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This includes D’oiraisus, let alone something like sleeping in the sukkah.
Sleeping in the sukkah is D’oraisa
The issue with sleeping in the sukkah has nothing to do with modern-day Chabad
I’m not old enough to know, but not everyone agrees with that.
If they didn’t sleep in the sukkah in Europe because it was too cold, that make sense, but making it into an inyan davka not to (even when it’s nice weather) is backwards.
Is it backwards that people davka don’t eat in the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres?
It’s k’neged Halacha, but it’s not backwards.
No, it’s not a bad thing
Then why did the Mittler Rebbe (supposedly) give mussar for sleeping in the sukkah?
I don’t know what the Mittler Rebbe said or meant, but if it’s as you explained, it’s not merely that Chabad accepted some type of kulah, but rather, it became a bad thing to sleep in the sukkah, which is backwards.
relying on memory
Yes
Chabad absolutely doesn’t reject that sleeping in the Sukkah is a chelek of the mitzvah, ch”v. The chiddush is only that they accepted the kulah of not sleeping in the Sukkah
What kulah?
I don’t understand how this conversation veered to how necessary internet is.
A car is a necessity, but I have never heard anyone demand that a tzedakah sponsor their brakes.
Yes, there’s kol isha on it
The worst part of the “minhag” not to sleep in the sukkah is the reasoning given which doesn’t hold water. And the fact that it essentially rejects a chelek of the mitzvah.
As far as the Rebbe’s infallibility, and I think this is what YB is saying, there’s a huge nafka mina.
Many Lubavitchers understood the the Rebbe thought he was Moshiach.
If he was fallible, the simple conclusion when he passed away would be to say that he was mistaken.
Since they didn’t accept that possibility, two possible resolutions were offered – either he hadn’t actually passed away (which is a meshugas) or that Moshiach could be from the dead. Without getting into whether that technically can be defended, it’s clearly not the mesorah in klal Yisroel and wasn’t in Chabad either until ג’ תמוז.
You need to go after the growing crowd who buys flat screens to watch Netflix … The way you get them is via free filters
Those people don’t want filters altogether.
I think what you want is to pay them to get filters.
And TAG should be the ones to pay them.
SCA explicitly was chartered to *not* deal with any religious issues. And, still, RJBS opposed it.
What does the “S” stand for?
Also you didn’t answer my question.
The Chazon Ish and Rav Shach etc. held to vote in Knesset elections despite that it’s the actual Medina, in order to fight the reshaim. Why is WZO worse?
Everyone was opposed to participating in the Synagogue Council of America. Even Rabbi J.B. Soloveitchik was explicitly opposed. Certainly the WZO isn’t any better than the SCA.
But he (as well as people who we would consider mainstream Gedolim) supported and support voting in Israeli elections.
Why is WZO worse?
SCA is worse because it’s a religious organization.
It looks like there are 2 issues in elections:
They have legitimate reasons to believe that it is against Hashem’s ratzon to join the IDF.
The fact that you can only ascribe selfish motives doesn’t say much about your having an ayin tovah.
It looks like there are 2 issues in elections:
Your missing what some consider more important: joining an organization which is anti Torah
if someone is going to reject the Gedolim who pasken that it is forbidden to participate in the Zionist Organization voting
Similarly, if you don’t vote in the WZO elections, you are rejecting the Gedolim who pasken that it is a chiyuv to.Wonder whether ujm has a rebuttal.
Sounded more like backtracking than a rebuttal…
That is what the gedolim in favor of voting in the WZO elections are saying – to take money from the reform and have it used for good purposes instead. And that’s what the ads (that I’ve seen) for EH are saying.
So you’re ok with voting for EH (or perhaps other frum delegates) as long as you have the right intentions.
That doesn’t seem to be what you were saying until now
So, they are severely limiting their choices to a small number of rich girls
Completely untrue, as are your extrapolated conclusions.
The boys who want to learn seriously for a number of years are the most in demand, and although there are of course exceptions, most want to do it for the right reasons, not to shirk responsibility.
I thought you were making a suggestion that would help the shidduch crisis. I guess not.
Dr. Pepper, don’t be so suspicious.
If you lived in Germany in the 1930s, would you vote in the Nazi party elections, since the Nazis are the party in power and the Nazi primaries determine the German government leadership?
If you had the opportunity to vote out Hitler ym”s, you wouldn’t?
(I’m not expressing an opinion about WZO elections, just that your analogy is inapt)
I think my true colors have come out. I don’t think Charedim should be exempt.
Exactly. And that’s why your righteous indignation at ywhat you
perceive as skewed priorities is completely baseless, since you completely devalue the other side.The Israeli military is ashamed machine despite your protests, and even if it weren’t, taking the lomdei Torah out of the beis medrash would be a tragedy which would affect all of Klal Yisroel both spiritually and ultimately physically as well.
Since you don’t agree with these sentiments, of course you don’t believe there should be tefilos for the yeshivo and yeshiva bochurim.
Stop pretending it’s about the hostages – the chareidim daven for them more than anyone else does, and your insinuating that they don’t care is disingenuous and despicable.
OpenDNS and the like are easily bypassed.
Keeping an unfiltered computer in a public area is a disaster waiting to happen. There isn’t always someone else home.Talkingtachlisnow26, let’s say I agreed with everything you wrote.
How would that solve the demographic issue?
According to you Yankel, what’s the difference between a Lo Avado Beinoni and a Tzaddik?
If you don’t mind me sticking my nose in, the tzadik was born with a yetzer hora but killed it thorough his avodas Hashem.
Why don’t I have a “right” to tell a tzedaka what their job is if they advertise as such?
I have never seen them advertise that they will pay for your filter. And it’s not self understood at all.
Tag holds itself as almost like your bies din making takonos
I don’t think that’s true. Even if it were true, you don’t need toisten to them. Listen to your rav. And if a school makes a condition that you have a certain level of filtering, that’s between you and them, not TAG.
And I think it’s borderline geniva that they don’t
Now you’ve gone off the rails.
So you’re suggesting that the market would support such a thing.
Other than your posts on the CR, I haven’t seen or heard of any demand for certification of shadchanim, so I don’t agree that there’s much of a market for it.trying to convince me to get filters when I am not yet convinced
Go back and read the OP again.
He is quite convinced that he needs a filter.
Chaim87, not sure why go think you have a right to tell a tzedakah what their job is.
And there is plenty of money for both.
Is that something you know for a fact, or something you made up?
It’s always so annoying to see people FUMING mad at some organization for not *sponsoring* something that they like.
Agreed. Not sure “annoying” is the word I would use, but agree that’s it’s completely unfair.
MS:
But what’s the nafka mina?The nafka mina is that since many Chabad chassidim (if not most or even all) considered the Rebbe to be infallible, and many felt that he had practically declared himself as Moshiach, when he passed away, they had no choice other than either denying that he had died, or changing longstanding mesorah (despite possible interpretations of some sources that could allow otherwise) in Klal Yisroel (including Chabad) that Moshiach will be a living person.
If there’s nothing that stops friends and family from redting shidduchim, what will stop anyone who is not “certified” (or whatever term you would use) from redting shidduchim?
And if anyone can redt shidduchim, what is the motivation for shadchanim to get certified only to subject themselves to discipline?
Bikur Cholim isn’t Tomchei Shabbos.
They don’t give out food because people can’t afford it, they give out food to people who are in hospitals and have a hard time accessing food.
TAG isn’t about funding filters, it’s about helping people access them.
If you want to start an organization that pays for filters, I don’t think anyone will stop you.
BTW the OP is one person, not 8.
👆 In case anyone was wondering what a “backhanded compliment” is.
The yetzer hora
more people than you’d think are not sold on filters yet
The OP is sold on filters. He just doesn’t want to pay for one.
This is the whole point of TAGNo, their point is to encourage and help facilitate installing filters. Their mission is not to pay for them.
As I said, I would have no problem if filters were subsidized/paid for, but the reality is there isn’t currently funding for it, and it’s unfair to blame any organization for that, and nobody should use that yo justify using an unfiltered device.
In the current world, even a bochur needs at least minimal access to web-based apps for purposes of updates on emergency situations, online banking and bill pay, summoning an Uber/Lyft for transportation needs, purchasing an airline ticket or changing reserverations, etc. Those who question the need for ANY computer or smart phone either live in a cave or suggesting others do so.
Tell that to the thousands of yeshiva bochurim who don’t have regular access to the internet.
You are the one living in a cave if you think bochurim can’t live without it.
I’m all in favor of subsidized or even free filters.
What I’m against is people feeling they are entitled to it, and using that as an excuse to be on an unfiltered device.
They should be offering free filters
If you would sponsor it, they probably would.
Unless you know that TAG has plenty of money lying around and are still not sponsoring free filters, I don’t think it’s fair to let it on them more than on anyone else.
Start with spending time with the child
The OP in this case is the child
As far as I know, TAG doesn’t charge for installation, but the filter companies do charge for the filters.
It’s expensive to develop and constantly update the software, and they have people on call 24 hours a day to open sites as needed, so I don’t think they’re overcharging.
I don’t know if that’s considered “exorbitant”, but it’s a necessity, not a luxury, especially for someone who’s struggling.
It would be nice if everything we needed would be sponsored as a chessed, but if it’s not, we can’t shirk our responsibilities with the excuse that someone else should have paid for it.
Techloq is $12.99 per month or $139 annually.
This isn’t בית דין
I think they want to have some sort of certification and, hopefully, meaningful education. They want stop you from offering a shidduch same way as hairdresser union is not going to stop movers from cutting their child’s hair (or will they?).
I assume you mean that lack of certification will not prevent someone from suggesting a shidduch.
So an optional certification. Ok, but I don’t see that as changing anything in a meaningful way.
How would you create a barrier to entry?
Would that exclude family and friends from suggesting shidduchim?How do you propose to make shadchanus into a profession?
Will that exclude some from suggesting shidduchim and carrying it through? If so, who will it exclude?
“Stam” meaning not family and friends.
If you meant something else, please explain.
“There’s a difference between a friend or family member who dabbles in shidduchim verses a shadchan whose only training and experience is that they “dabble” in shidduchim”