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Please address my points. Namely this one: MASKS WORK, EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR THEM WHEN AROUND OTHER PEOPLE. THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF MASK WEARING PALE IN COMPARISON TO THE ADVANTAGES THEY BRING IN PROTECTED PEOPLE FROM COVID-19

I would definitely agree that if two people who haven’t had Covid are face to face with each other, it would be safer for them to wear masks. I don’t believe it’s been scientifically proven, but it is mistaver.

There’s a broader issue that you dismiss too easily, whether forcing to people to wear masks for long periods of time is really so insignificant as you suggest it is. I’m not going to bother trying to convince you that it’s emotionally unhealthy for someone to be forced to do something which they abhor (whether it’s physically or psychologically uncomfortable is irelevant) for long stretches of time, because you have demonstrated an inability to hear anything outside of your own personal experience. You are apparently not that uncomfortable in a mask, and that’s fine, but you are not the only person in the world.

A certain rabbi wrote an article lamenting that many of his younger members have not come back to shul after the initial lockdown ended (I found it ironic since during the lockdown, he publicly, although without naming him, lambasted a different rav who kept his shul open on a limited basis). I’m told many of those people (not specifically in his shul) have suffered tremendous decline in their frumkeit. Going to shul isn’t just to accomplish a technical din of tefillah b’tzibur; it is immensely important socially, and for many people, it’s a tremendous connection to frumkeit.

Hearing from many people how much they hate masks (again – physical or psychological doesn’t matter), I definitely feel that when all of the minyanim insist on masks, many people simply won’t come. And the casualty isn’t just tefilah b’tzibur, it’s their whole yiddishkeit.

I’m all in favor of mask only minyanim for those who want them or need them from a safety perspective. But not having mask optional minyanim has a huge, not small, downside, despite your dismissal.

Our communities, as well as society at large, have suffered tremendously over the past year. A big part of that has been the people we lost r”l and the people who got sick and still haven’t fully recovered. But there’s also a different “pandemic” which is only beginning to be addressed, and that is the emotional, and for us equally important, spiritual decline many, many people have suffered.

When multiple rabbonim who I respect, and have respected for many years, do not insist on masks in their shuls, and in fact don’t wear them themselves (at least the ones who already had Covid), I will not accept as anything less than complete insanity the notion that they are all “pro-death”. I believe the explanation is as I said, that they believe the downside of insisting on masks is worse than the safety risks.

There are also rabbonim for whom I have immense respect who do insist on masks, and that’s fine too. Unlike you, I will not accuse them of being “pro ODT” or “anti emotional health”. I understand that in a very difficult situation, they prioritize physical safety. You should have the same respect for rabbonim who have assessed and for their kehilos prioritized the other, non physical downside, and not mandated masks.

I’m not trying to convince you to take your mask off, just (probably hopelessly) trying to show you that there are intelligent, responsible, and caring Torah leaders who don’t believe we should all be wearing masks in all of the situations you do, with legitimate reasons.

(I post this knowing the risk that you will completely distort my words, perhaps claiming that I said that if someone wears a mask in shul, they will instantly turn insane and/or frei. I hope that’s not the case, but rather that you will begin to hear that those who disagree with aren’t therefore evil.)

Ever heard of being banned and removed from your flight from your seat on the plane without any names or announcement needed?

Has that ever happened to you?

I really don’t have time or much interest in posting all of the black and white proof against your denials, but let’s just say it’s pretty pathetic how you keep denying what you wrote when it’s right there on the CR

“Let’s get this straight: Wearing a mask is not a big deal. It doesn’t restrict oxygen, nor increase CO2 levels. It doesn’t make it hard for people to hear you, ”

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/anti-face-mask-ywncr/page/2#post-1928850

If I were like you, I would stop the conversation and scream LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

At yourself?

This is a bunch of baloney.

When you vote for a candidate, you vote for the person who you think will carry out his/her job in the way you think is best among the candidates.

It in no way means you agree with everything they believe in or support.

If it did, you couldn’t vote for anyone.

You are making the same silly argument Charlie Hall makes when saying voting for Trump means you think he’s from the 36 tzaddikim. You’re just on the other side of the aisle.

But off of the top of my head: (some may have been unintentional; I’m not a mind reader)

You lied about the veracity, details, implications, and context of the incident I witnessed

You lied about masks being comfortable

You lied about masks not impeding communication

You lied about the original disinformation anmbout masks being just one Tweet

And your most egregious and offensive one is calling people who have a different opinion than yours pro death.

“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!”

They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

Happy anniversary to this tweet.

And no, Yserbius, this was not the only anti mask message.

Maybe preschool

and did you have a chance to run your questions by your Rav or Rosh Yeshiva?

Tongue in cheek much?

You’re not answering the question. You keep avoiding the question.

If you really knew so little about Covevei Torah, you wouldn’t comment – maybe they’re really so bad that they deserve scorn.

AAQ, and if they live normally,vas before the pandemic? Are they rodfim? Is it muttar to kill them?

I’ll bring up MadeAliyah’s question as well, perhaps a bit differently – if everyone else is vaccinated, why would they care if some weren’t?

Even 1 person dying from a vaccine is too much since it’s meant to protect not kill.

Of course one person dying is tragic. But dying of Covid is no less tragic, and in all likelihood, the vaccine will prevent a lot more deaths from Covid than it will cause.

The fact that the vaccine is meant to protect is irelevant. That doesn’t make one death from the vaccine worse than a thousand deaths from Covid, which the vaccine prevents.

Besides as I mentioned in my posts, we are talking about the LONGRUN. Noone knows what side effects this vaccine has whether in a year or 2 or 5 or 10.

Nobody knows for sure, but there’s no reason to believe it will be so bad.. We do know, however, the the long term effect of dying from Covid. The person remains dead.

They are basicallly rodfim.

I think they are wrong, but rodfim? Would you literally kill them?

AAQ: L’chaim!

I know you don’t believe in vaccines, and maybe you don’t even believe in corona, but most people do.

They are trying to keep people from getting sick and dying.

Yserbius123, bravo, well expressed.

That’s a head scratcher, Reb E. Every other post of yours bashes only Republicans.