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As for you Health, you say the only thing that makes NK wrong is their willingness to meet with the enemy. If you think their hashkafas are okay, then yes, I have serious doubts about you. That doesn’t equal hatred, but if that’s how you need to misinterpret what I say in order to demonize me then you go right ahead. This conversation isn’t getting anywhere thanks to your relentless hostility. So, you can go pat yourself on the back and pretend you’ve “won”. I’m done here. Have a ksiva v’chasima tova.
Whiteberry – some people take every opportunity available to turn a discussion into an anti- Israel rally. Hopefully somebody will be mekarev them.
Symbolism isn’t superficial, but judging others by the color or material of the cloth on their head IS. Im a BT, and went to a large black hat Yeshiva where everyone wore felt yarmulkas. I bedavka stuck with my regular old black srugi style that I had before going there, and besheetah didn’t give in to the peer pressure of trying to fit in to the cookie cutter mold. Not to rub it in people’s faces, but to live by my creed that the cloth on your head doesn’t determine who you associate with, how learned you are, or your level of dveikus to Hashem. I’ll have you know I made plenty of friends there, was successful in learning, and was just as frum as the average guy there. If someone there felt that I was less frum than they are bc of the type of kipa I wore then I didn’t detect it, but they would have realized they were wrong when they saw that I became a key player in the shiur. I’m not saying this out of gaivah (I’m still anonymous after all), but I think it spells out my point very well.
Wow, oomis! Just cash in on all those points and you & all your daughters can retire!
Dr. Goq has a much better ring to it…
Whiteberry – lekulei alma still conversing here, singing it at the siyum is a ridiculous proposition. We’re discussing a side issue.
You’re all quoting the original issur, wonderful. We all agree there were shvuas. Where does it say that a person who tattooed his arm should have to amputate it? You’re all missing the point, and instead of accepting that there exist sheetos other than the Satmar’s you just lob insults at other Jews who are no less righteous than yourselves.
Sam2, I only just now saw your reply. Yes, that’s exactly how I understand Hashkafa. It’s the definition for how different sects treat various gray areas in halacha that are not confined to assur, mutar, or patur. There is not always a “correct” and “incorrect”, and sometimes some sects do things one way, while others do it a different way. Not necessarily because of halacha, but because of hashkafa. Hashkafa should not be invented by individuals, but can be applied by everybody. We can’t change our halacha to fit the times, but an adam gadol has the right to use his hashkafa to be dan in gray areas where multiple interpretations of the gedolim before him can be understood.
As a great example, the major Litvish yeshivas in the US and Israel were all started by talmidim of the same exact Yeshiva in Europe, but yet each one has a different way about going at it. Some focus more on mussar, others more on frumkite, some learn Maharals, while others stress mussar shmoozim on kochos hanefesh. Some learn bekiyus seder to cover more ground, yet others learn it slower and get more clarity. How could it be that all these roshei yeshivas and gdolei Yisrael, including Rav Hutner, Rav Pam, Rav Leibowitz, Rav Ruderman, Rav Kamenetsky, Rav Kotler, Rav Finkel, and others all have different ways of teaching talmidim if they all learned in the Slabodka under the Rav Nosson Tzvi Finkel? The Terutz is that each one has his own personal tchunos which influence their personal hashkafas. It’s not a matter of right of wrong, correct or incorrect. C”V that we should say that some of them “got it wrong.” This lesson is not my own, but something I learned from a very close senior talmid of Rav Leibowitz ztz”l, and who himself is an adom gadol meod and has had a role as a Rosh Yeshiva for many years. A solid hashkafa is real and necessary, and I’m sorry if your experience with it has been negative.
2cents. I wasn’t talking about your comments, but rabbiofberlin answered correctly.
Sbeph. What about people that have to have constant internet connection for work or whatever. These websites serve as a good tachbula to keep them busy when they aren’t doing anything work related and could possibly have a nisayon to go on less kosher websites.
Proud Hungarian. I understand his point very well. It’s you who misunderstood mine. His statement is so superficial and nonsensical that I had to respond with something equally so.
I don’t hold of the political medina, but I hold even less of those who think we can just say “sorry” and leave without people dying. At least the politicians in charge there are realistic. I don’t hate you personally because I don’t know how actively you protest against Israel and proactively pursue actions that will get millions of Jews killed, but i do hate Neturei Karta. They’re actively trying to get my entire family and all of my friends in Israel killed by Jew-hating Arabs. So, can you blame me? Neturei Karta are rodfim, and it’s not because they shake hands with Arabs. They’re chayav misa, and have no chelek leolam haba. That’s not my opinion saying it. I was told this by a Rosh Yeshiva, an adam Gadol, a tremendous talmid chacham, who was one of the top talmidim to ever come out of a prominent Litvish Yeshiva in NY. He was also a very close talmid of a recently niftar Gadol Hador. It’s not sinas chinom talking on my end, but I have serious doubts about you.
Umm, I haven’t met any Martians yet. They moved out because the Eruv wasn’t reliable.
Can anyone say “sinas chinom”?
Not all rabbonim are able to assist in shalom bayis, but not all rabbonim are unable to assist in shalom bayis. You have to know the Rav, and not assume every smicha is granted for knowledge in marriage counseling. Nonetheless, thorough study of mussar and appropriate chazal can prepare someone to understand psychology without ever having to open a secular textbook. Exactly like not all rabbeim are fit to give relationship counseling, so too are psychologists not all fit to do so. We can’t make generalized statements or sweeping assumptions.
The issur to have a tattoo goes on the actual action of tattooing. Once you have the tattoo you have no chiyuv to remove it mitzad the issur of kaakua. A nazzir swears off drinking wine, but if you cut him open and put wine in his stomach, he isn’t over an aveira. If he drinks it, he doednt need to vomit it out. So too the shvua prohibiting establishing a state goes only on the process of establishment. Once it’s established you need not remove it, it’s irrelevant to the shvua. Especially if it will get ppl killed in the process. The Satmar Rebbe’s psak is irrelevant now and if you push for it you will get 7 million Jews killed. Someone who pushes for the disestablishment of the state of Israel is considered a rodef and is chayav misa as such.
I need cake!!
Maybe the best thing is not to yell at our spouses.
Most, if not all, of us here are agreeing Zionism isn’t daas Torah. We aren’t into -isms (except Judaism) and innovative movements. The only issue here is how strongly, if at all, should we be moche against Zionism. While Health and the Neturei Katra feel we should be moche to the point of “machoh timcheh et zecher” haZionists, the majority of us feel that this is uncalled for and has no practical toeles. I know Health is going to bash me for including him in the NK camp, but they (and the Muslims) are the only other ones who use the terms “Zionist lies,” and “drunk with Zionist booze.” We don’t give in to the anti-Semitic propaganda efforts of turning “Zionist” into a four letter word. He’s also going to want to bash me for using the term “majority” when Judaism isn’t a democracy, but our beliefs are based in the ways of the majority of gedolim (even though he’ll claim they aren’t).
If you doubt the veracity of those of us refuse to join the clans of self hating Jews who hold hands with the enemy and claim they’re “real Torah Jews”, maybe you should ask someone more reliable and less anonymous. I challenge you to go to local orthodox shuls in your community that say misheberachs for tzahal soldiers, and ask them which poskim they got their heter from.
“greatest” – source please.
Sam2 – what of issues such as, but not limited to:
Wearing colored shirts. Is it assur if done in a respectful manner? How much should we push communities and talmidim to dress certain ways? Some communities in Israel were known to look down upon people who wore felt yarmulkas without an edge ribbon. They held felt yarmulkas HAD to have edge ribbons. Why is this wrong? How far does dress code go? Is jeans and a polo shirt okay?
Derech halimud. Who told those Amoraim which beis Medrash to spend more time in? Should a Yeshiva have a 4 hour night seder, or a 4:30 hour night seder? What about kollel guys? How many days a week should the high school boys have night seder? How long do we make mussar seder?
A small Jewish community is having a unity fair/community event and all affiliated Jewish institutions and organisations are attending, including orthodox, reform, and conservative ones. Should an Orthodox Yeshiva take part in the event (assuming it’s a 100% kosher event)? What if the city is bigger/smaller?
What if the Yeshiva will lose funding if it doesn’t participate, and that will cause a reduction in the amount of boys who will be zoche to go to a Yeshiva in the community the coming year?
What if it’s a frum unity event but modox institutions are participating?
How do we hold regarding negotiating with the Israeli government to reinstitute the Tal Law? Do we not negotiate and let them take bochurim to jail? Do we negotiate and try to ease the severity of the law? How long should we negotiate for? What sort of sacrifices are we willing to make to allow the majority to sit and learn?
Obviously, some of these issues are easier to label as “halacha” than others. Many of these issues are “hashkafic” issues. Our gedolim make some of these decisions with their daas Torah, but that daas Torah doesn’t come exclusively from the Shulchan Aruch. A hashkafa is just a word to describe a derech hachayim that comes from psak, mesorah, agadeta, maasei Rav, personal experience, and minhag. It’s not necessarily a “halachic psak” that kollel guys should wear ties, but a Rosh Yeshiva may say that’s the Yeshiva’s hashkafa, and demand the men follow it.
If somebody tells you good Shabbos you must answer them with a good shabbos.
If you’re talking about pressure cooking pots then it’s a safety valve to prevent it from exploding. Pressure influences boiling temperatures, which in turn influence cooking results.
Otherwise, releasing the steam from the pot allows more steam to be emitted from the liquid into the air in the pot, which makes the dish dryer.
3 – strictly for morality reasons, and for their disregard for political correctness.
Health why are you assuming that just because nobody explicitly and publicly argues with the Satmarer Rebbe that they all agree to him, and that therefore we should all follow his psak? Maybe it’s because his sheeta isn’t the pashut pshat, or maybe it’s because of a million and one other reasons? I’m personally neither Chassidish nor Ashkenaz, and I don’t follow any of the Satmarer Rebbe’s teachings or any other Chassidish Rebbe for that matter. If you want to follow your Rebbes that’s fine and dandy, but you have absolutely no right to call Jews who follow different sheetos liars and deceivers.
WIY – There’s a LOT of misinformation online. Make sure you read articles from certified and recognised computer firms, not from no-name tech geek blogs and user edited forums. Defragging might not always be effective, but it doesn’t do any damage other than occasionally deleting old system restore points.
Sam2 do you believe in a hashkafa, or do you believe everyone who has one is trying to create loopholes? I’m just trying to understand what you said earlier.
Wow… Since when have I been sugar coating “everything”? All I said is that you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Besides, why do you feel such a burning need to call out someone who keeps 612 out of 613 of the mitzvahs? Kshot atzmecha, ve’achar kach kshot acheirim. The bottom line is that we have to defend the lives of Jews in EY. The IDF deserves our blessings for putting their lives on the line to do just that. Even if some of their manhigim take a kochi ve’otzem yadi approach. Hopefully everyone will be chozer btshuvah bimhera beyameinu. Let’s not lose our cool.
Why the heck are people still commenting about such a ridiculous topic??
A fish THAT big, will probably tear the tzitzis (and me) right in half. So no, still can’t catch fish with it.
Oy vey- do you know what other rishonim there say?
Goldersgreener. Tzitzis, tznius, kashrus, and Torah learning are not of “practical application”, but kids’ shoelaces are? Ah hah…
Ybrooklynteacher – you realize the Coffee Room is an international web forum for frum Jews of all shapes and colors? Your rant would probably be more effective if you published it in your school newsletter. Your post is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of people on the CR.
Even those of us in the CR who have small kids that wear shoe laces on their shoes and attend kindergarten, probably don’t go to your friend’s school. And even if the do, they probably aren’t in his/her classroom. And even if they are, the people in the CR who read it are not going to go buy new shoes for their kids because of your post. You aren’t even asking for advice, where people might actually have shaychus. You’re just blowing off steam for somebody else’s problem, and you’re doing it in the most irrelevant of places. So how could you expect anything other than cynicism???
Oh goodness, you’re right! Avraham probably wore a turban and a jalabiya. I’m going to the Arab market first thing tomorrow morning!!
Why isn’t this lashon hara?
“Typical Zionist Lie!”
Health, you realize most Zionists today are religious Jews, right? Who do you think is out there risking their lives by settling the land? Not the chilonim. Stop talking about them like the Muslims and skinheads do. They’re your brothers, and you are starting to really sound like the anti-Semitic troll posters on goyish news websites.
I always get asked by random people to come fix their computer because it’s running slow and has viruses. I’m not trying to advertise, but everyone should get the free program CCleaner from the website FileHippo. Just Google CCleaner and it should come up. It cleans your computer from junk and temporary files that it accumulates over time. I clean people’s computers with it and it often gets rid of GIGABYTES worth of junk. Run it daily and it will keep your pc running smooth. I can also recommend “Malwarebyte’s Anti-Malware”, and/or “Spybot Search & Destroy”. These two are very effective FREE virus cleaners, but they don’t provide active protection, so they don’t weigh down your system. If people knew how to clean their systems they wouldn’t need to buy new hardware all the time. You should also defragment your disc drive every so often. Windows has a program built in that does this, but you need to run it manually.
Squeak, you say that now, but just wait til you hit 75!! Actually, I don’t know if it’s because of their arthritis, or if velcro was just the biggest fad in the 1950s…
Yes
Lol. I agree. But think of all the space age technologies that are
being developed by NASA for space exploration. Some may make shoelaces obsolete!
My favorite website to buy from is Tigerdirect. They have some of the best prices available, and really friendly customer service. You can check out products and reviews on their website. I’ve been using them for years.
Have you lost your mind, or are you just trying to get others to lose theirs?
Whaddya mean? It’s educational!
I am not a Zionist, but I am an anti-antiZionist. In the goyish world people who are anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic, and I feel like I must side with the Zionists against them, even if Zionism is krum in many ways. How can we side with the bloodthirsty enemy to bash Zionist Jews, even if their beliefs aren’t hashkafikly sound?
OOM, in general I would reply with the rule of the internet #16: “There are no girls on the internet.”
But frum websites are likely exceptions. I guess I’m just used to the nonfrum derech hatevah of the intrnet.
apushatayid, too many Litvaks here, huh? 😉
Lol you must have a really awesome marriage then, if your husband originally hung out with you without even knowing you were a girl. I hope my future will be fun to hang out with 🙂
It’s got a huge hole in the middle for the head. So probably not.
Yehuda Tzvi, on a side note, I read once (forgot where) that the red string is supposed to ward off ayin hara by resembling a worm and letting those who see it think of the wearer’s lowliness and prevent jealousy that causes ayin hara. If that’s the only reason it supposedly works then I don’t get it because nobody knows this interpretation of the red string.
In regards to your hamsa. I’m no posek, but it seems to me since it has Hashem’s name on it you can’t discard it without treating it as shaimos. If you really like how it looks, and have a huge desire to hang it up, from the sources you quoted it sounds like it’s mutar. Otherwise, why not just give it away to a nice Sphardi family who will make good use of it?
Oy vey- thanks for the response. “Fishnet” tzitizis aren’t really made like fishnets or any other nets. People just call them that because the material has many tiny holes that have the resemblance of a net. I don’t think this psak would apply, but since you’re already in the parsha, does he mention anything about polyester?
I use, “don’t take it personally, I’m allergic to cooties.”