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☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
No, and for that reason the justice department said they weren’t pursuing it
Thanks for the honest answer.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo apparently now the question is which is better, Telegram or Signal.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThanks all for your responses.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDrive to the nearest Target and pick up some bags of chips and some candy bars. Everyone will be happy, and I guarantee you it will be cost much less than $2K.
The catering hall doesn’t allow outside food. That’s also not very healthy, and to hey need some real food.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantrule 2 – which side has more money ,
I don’t know, and I doubt they shared their bank account with each other. I don’t think that’s the point though. Even if the chosson’s parents were wealthier, the minhag is for the kallah’s parents to spend more on the chasunah (although I’ve heard of exceptions)
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant3. context & flexibility; there are 2 general rules , different people spend money on diff. things because to”THEM” its important and worth it so for one mechutan sushi is more important than a lady photographer.. and to the other a nuttery station in NECESSARY – so whoever really wants it pays the extra & do it besimcha
They both want it.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant2. and for what sushi & salami?? its true that people coming for kabolas panim need to eat something its supper time people drove in… but these are not the filing items like sesame chicken & rice…
I thought charcuterie boards had regular deli too. But I’m not a maven.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant1. so the chossons parents are arguing over $ 350 – after the kallas side is paying an extra approx 5000 ?
It’s not the money, it’s the principle of the matter 😉
Whether the minhag should be to split in half is a good question to debate, but it isn’t, and they’re not arguing on that point. Also, they have other kids so have been or will be on the other side of that unequal sharing minhag in other cases.☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantit is split the same way the other chasunah expenses are.
I assume you mean 2/3 to 1/3.
Would you say the same if they picked up chips and candy bars from Target? Or is this only because it’s coming from the same caterer?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo one’s right since there isn’t any norm for this issue.
Ok, but what should they do?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI think Biden’s plan makes sense. One of the reason the states are so sluggish in giving out the vaccine is because of their silly prioritization rules. If they had more vaccines, they would just give it out to whoever wants (as, in my opinion, they should already be doing).
By the time the second dose is needed, there will have been more doses produced, so hopefully everyone can get their second dose regardless.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantCalm down. Cleaver said awomen was just a pun.
To save face
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHow can anyone answer this without being told who he’d be running against?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantUbiquitin, is that legally incitement?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI wasn’t trying to blame either of you, just that the thread comes out as insensitive IMHO.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t like this thread.
I think that right after a family suffers from a nanny causing a brain injury, it’s not the right time to discuss the wisdom of having a nanny.
I similarly didn’t like the fire safety discussion in the immediate aftermath of a family suffering from a tragic fire.
There have been other similar threads on the heels of a tragedy, and it somehow feels to me that the victim is being blamed.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAs far as the OP’s question, even if we were to assume (which we shouldn’t) that there are any cr responders whose opinion should be followed, there is clearly not enough information here to answer.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou are obligated to fulfill your Kesuba from the moment you get married.
Just like any other monetary obligation, the other party (the wife in this case) can be moichel.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantGuys who are serious about staying in Kollel are focused and do not wonder if they should be leaving. IMHO.
This part of the comment backs up Dr. Nat’s assertion that he’s not an anti-kollel troll.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant@daas-yochid You said that you saw a person choking nearly to death because of a mask. So yes, you did say that wearing a mask is physically impossible and dangerous for many people.
I don’t know why you insist on double, triple, and quadrupling down on my your distortion of what I said.
That’s literally all I’ve been saying this entire thread.
Until you added a bunch of other things.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPlease explain to me how wearing a mask while going to shul, the supermarket, school, or when talking with a friend is such a major hindrance on your life.
The irony here is that upthread you claimed to be flexible, but when people keep telling you how uncomfortable they feel in mask, you can’t accept it and ask for an “explanation”. Just accept how people feel if they fell you they’re uncomfortable. (That’s literally all I’ve been saying the entire thread despite your distortion.)
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI would not rely on his essay as a basis for breaking the law and possibly causing a major chillul hashem.
I am questioning if something is a chillul Hashem when it is very reasonable to say that their actions saved lives.
Calling the existing policies murderous is probably hyperbole and is not necessary to make this point.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMasks are only one part of the puzzle. We need masks, social distancing, limiting public gatherings, limiting close contact, exposure awareness, quarantine procedures, etc.
So stop saying how easy this is when the reality is that you are demanding huge, destructive life changes, not just mask wearing (which itself you underestimate how difficult it is for many).
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant@daas-yochid You claimed that wearing a mask is physically impossible for some people and even dangerous for many.
No, I didn’t. That’s how you distorted my words, and you were called out on it.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant1) the brazenness. it was advertised
This makes me believe their claim that they did receive authorization, it at least that they believed they did.
2) They gave people without any criteria at all.
This certainly isn’t what their stated policy was. That having been said, in some cases it could be justified. From what I understand, once opened, all 10 doses need to be used right away, so if two people didn’t show up to their appointments, it’s better to give it to two young healthy people rather than discard them. They also found many vials contained an extra dose, so better to use it on someone available rather than throw it out.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIf the author is right that the current policy is murder, is it a chillul Hashem to violate this policy?
I am not granting that they violated any laws, certainly not knowingly (they deny it). I am asking even if theoretically they did.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo, I didn’t ignore it, I just didn’t comment on it.
You insist that wearing masks is no big deal, not just that you should do it anyhow.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMay I suggest before continuing we all read Rabbi Avi Shafran’s latest article entitled “Mask Ask”?
Including the part where he says he felt like he was suffocating when wearing a mask?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo point in responding when you refuse to hear what others are saying and need to distort in order to make your point.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI was taking @daas-yochid s story to the logical place.
There’s nothing logicical about your conclusions. The story is 100% true, and your fantastic distortion is one of a series of falsehoods you have posted here.
You even had the chutzpah to post that someone is just as able to be heard through a mask as without, which is blatantly false as anyone who has compared can attest to.
Your assertion that masks are actually not uncomfortable is another big lie as many can attest to. Maybe for you, but your unwillingness to accept that others have a different reality is a distortion of the truth and indeed reflects the lack of empathy to which you admit.
December 20, 2020 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm in reply to: A Thread That is Not Really About a New Cd by Boruch Levine #1930290☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAgreed
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt’s a shame you need to resort to twisting my words, along with assorted other lies, to make your point.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt may not be for you, but it is for others. And until you develop enough empathy to see that, you will have difficulty convincing them of the correctness of your position.
I was going to respond to Yserbius’ erroneous assertion that masks are no big deal but you said it better than I could have.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYour loss
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAnd yes there is very much of the Torah shebaal peh Takanah that we still observe today in spite of the Eis Laasos that is why gemaras are to this day still printed without nekudos, it is said that is why the Gra wrote mostly abbreviations and more.
And the “takanah” to allow accepting a stipend also still exists.
That’s assuming we pasken like the Rambam, and that the Rambam wouldn’t allow a Kollel stipend. However, the poskim don’t assume that; they add the part about eis la’asos as an extra snif.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAnyhow, good to hear that you now agree that it’s muttar.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThey can sit and learn, take a stipend but I am not mechuyav to support
Your loss if you don’t support talmidei chachomim even if they don’t be poskim.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHe does not make that a t’nai.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSee the end of that teshuva where he indeed wants there to be many supporters of Torah so that there should be many talmidei chachomim.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAAQ, I’m confused. The Shulchan Aruch was addressed. If someone wants to learn and the only possible way is to accept money from others, it is okay and proper, as the Biur Halacha explicitly says on that Shulchan Aruch. This fits with the Kesef Mishnah’s commentary on the Rambam.
I’m not sure what a Sefaria translation of the Shulchan Aruch already discussed adds to the conversation.
Nowadays, it is very rare for someone to be able to learn without taking a stipend of some sort. Therefore, as Rav Moshe writes, if someone says they will be stringent like the Rambam and will therefore not be able to learn as much or as well, they are following the advice of the yetzer hora.
Reb Eliezer, I believe this answers your question as well.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDuvidf, you’re being pedantic. For whatever reason, whether it’s the ikar hadin or because of eis la’asos (he adds that possibility even if the ikar hadin is like that Rambam, but seems to hold it actually isn’t) the fact is it’s muttar and therefore proper.
Would you similarly argue that someone who learns Torah sheba’al peh from a sefer is doing something wrong since it’s only muttar because of eis la’asos Lashem heferu?
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantthe Rambam refers to the case where someone is in a kolel and supported from the tzedakah there only currently one who wants to be a morah haroah should take advantage of.
We don’t pasken like that.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantbecause your debate with Reb E about the Rambam has nothing to do with status of pt working boys and shidduchim
Nah, I think he thinks he made a point about how working boys are now equal to learning boys because of covid, but it’s not very sensible. See bp27’s response.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou seem to be upset at individuals who don’t wear mask (aside from institutions which don’t mandate it).
Are you upset only when they refuse to wear masks where they are mandated, or even where they are optional?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantA careful reading of the Kesef Mishna you quoted will show the opposite of what you said in his name, all the Kesef Mishna does is defend people who do earn money from Torah Learning.
He is more than “defending them” (if that means to imply a mere limud z’chus), he is saying halacha and historical precedent is with them.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantand we do pasken like the Rambam mostly except for yechidim as your Biur Halacha and I don’t appreciate you castigating me for quoting the above Rambam.
No, we don’t pasken like the Rambam. If we did, it would be assur for yechidim as well. There’s no quota of how many people can learn and get supported, the metzius is that is was always yechidim, but halevai it should be more (I think R Moshe writes this).
Yes, I will castigate you for pretending we pasken like the Rambam thereby unfairly denigrateing thousands of b’nei Torah who have made Torah their occupation. Whether you appreciate it or not.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDaasYochid,
seems like Rambam has a majority support hereNot true. Read the כסף משנה
For those erroneously claiming that the שו”ע holds it’s assur to learn and get supported, I will remind you that the author of the כסף משנה was the same as the שו”ע, and, no, he’s not contradicting himself.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantהכלל העולה שכל שאין לו ממה להתפרנס מותר ליטול שכרו ללמד בין מהתלמידים עצמן בין מן הצבור. וכן מותר לו ליטול שכר מהצבור לדון או מהבעלי דינין אחר שמירת התנאים הנזכרים בהלכות סנהדרין. ואחרי הודיע ה’ אותנו את כל זאת אפשר לומר שכוונת רבינו כאן היא שאין לאדם לפרוק עול מלאכה מעליו כדי להתפרנס מן הבריות כדי ללמוד אבל שילמוד מלאכה המפרנסת אותו ואם תספיקנו מוטב ואם לא תספיקנו יטול הספקתו מהצבור ואין בכך כלום. וזהו שכתב כל המשים על לבו וכו’. והביא כמה משניות מורות על שראוי ללמוד מלאכה ואפילו נאמר שאין כן דעת רבינו אלא כנראה מדבריו בפירוש המשנה קי”ל כל מקום שהלכה רופפת בידך הלך אחר המנהג. וראינו כל חכמי ישראל קודם זמן רבינו ואחריו נוהגים ליטול שכרם מן הצבור וגם כי נודה שהלכה כדברי רבינו בפירוש המשנה אפשר שהסכימו כן כל חכמי הדורות משום עת לעשות לה’ הפרו תורתך שאילו לא היתה פרנסת הלומדים והמלמדים מצויה לא היו יכולים לטרוח בתורה כראוי והיתה התורה משתכחת ח”ו ובהיותה מצויה יוכלו לעסוק ויגדיל תורה ויאדיר:
כסף משנה
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRead the OP again
Why?
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