homes, pharmacies, and dentists.
Health Care Clearinghouses—entities that process nonstandard health information they receive from another entity into a standard (i.e., standard electronic format or data content), or vice versa.
In addition, business associates of covered entities must follow parts of the HIPAA regulations.Often, contractors, subcontractors, and other outside persons and companies that are not employees of a covered entity will need to have access to your health information when providing services to the covered entity. We call these entities “business associates.” Examples of business associates include:
Companies that help your doctors get paid for providing health care, including billing companies and companies that process your health care claims
Companies that help administer health plans
People like outside lawyers, accountants, and IT specialists
Companies that store or destroy medical records
Covered entities must have contracts in place with their business associates, ensuring that they use and disclose your health information properly and safeguard it appropriately. Business associates must also have similar contracts with subcontractors. Business associates (including subcontractors) must follow the use and disclosure provisions of their contracts and the Privacy Rule, and the safeguard requirements of the Security Rule.Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws
Many organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow these laws.Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:
Life insurers
Employers
Workers compensation carriers
Most schools and school districts
Many state agencies like child protective service agencies
Most law enforcement agencies
Many municipal offices”If your question is why it is important to know about possible medical issues in a shidduch, I’m afraid I’m not going to be able to give you an answer which will satisfy you, but it’s pretty self-evident to most.
Anybody buy it?
Rav Belsky zatza”l reportedly held that a Keurig does not require tevila.
Rav Dovid Feinstein zt”l held it does, so the only eitzah is to have it owned by a guy.
BTW, there are opinions that something that is only used when plugged in is considered attached to the ground and does not need tevilla.
Minority opinion. R’ Moshe zt”l didn’t hold of that.
The truth? That’s your truth that if someone supports the most pro Israel president ever, he’s a cultist?
If the election is overturned, it will be because fraud is proven. If it wouldn’t be overturned even if fraud were proven, that would mean we have no rule of law.
I had heard he was coming out with one.
It’s made of medleys of old English songs.
I agree with Goldilocks and Yserbius, and want to add that tevilah doesn’t work unless you toivel the whole thing, including the cord, at one time.
Is he coming out with a new one any time soon?
Do you deny that you wrote the following?
“if you are still pro-Trump you either don’t care about American Democracy or you are in the cult and believe whatever he does is automatically the best”
You clearly said that if you are pro Trump, you are either anti Democracy, or are a cultist who thinks he’s always right.
On top of that you change my words from refusing to recognize that his flaws make him unfit to be president to a claim I never made. Namely, you claim I said that pro-Trump think whatever he does is automatically true… No idea what that even means.
You did say that. Unless someone else logged into your account.
Yes, you are acting like Cultists. Your are desperately trying to uphold some vision of Trump and you ignore the flaws and problems with him. If you google “Cult” the third definition that pops up is, “a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.”
Sheker again. We don’t all ignore his flaws or excessively admire him, we just think he’s a very good president.
Yes, that is a very serious problem, that some in our community do excessively admire him, but don’t lump us all together. I’m personally disgusted by the whole maga hat and bumper sticker thing in our community.
Nevermind you are putting forth a strawman argument in that no one here, definitely not you, has offered a differing opinion about how he has had an effect on our democracy.
How is that a straw man argument?
This was the offensive comment which lumped all pro Trump people together:
At this point after all the attacks Trump has made on American Democracy if you are still pro-Trump you either don’t care about American Democracy or you are in the cult and believe whatever he does is automatically the best.
On the other thread, the comments basically did say that by definition a Trump supporter is a cultist and thinks Trump can do no wrong.
Here, on the other hand, she did not say or imply that every Democrat is a cheater, just that it’s been historically true that there have been Democrat cheating scandals in Chicago.
If you want to argue that Republicans also cheat, or cheat more, that’s fine, you’re entitled to state opposing opinions (and of course saying that would not mean that every single Republican is a cheater), but don’t insult people baselessly.
A forensic audit of one single machine in ware county, georgia revealed 37 votes flipped from biden to trump
Someone tweeted that. Is it true?
The thing with the Russian Hoax, is that it was not a hoax. There was well documented interference by Russia in the election in 2016 to help Trump.
Yeah, they made some social media posts.
The hoax was saying Trump was involved.
In any case, if memory serves it was Trump’s AG that appointed Mueller, not the Democrats. It was the GOP led Senate that issued a report on Russian interference in the election. This is not a Democrat led thing.
Yes, Rosenstein, but it most certainly was a Democrat led thing, namely Schiff and Pelosi.
And your true colors show once again.
Huh? This is known historical fact. And what do “true colors” mean? Is that some sort of insult? If it is, besides being ridiculous to respond to someone stating a known fact with an insult, it’s totally uncalled for to insult someone personally because if differing political opinions.
If it wasn’t intended as an insult, you’d better brush up on your communication skills, because it sure seemed like one.
You are correct here. Biden won fair and square.
One doesn’t follow from the other.
The truth is that Republicans exclusively steal elections through many forms of voter suppression.
and then:
If you believe Democrat’s cheat, don’t vote again ever. Do us all a favor.
Since you think the Republicans cheat, I assume that in the name of consistency, you don’t vote…
I doubt that you ascribe the correct motives to Trump and Giuliani, but I agree that it’s about time we address the weak election security they have.
