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Sam2 – I don’t have that gemara available with all the necessary rishonim where I am currently. Can you please remind me what they say? I remember hearing a shiur once about this sugya, and how midvar sheker tirchak is only for a specific situation according to Beis Hillel (dayonim, was it?). What source does it come down to lemaskana? Is it from veahavta lereeacha kamocha? I’ve forgotten the shiur, but I would be delighted if you could re-teach the hakk to me. Sam2, I enjoy butting heads with you. I get to relearn much hashkafa and Torah that I’ve forgotten from our back and forths… Like that Yaakov was the one who stole the brachos, not Yitzchak 😉 Hahahah! Joking about that specific one, but thanks!
Good night.
I know this topic wasn’t addressed to me, but does this mean I can no longer sit down in my burgundy robe, with tobacco pipe in hand, in front of the hearth on a brisk winter afternoon and sip on a glass of fine White Zinfandel while listening to my Tchaikovsky record?
And I responded in kind 🙂
ItcheSrulik – lol on the word “circa”. I know it means “around”, and shares roots with “circle”. And I know it’s colloquially used to refer to a year date and not to a length of time. However, it was too tempting, and I couldn’t to avoid the inserting of some old school tongue in there.
Sam2 – That’s not really true. Egyptologists have to dig to uncover ruins in similar desert environments all the time. And they’re often in the middle of the abandoned desert, not in urban areas. Courtesy of the Discovery Channel. Yes, I grew up with a TV in the house, oy vey! Now that I think of it, many of these Egyptian ruins are less ancient than the story of Sdom, and even they got buried…. Kal vechomer baby!
… I think he was joking dude :/
Zahavasdad, there’s a difference. The certificate is a kavod offered to people with (alleged) knowledge of Torah, and names on a wall is kavod offered to people for financially supporting the learning of Torah. Either way, you get more schar if you avoid all kavod. You would think the first group would now be knowledgeable enough to know to refuse or avoid showing brandishing such a certificate, while there’s no reason to have this blanket assumption for the second group.
@ workingharder.
Dear workingharder, let’s please not lose our cool. Nobody claimed there’s no schar in learning daf yomi. The tainuh that many gedolim have against daf yomi is that it has cheapened the quality of limud haTorah in kllal Yisroel, and replaced it with hype, shtick, and superficial learning.
If you are someone who already knows how to learn then there’s no reason to spend your precious learning time skimming through a whole daf of Gemara. You should learn it properly, slowly, like a mensch, without skipping the havana and iyun- which is the ikar in learning.
Ela mai, you might be someone who isn’t well trained, and doesn’t know how to learn… Well instead of taking that little time you have out of your business day to go to a shiur that blows through a daf in an hour (which is the average daf shiur time), with little understanding, for the sake of “finishing Shas”, you should be going to a real shiur that trains you how to learn, and teaches you proper techniques in learning.
It’s not that there’s no schar in daf. There IS schar in daf, but you shouldn’t do daf for the same reason that yeshivah guys don’t have a seder for Tehillim recitations.
I’ve always had trouble understanding this halacha in context with today’s technology. It’s a d’Rabanon so it has to make some sense. I understood the reason the Rabbis assurred it is because it would make us lose our focus on the aveilus, and that’s it’s not a chore that an avel wouldn’t do. So, I understand how back in the day, laundry wouldn’t be a weekly thing. You had to make your own detergent, or find money and go to the market and buy some. Then, it would be a shlep out to the river where you had to find a nice boulder to slam your clothes against for hours on end. Then, you would have to shlep back, this time, with heavy soaking wet clothes. Not to mention hanging them out to dry one by one, and then taking them down. It was a serious chore that took almost a day to complete.
Today, however, it’s a matter of pushing a few buttons and takes about 15-45 minutes of total work. Where’s the hessech hadaas from the aveilus? Answering a telephone call could take twice as long for some people, and yet that remains permissible. Could anyone please help me see this from a different perspective? I know we are not mevatel a gzeira d’rabanon just because the cause no longer applies, but it seems like we are ignoring the cause (ie: hesech daas from the aveilus, which applies to new things like phone calls and the like) and continuing on like lemmings with an irrelevant example of the central idea of the halacha. Not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to understand.
Lol.. Oops… brain slip. Thanks! As embarrassing as that mistake is, my point still stands.
Sam2- the Gemara is circa 2000 years old. Just bc it existed then, doesn’t mean it exists now. Also, look at all 2000 year old archaeology – it’s almost always covered by 10+ feet of earth. Things under 6 feet tall get buried very quickly.
Kozov – I wasn’t aware of that Gemara, thanks for informing me. I wonder if there are any mefarshim that hock on that halacha regarding sofek brachos. Still though, why would we assume that just because it was around 2,000 years ago, that it’s still around today?
Sam2, that’s not really the point. You can ask your local orthodox geologist about the necessary preconditions required to instantly fossilize large salt formations to withstand thousands of years of erosion (not to mention the fallout from an entire city being blown up right nearby). The point is; why assume it still exists?
Also, and again, I’m by no means a scientist, but I would assume salt formations that form slowly, over thousands of years, one grain at a time, are more likely to fossilize and harden than something that instantaneously turns into salt. I always imagined a consistency not unlike a chunk of salt that you sometimes get in table salt containers. But this second paragraph is all just my assumptions.
“????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????” That pasuk, and Shir HaShirim – although these aren’t tefillahs per se…
What if I don’t want a welcome? Is it mandatory? Do we have to go around the circle and introduce ourselves? I hate circles!
Thou shalt ignore the number “10”, in the title of this thread.
Sam2, don’t you find that a bomb kasha? Chazal matir a chamur issur such as lying, which they barely even sorta, kinda, almost allowed for shalom bayis (you’re supposed to try to twist the truth – not straight up lie), and all for the purpose of not answering one specific question. And yet, you would still find it permissible to ignore that unprecedented heter and answer the question? Even Yitzchak when going to get the brachos from Avraham didn’t straight up lie, he twisted the words… FOR THE BRACHOS!!!.. but it’s still okay to lie to avoid telling someone you learned shas, and you say that you don’t have to avoid the question?
Am I totally missing something?
I named mine Jeffery.
There’s one basic flawed assumption that everyone always makes when discussing this topic…
There’s nowhere in the Torah that says that the pillar of salt didn’t disintegrate immediately after Lot saw it. I don’t think it’s derech hatevah for woman-sized pillars of very brittle rock such as salt to last for thousands of years against the elements, and there’s no specific mention (that I’m aware of) that this one is the exception.
Sorry to burst everyone’s collective bubble.
mewho zeh, v’ayzeh who?
15% is plenty!
Guys… I think I’m being stalked too.. They know how many times I post, when, where. They read my every word! They know what posts I write in, and present all my information back to me… These mods are weirdooooooooooos!!!! 😉
People should learn with the goal of understanding, not “finishing shas”.
Isn’t there an explicit halacha against telling someone that you finished sh”as? You are supposed to avoid the question. In my opinion, having a certificate reeks of gayva. Besides that, why would a gadol sign a certificate when they can’t guarantee that the person who receives it actually learned every amoud? And besides that even, a very well respected Rosh Yeshiva and gadol who recently passed away, whom I will not name because of what people may say against him after hearing this, said… And I quote.. “Daf Yomi is mageyfah that’s destroying Torah in Klall Yisroel.”
That was good! Why do you feel that you need to be married to a gadol hador? Do you believe it is a shortcoming on your end if you marry a normal mentch who is shomer Torah umitzvot and growing?
I LOVE TAU!! Tau is the man!!!
I just clicked on your name and it goes to a page that lists your activity. Maybe that’s where this stalker got that information from. I wonder if the mods have any info regarding who clicked on your name the most.
One question though, how would the stalker make the connection between your YW-CR username and your username on the other website? Did you give out your name or any identifying info on either website? Maybe it’s someone close to you whom you personally know that knows your screen names?
Good luck!
NOMTW – When the mussar movement first started those who opposed it used to say that since mussar fixes middos, the only people who should learn mussar are those with broken middos. They also claimed you could get your mussar out of learning chumash and agadatah in the gemara, which is true, but today we aren’t wise enough to derive these lessons from these texts on our own. I assume that the stigma here is similar. Someone who goes to a therapist – who fixes psychological problems – must be someone with psychological problems.
The flaw in both of these ways of thought is that we need to realize EVERYONE has psychological problems. Not that everyone is loco, but that everyone has flaws in their way of thinking that cause relationship issues, anger issues, happiness issues, social issues, etc. These can be straightened out by mussar and guidance – assuming the person is open to growth. This is a short compilation of what I have learned from my rabbeim over the years when they spoke hashkafa on this issue.
It’s true that people go of the d, but we also live in a time where more ppl are becoming baalei tshuva than ever in history. There are plenty of “safety net” organizations out there that do help. You can’t control people to not go off the D. As unhappy as you may be about it, it’s a decision every individual has to make for themselves, and it’s not something you can prevent. You can only do your hishtadlut, and that’s where these organizations come into play.
The most important thing about advice, in my opinion; don’t give it, unless asked for it. And I know I just kind of contradicted myself because you weren’t asking about that, but yeah…
Otherwise you can use “What about xyz?” Where xyz is a possible option or alternative to the dilemma. When you come out asking it as a question you are humbly implying that maybe the person whom you are conversing with has already thought of it, and are also opening it up for discussion, without being forceful.
Wear a gorilla suit!!! 😀
If you are planning on paying someone to design and build it for you, ignore the rest.
There are a few things that may complicate it. Will you need a method of accepting credit card/paypal payments on it? Is it a “storefront” website, or just a text+image website? Will people need to register and log-in? Will you have flash animation or just basic HTML?
“How do I set up the functionality of it for my specific needs along the lines of the software.”
I’m not sure what you are asking, but you need to learn about building websites if you want it to be functional and successful.
You will need to understand the hierarchy system when creating different individual pages and eventually have hyperlinks from one to the other. Also, look into getting FTP (File Transfer Protocol) software and learning how to use it – I can recommend FileZilla.
You should definitely pick up a book on HTML coding and web page design and start learning. It’s true that you don’t need to code your site from scratch like in the old days, but it’s still essential to understand some rudimentary HTML and basic concepts.
Englishman, I have it from a very good source. Why don’t you believe it’s correct? The only issue here is disrespecting a sefer by putting a lesser sefer on top of it. Since it’s derech haolam to stack by size it’s not considered disrespectful. The only thing is that it has to be all Torah sforim. You can’t put a John Gresham novel in the stack.
It’s so annoying when wearing a shirt that you DON’T tuck in. The tzitzit corners bundle in the lovehandle area and make you look fat, or it pops up around the collar of the shirt and starts riding up your neck. There’s gotta be a way to wear these things without looking weird. The worst is when someone wears shorts and the tzitziot dangle from their pantlegs by the knees. That’s just yehareg v’al yaavor.
@ Repharim – nope. He was talking about emotional, psychological, relationship issues, and the like. One of his lines was, “Get the help you need!” Whether it be through talking with a rebbe, counselor, or therapist – whatever helps. It was very clear. There is no reason not to speak with people that can give us guidance. The only factor that we have to look out for is how qualified that person is to give us guidance. Sadly, the average guy with “rabbi” in front of his name isn’t qualified for non-halachic eitza, if only that.
I’ve also heard that, since it’s customary worldwide to stack books in order of size (with largest on bottom), that it’s not considered disrespectful to do it that way; even if the order of content isn’t chronologically correct.
It’s not your place to go up to random strangers and start giving them critique. Leave that to their husbands, friends, rabbis, parents, and other people that are in a position where it will be better received. If that IS your relationship to the person, and you think that they respect you enough to listen to you, then by all means… Otherwise, the majority of people (mammele excluded) don’t care about what an obnoxious, nosey, possibly crazy stranger on the bus thinks about their skirt. Use some seichel!
Hmm morahmom.. what if the poskim just paskened shailas on the CR? Then, instead of calling up the posek we could just do a Google search on the CR and find the tshuvas. You’re brilliant!!!
The dem’s spokesperson is a woman by the name of Debbie something-shultz I think. She’s stereotypically Jewish, the look, the talk, everything. They specificly hired her because they know that BHO is anti Israel, and they had to bring in a Jew who licks the ground that the guy steps on to portray BHO as pro-Israel. She never stops talking about how pro-Israel Obama is. It’s disturbing. The Dems know they’ve done wrong by Israel, or else they wouldn’t have hired this lady to represent them. The only question is, do the Jews who have a history with the left care more about Israel, or more about their liberal agenda. Let’s face it, the Jewish vote is mostly nonfrum Jews who often lean heavily leftward towards pro toeva, pro kol minei davar stupid, and other foundations of liberalism.