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☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I guess there are some that prefer their Rabbi putting down others so they can feel holier than thou.
Some prefer that their rabbi stand up for Hashem and His Torah.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThe minyan was perfectly legal, it was at the end of the “ban” of minyanim, and most rabbonim who had signed the “ban” signed a new proclamation allowing minyanim just a short while afterwards. Yes I know it was an “oral ruling”; someone sent me the recording. I wouldn’t call it a shiur or a teshuva, though. There wasn’t one ounce of Torah in it, it was pure politics and sinas chinam.
I am being dan l’kaf z’chus that people’s fear got the better of them, but he nevertheless lost a lot of respect in my eyes.
Rav Heineman and others were entitled to their opinions, but those who disagreed with them, including some very choshuve talmidei chachomim, were entitled to theirs as well.
But instead of respecting that others may have a different opinion, people like that rabbi, and like you, just cancel anyone who disagrees.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantthe biggest shock of the pandemic is how many Jews and whole communities behave irresponsibly
Maybe if entire communities, led by their rabbonim, act a certain way, you need to be less arrogant and realize that there’s legitimacy to a position which you happen to not agree with.
You can follow your rabbonim; that’s fine. But when many fine talmidei chachomim who have always been responsible leaders agree on not obsessing over Covid to the level you have, maybe, just maybe, they have a good reason for it.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participanti have to say the most shocking thing for me is to see parts of the community who i respected as ehrlich and committed even tho in a different way then me, jumping at any and every chance to override halachik obligations and even resort to MESIRA! even when the science does not support it.
So right.
I would add that these peope have also generated a lot of sinas chinam.
Like the “rabbi” AAQ alluded to in an earlier post, on a different thread, who dismissed any posek who wasn’t as machmir as him on Covid.
Except that AAQ failed to mention the context. He denigrated a rav who was davening with a socially distant outdoor minyan. For dismissing someone who was doing something so eminently sensible as lacking judgement, I determine that that “rabbi” who wrote that “teshuva” isn’t reliable to answer shailas.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAvi Weiss never met a camera he didn’t like. That’s not courage, that’s attention seeking.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMaybe preschool
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantujm – After reading comments in the CR for a while, I have come to a conclusion that whatever you say the opposite is almost certainly correct. So based on your comments, I have to assume YCT and OO are in-fact not apikorsum and you cannot mock them.
Sounds like the argument of an elementary school kid
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantEither rationally accept the data that the risks of the vaccine are extremely slim compared to the risks of not taking it
Has there been a study of people who were vaccinated vs. people who were not, but were taking vitamin D and ivermectin? If so, please cite your sources. If not, stop referring to “data” which doesn’t exist.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantGH, we have to stop referring anyone who disagreees with us in a health or safety related matter as not caring if people die. It’s a horrible slur, and is simply false.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantand did you have a chance to run your questions by your Rav or Rosh Yeshiva?
Tongue in cheek much?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThe truth is very hidden
That’s the national anthem of the anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThe “possible risks” are impossible to disprove, because they are just speculation. The safety and efficacy have been tested. Yes, they were only able to test short term, but there is no reason to suspect long term negative effects, other than “well, who knows?”
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIf sizeable portion of population (20%) will not vaccinate, then pandemic will continue at reduced rates (20%?) level and will be endangering even those who are vaccinated.
No, the vaccine is almost 100% effective at preventing serious illness.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou’re not answering the question. You keep avoiding the question.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWho?
Tristate Jew
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIf you really knew so little about Covevei Torah, you wouldn’t comment – maybe they’re really so bad that they deserve scorn.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSee article in The Lancet.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIf you’re afraid of getting covid, take ivermectin as a prophylactic. It works.
I don’t believe that’s been proven.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRightwriter, if you’re worried about losing you freedom, take the vaccine.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAAQ, and if they live normally,vas before the pandemic? Are they rodfim? Is it muttar to kill them?
I’ll bring up MadeAliyah’s question as well, perhaps a bit differently – if everyone else is vaccinated, why would they care if some weren’t?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWorse? That’s insane.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantUJM, at least this time he was transparent. As opposed to the mask fiasco, when he lied to us.
GH, thank you.
Tristate, it’s true that Covid, and to some extent vaccines, are going to be a divisive issue and therefore will interfere with some shidduchim. However, I would say more people would stay away from antivaxxers than from people who took the vaccine.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI believe there is no determination yet that vaccine sufficiently reduced transmission, although there are preliminary estimates.
Read Bloomberg: Pfizer-BioNTech Shot Stops Covid Spread, Israeli Study Shows
There are other sources as well.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantEven 1 person dying from a vaccine is too much since it’s meant to protect not kill.
Of course one person dying is tragic. But dying of Covid is no less tragic, and in all likelihood, the vaccine will prevent a lot more deaths from Covid than it will cause.
The fact that the vaccine is meant to protect is irelevant. That doesn’t make one death from the vaccine worse than a thousand deaths from Covid, which the vaccine prevents.
Besides as I mentioned in my posts, we are talking about the LONGRUN. Noone knows what side effects this vaccine has whether in a year or 2 or 5 or 10.
Nobody knows for sure, but there’s no reason to believe it will be so bad.. We do know, however, the the long term effect of dying from Covid. The person remains dead.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI believe there is no determination yet that vaccine sufficiently reduced transmission
There is.
If you grant that I am correct, and they act the same as possible people who were vaccinated, is it muttar to kill them?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThey are basicallly rodfim.
I think they are wrong, but rodfim? Would you literally kill them?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantOf course the virus killed people, but most people survived.
It certainly true that most people survived.
It is also certainly true that most people survived the vaccine.
It is most likely true that taking the vaccine is much more likely to save lives than not.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAAQ: L’chaim!
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBlump
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI know you don’t believe in vaccines, and maybe you don’t even believe in corona, but most people do.
They are trying to keep people from getting sick and dying.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantEverything I say you pick on with insults of “LIES! SHEKER!”
Perhaps if you stuck to the truth, she wouldn’t do that.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYserbius123, bravo, well expressed.
That’s a head scratcher, Reb E. Every other post of yours bashes only Republicans.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantTry the same with shailos for at least 50-50
No, you missed the point. It’s a siman, not a sibah.
Ok, true, if you realize that your priorities are wrong, perhaps focusing on finding bein adam lachaveiro shailos is a good trick to realign your priorities, but the shailos aren’t the essential issue.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBut I think the main contention here is not a specific halakha
Correct
The issue raised is whether we are allowed to deal with issues ourselves or need to ask any time there is a change from daily routine.
No, if I switch from Cheerios to Corn Flakes, I don’t need to ask. Skipping Kaddish, yes.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIs being dan l’kaf z’chus a positive thought?
I am being dan l’kaf z’chus that the Covid lockdowns and mask wearing have affected people’s midos, and really they are nice people. I hope the damage isn’t permanent and that after this is all over they will go back to being nice.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant“on the two sides of this argument, pro-death and anti-COVID, ”
With these words you have illustrated your inability to have a conversation.
This is right on the mark. If Yserbius would speak to 1000 rabbonim and mechanchim who disagreed with him, he would disregard all of it because they are all pro death.
The fact is that there are gedolim on both sides of the equation. But not according to Yserbius, because by definition they aren’t gedolim since they’re “pro death” r”l.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantFrom the CDC: Masks should NOT be worn by children under age 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing.
The person who I mentioned was told by his doctor that he cannot wear a mask for long periods.
(It was physical. If it were psychological it probably would have bolstered my point even more)
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWere you a pathological liar before Covid, or is this an effect of the lockdown and restrictions? Maybe the psychological impact of wearing a mask?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPro death? Another blatant lie. They are piling up.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI am not diving into the weird part of the internet just to find one or two obscure conspiracy sites that bolster your argument.
Not conspiracy sites. Real stories, on sites which actually are in favor of masks. But you won’t go past five sites because you don’t want to see anything behich contradicts your made up reality that masks are no big deal.
You have yet to bring a single rational argument about how the mild psychological affects of mask wearing somehow trump the major sakana of not wearing them (see: my drunk driving moshol).
Real life. Conversations with mechanchim.
I woud tell you to speak to rabbonim and mechanchim who don’t insist on masks and ask them the reasons, in a sincere way, but I’m afraid you are not able to drop your bias and hear real answers and accept that there’s another side.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantthat if someone had Hatzalah called because a mask inhibited their breathing,
Wow. You have a serious problem with the truth. Even while trying to wriggle out if it you still can’t help lying.
I did not say he called Hatzala. Again you made that up. Almost called Hatzala.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou totally missed the point (on purpose)
Unfortunately that’s his MO
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI am not too lazy.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/anti-face-mask-ywncr#post-1924084
It’s a 100% true story, someone did almost call Hatzala, and the point was to demonstrate that some people do have trouble breathing (google asthma and masks) and you distorted it and said I claimed Hatzala was running amok treating patients for mask wearing. And doubled and tripled down on that lie, along with others (masks don’t create problems with communication!).
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou are the one who lost all credibility, because although I suppose you can doubt the story happened, you have no way of knowing that it was “invented”. Among a bunch of other lies and distortions.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhen all else fails, double down on your lies and distortions. And add to them.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo, you should have asked a shaila instead of making your own assumptions
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t agree that Rush was talented
That’s unusual bias induced blindness. Most of his detractors acknowledge his immense talent. Most people are not talented enough to gain such a huge audience.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI answered the ‘ethical question’ in the thread and as of now I haven’t gotten any counter-arguments.
You did. The counterargument is that we don’t want antivaxxers to die either, regar sleds of their stupidity or defiance.
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantif you don’t mind catching the virus; that’s your problem is an ethical question, not a practical one.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNot ethical, practical.
Ethical. Practically, if someone decides not to get vaccinated, they might still get Covid and ch”v die.
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