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Joseph……In general I agree with your numbers. I would add 3 years in the Litvish and MO communities for those in Medical < Dental and Law schools…Perfectly acceptable to delay to finish a professional education.
Our 4 child finished Law School in December. She had done a year of Seminary after High School before college, add 4 years college and then law school and she was 26 when she married just before Pesach. The new son in law is Litvish. He was also 26, they met in Law School, fixed up by a professor.
As a father, my first response is “?What? you’re going to a hotel on a first date?”
But seriously, I preferred that my daughters who were not living at home when they were dating, not have males come to their apartments and meet in a public place for safety reasons.
Coffee Addict………..
No, in essence I don’t have a smartphone. My tablet or Kindle Fire does not have a camera for still or video operations. I have no apps on them either. They are used for Internet for business/legal research and retrieving email sent from the office while I may be at a client or in court.
I do not have texting set up on my phone, and although it has a built in rudimentary camera there is no way I can send the photos anywhere Unless I buy additional plan features (not interested). I had an earlier slide phone years ago that had a removable card so I could upload photos to my computer. None of this technology appeals to me and I’ll not spend extra to have it.
Joseph………..
I don’t belong to or support AARP.
I have no problem with the Samsung phones we got from Verizon about 5 years ago. Never took an upgrade, never has a single problem with them. Our kids took all the upgrades over the years.
When my youngest got an iPhone 6s Plus she asked why I don’t have one. Mrs. CTL replied…that’s because poppa doesn’t have a wealthy father.
My children have smartphones, but use them for business or school purposes. I don’t find the need for internet access on my phone. I’m seldom in a place where I require internet that doesn’t have accessible wifi and I either have a tablet or my Kindle Fire with me.
Mrs. CTL and I both still use ordinary flip phones. Never got smartphones and don’t want them.
Youngest daughter is doing a BSRN.
A&P is a very difficult course. Her college did not require college Biology as a prerequisite. All of her friend taking a BSRN in our state Universities were required to take college Bio first and it made A&P much easier for them
She had no problem with Organic Chem, it was all math and memorization…
BTW….she as no intention as working as a nurse, she will follow the family tradition and go to law school. BUT, she and the next older sibling have decided they want to open a division of the family firm to deal with Personal Injury and Medical Malpractice (areas of the law we do not currently handle) and this would be a good background for her.
I never wanted to practice in that area of law and when I discouraged it, daughter reminded me that my maternal great-grandfather was an ambulance chaser back between 1900- and 1914 for a Manhattan law firm. Then it was a lawful profession and lucrative as well.
Ben Levi……………….
“It so happens that in the current environment it appears that the conservative are the ones that are more respectful of religious rights.”
WRONG…Conservatives are only more respectful of their OWN religious rights and beliefs.
They want to bring back prayer to the public schools.
They want to not allow Muslims to build Mosques and practice their religion wherever they would like in America
They want to have their version of biblical items on public property..e.g the 10 Commandments statues in the courthouse and state capitol (Kentucky and Oklahoma). The version wasn’t that which appears in the Torah.
The list goes on…………….
Health………….
RIDICULOUS…you make claims about a case that went to the Supreme Court and won’t cite it. There is no such thing as it has private information. If the case really went through the court system is is public record. This is not a family court case where names and information may be kept secret to protect minors.
You have no concrete evidence, you just are slinging accusations.
Trump’s call for a TOTAL ban on Muslim immigration is not the same as non-vetted as you now write.
You have lots of experience backpedalling………….
You can back upo nothing you have said. In fact anti-immigrant includes
those who are not here legally, and Trump is anti-immigrant, except when it comes to the two women he made babies with.
I through discussing this with you, it is a waste of time, you appear to have consumed the Trump Kool-Aid.
Health…
this is the FIRST time you refer to a ‘case’ that went all the way to SCOTUS and the court did not hold as you seem to think the law requires.
Please cite the case…I’d love to look it up
I have more than a clue what Trump is about. He is an opportunistic businessman, who has gone bankrupt repeatedly, had three wives, committed open adultery, stiffed workers. He is blatant in his anti-immigrant status…nonsense from the grandson of German immigrants whose grandfather ran bars and houses of prostitution in Canada.
You make statements about what I want without knowing what I want. You state I want everything to continue as it is. That is not so. I’d love to reduce the size of government, eliminate the stalemate in Congress, provide universal healthcare, make the tax rates equitable by eliminating many loopholes, have a Constitutional amendments to overturn Citizens United, eliminate the Electoral College and elect the President by popular vote and many more things.
Khol…is a crayon type eyeliner…………
I’ve seen the bills for the ladies of the house
Health……………..
Honesty NEVER fails me.
You still have not defined “they” instead you mock the the law and the courts.
The law is a thing, not a “they”
The Federal courts do little hiring, judges are appointed by politicians, not hired. The only court you mention has Jewish judges for 100 years.
But, all of this is a diversion from the thread’s topic, the OP’s accusation that Frum voters who cast their votes for Clinton are unfortunate.
That action is on;ly unfortunate for Clinton’s opponents in the race.
Health………….
I went to college before there was a Touro and law school before there was Touro or Cardozo.
I went to Ivy league college and law schools.
I was told the Jew quota was closed at Princeton and Wesleyan in the 1960s
You don’t have to prove anything to me, you are a person with only a screen name. BUT you made a claim of ‘they’ and didn’t identify who ‘they’ are…I merely asked you to tell us who the pronoun meant.
I have made reasonable accommodations for employees religious observances when hiring where possible. I have also received them over the years before I had my own firm.
There is no Goyish favor in going to an Ivy League college and paying large fees. Today, one is admitted based on performance, not quota. Gone are the days when you had to identify your religion and provide a picture on your application.
Health……..
Who is “they”
The law requires reasonable accommodation for religious beliefs/practices. It does not mandate accommodation in all cases.
I remember applying to college and being told the Jew quota was closed. Now the discrimination (if it exists) is not blatant and open.
kaganas………..
I find your OP offensive and condescending.
I find nothing unfortunate about my support for and intention to vote for Secretary Clinton to be the next President of the US.
I am a Democrat
I am an elected member of local government
I am on my municipality’s Democratic Town Committee (in CT that also means city)
I am a State delegate.
I think Trump acts like a buffoon and brings down the image of America all over the world. He is a failed businessman, who stiffs working people. He is an adulterer who is thrice married and I don’t want Melania living in the White House. He does not understand foreign policy, he cannot get along with others. His ‘my way or the highway’ attitude will not work in government, we don’t need a dictator.
I have known both Clintons since they were in Law School at Yale more than 45 years ago. They have amazing intellect, are able to work well with those across the aisle and fell she will continue the nation’s rebuilding from the GW Bush recession/depression of 2007/8.
I have had the misfortune of business dealings with Donald Trump. He tried to buy some properties owned by a trust I administer years ago. His word was not reliable and we walked away.
I personally would pay more taxes under a Clinton administration that under plans proposed by Trump. BUT it is not all about me. It is what is best for America and its citizens in the long run.
Trump attracts haters and that is not good for the Jews. This weekend he held a rally within 15 minutes of my home. He attracted white supremacist supporters holding banners stating “Diversity = White Genocide” We as Jews know far too well about genocide (that rally was actually on the 9th of Av). We are a minority that has benefited from the protections of liberal Supreme Court decisions in the application of the Bill of Rights. Mr. Trump wants to build a wall to keep people out. Don’t forget that wall will also keep people in…if you know your history the name for the enclosure is GHETTO.
My family arrived in the USA in 1868. We have fought hard (yes including in the US army in the Spanish American War, World Wars 1&2, Korea and Viet Nam)and domestically to attain social equality, the civil rights act that lets you live where you choose, not be denied employment because of religious beliefs, get prayer out of public schools, etc.
Trump’s policies and beliefs will set us back 100+ years. Don’t sell out for the perceived ‘make us great again’ nonsense. America is Great. We don’t need a return to the 1950s when most of us would not be welcome in most of America.
Joseph………….
Maybe that is because she does have an expensive sheitel………….LOL
Joseph…
Mrs. CTL and I are in our 60s. There will be no more pregnancies for her.
Joseph………..
You make me smile. I’ve never had to fly while pregnant. We did go England while Mrs. CTL was pregnant with our first child. We didn’t fly, but sailed on the QE2…at that time it had a full kosher kitchen.
90% of my air travel is First or business class, but it generally is paid for by my clients and the time in the air is often work time.
In my mind it is not the flying that is the problem for pregnant women, it’s the shlepping of carryons, lines, crowds, long walks through the terminals and exposure to the recycled air in the planes that are detrimental to health.
Get friends to like and share your posts on social media. Most important is to comment as it pushed posts to the top of a page. A like will not do so. Onec you name is regularly being liked on social media, it will show in Google searches.
Zahavasdad………..
I believe you mean GENETIC diseases, not generic (such as a virus).
I have a close friend whose grandparents were first cousins and great-great grandparents were also first cousins. She and all the females in her generation have toes missing bones. They are also carriers of the Fragile X gene causing autism and mental retardation. All of their children are afflicted with these disorders..some mild and some requiring them to be kept in institutions.
And if you wonder why I have a close friend who is female, we almost married years ago, but when the premarital genetic testing was done the fact that she was a carrier came out and she decided she would not bear children and to remain single. She is a great Tzedakis, caring for assorted afflicted nieces and nephews giving her sisters and brothers-in-law needed respite.
16 1/2…the state minimum age here in CT. All 5 of ours got licenses as soon as legally possible. They proved their responsibility and their curfews became relaxed over time. It was a great relief when they could drive to school and we did not have that duty.
CT has time restrictions on new drivers (not after 11PM) and they can not drive non-immediate family members for the first 6 months after getting a license..so no dragging friends to school or malls.
OOT, driving is essential, not a luxury…we don’t have the public transportation options of metro NY or other large cities.
13 years ago when I broke my leg I relied on the kids to drive me to clients, etc for a few months, glad they all were proficient and licensed. MIL lives next door. From the time the kids were driving they took her on errands daily. My kids also had summer jobs and cars were necessary to get to and from work. All 5 had their own cars by the time they were 18….
BTW, only the boys getting licenses raised out insurance rates, rates did not go up for the girls.
I also taught all of them how to drive a stick shift. In an emergency you should be able to drive any vehicle that is available. BUT…they are not allowed to drive MRS. CTL’s 1971 Jaguar XKE Convertible…that’s off limits (even to me).
Sparkly….
Thomas Edison State University IS accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education…the same people who accredit Penn and Princeton and many more
I’ll be spending the August vacation period with my children and grandchildren in residence at the CTL homegrounds.
We have worked out the hours for male or female swimming in the pool and use of the hot tub. The kids can play tennis or basketball or soccer in the yard or on the court. We’ll have enough for our own minyan and eldest SIL will be giving a daily shiur. The girls will do some serious back to school shopping.
Day trips to local attractions and minor league sports, will get the boat out on Long Island Sound for some fishing and fire up the outdoor grills for most meals.
Hopefully all the family in attendance will cheer up Mrs. CTL after her many health issues.
So nice to be able to accommodate the entire family, and have them here more than for Pesach.
Popa…………
we were at war. but having to wear glasses in a jungle war in steamy temperatures didn’t make a lot of sense.
Neither does your discussion of why I was assigned a particular draft status about 45 years ago.
First you question why I wasn’t assigned a classification that did not exist then you try to second guess a Selective Service Review Board who are all dead and buried. There are far more important things to discuss that affect our current and future lives
popa_bar-abba
2B did not exist at that time!
Draft Classifications during the Vietnam War
Draft Board Classifications
The following is a list of Selective Service classifications
that could be assigned by draft boards:
I-A
Available for military service
I-A-0
Conscientious objector available for noncombatant military service only
I-C
Member of the armed forces of the U.S., the Coast and Geodetic Survey, or the Public Health Service
I-D
Member of reserve component or student taking military training
I-H
Registrant not currently subject to processing for induction
I-0
Conscientious objector available for civilian work contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest
I-S
Student deferred by statute (High School)
I-Y
Registrant available for military service, but qualified for military only in the event of war or national emergency
I-W
Conscientious objector performing civilian work
contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest
II-A
Registrant deferred because of civilian occupation (except agriculture or activity in study)
II-C
Registrant deferred because of agricultural occupation
II-D
Registrant deferred because of study preparing for the ministry
II-S
Registrant deferred because of activity in study
III-A
Registrant with a child or children; registrant deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents
IV-A
Registrant who has completed service; sole surviving son
IV-B
Official deferred by law
IV-C
Alien
IV-D
Minister of religion or divinity student
IV-F
Registrant not qualified for any military service
IV-G
Registrant exempt from service during peace (surviving son or brother)
IV-W
Conscientious objector who has completed alternate service contributing to the maintenance of the national health, safety, or interest in lieu of induction into the Armed Forces of the United States
V-A
Registrant over the age of liability for military service
The benefits of living OOT.
All frum Jews send their kids to the one orthodox day school. Chances are it is run by Chabad and full of Litvish, Syrian, Israeli, EuroTraditional MO, and the children of the Lubavitchers running the place.
The kids daven at school from Tehillat HaSem, and follow the Chabad luach. They go home and follow their family traditions and attend different shuls with different nusashim. BUT the community all works together to ensure there will be a vibrant school to serve all who want to attend. and they will be supported by non-frum members of the community and Federation as well.
Joseph…………..
Private home with private beach on one of the small privately owned out islands will avoid that problem.
NOT CHEAP, but it can be done.
1.Joseph
2. Zahavasdad……..
1. The Selective Service Review Boards are civilians who hear appeals of the Selective Service classification assigned to registrants. With no active draft, we are held as a reserve. We receive a few hours training and get updates to laws, etc. to read and keep in our files. It is a volunteer position.
2. Register and forget it..NO. One must notify the Selective Service of any change in status. This INCLUDES change of address, marital status, criminal convictions, leaving full time school for the workforce. There are actually penalties for non compliance, but are not currently enforced.
The Selective Service still exists so that if G-d Forbid America needs to draft soldiers the mechanism is in place.
My Zaideh was drafted into the US Army during WWI (1918), My father during WWII(1942), FIL-Korea (1952) and oldest brother Viet Nam (1968). The local Selective Service Review Board sided with me on my appeal of classification in 1971 (bad eyesight) and I went from 1A..cannon Fodder to 4F. Stay safely in the states.
Akuperma…………..
Sorry, to burst your bubble. American did NOT ban conscription. It justr happens that we don’t currently use it. BUT, all 18 year old male citizens and many resident non-citizens must register with the US Selective Service System within 30 days of their 18th birthday so that if a draft is implemented it can work.
Failure to register will make one inelligible for Federal student loads, etc.
Disclaimer: This OOT Baal Habayis, local politician sits as an alternate on the regional Selective Service Review Board
I found it very interesting and enjoyed many of the speakers. I think it served it purpose to instill a feeling of party unity and harmony.
I attended my first National Democratic Convention back in 1968. They are truly media events. The platform is decided in meetings between the major primary vote getters and the delegates are presIented with a fait acompli.
I enjoyed seeing old friend/acquaintances from across the USA. I am supporting Clinton because I have no faith in Trump’s ability to listen to reason and not shoot from the hip or shoot off his mouth. He is an equal opportunity offender.
Having known Clinton since she was in Law School at Yale in my hometown of New Haven, I can say that she has stayed true to her political beliefs. Trump has been all over the place, pro-life, pro-choice, Democrat, Republican, middle of the road, pseudo conservative. But mostly he has been an opportunist who only looks out for Trump.
I just came from a Town Council meeting that took 4 hours and was dealing with buying 4 acres of land. The general consensus of the Republican majority on the Council was that they’ll vote for Trump, because he’s a Republican (and they vote party line) but they’ll not campaign for, donate to or install his yard signs or bumper stickers. He embarrasses the party members.
Sparkly…………
I was born and grew up and still live in CT. My parents and older siblings were from NY. We are what we used to call European Traditional Jews. Father’s side is Litvak, mother’s side-German-a mixed marriage. In the USA since approx 1868. Still observant. We all went to day schools then either half day yeshiva for high school and public high school in afternoon for secular and then college and professional schools.
My kids did day schools and yeshiva high schools, the girls a year of Seminary before college, boys two years of full time learning before college, then law school.
We typically are the Jews who maintain the local shuls, including those where we used to live as well as the cemeteries and support all Jewish Day Schools in the state, Federation, Hillel, Jewish Family Service, the local mikvehs, and all the collectors who pass through.
Active in local politics, and I am a Liberal Democrat, I still give to Agudah and have an endowment fund at Ezras Torah. We live well, but don’t have to keep up with the Cohens…no noveau riche McMansion in Monsey, Deal or New Jersey.
My great grandparents started on the lower east side, my grandparents and parents in Brooklyn and the Bronx, working their way up the socio-economic ladder while not foresaking orthodoxy. We are not like the post WWII immigrant community or the great post 1980 shift to the extreme right. We get along with all factions. I’m as likely to write a check for Kiryat Sanz Laniado Hospital as the ADL…a misnagid who believes in supporting all Jews and their institutions.
We make money the old fashioned way, we work hard for it. We save, invest and give tzedaka.
To quote the old Ex-Lax commercial:
“Normal is what’s normal for you.”
Every family and/or community has different standards.
Our family is of the baal batim class. We attend yeshiva and/or seminary then college and professional schools.
Thus we don’t marry as teens…22-23 is our norm, later if delaying marriage until finishing Law or Medical Schools.
Other families marry off their children as soon as they have finished high school or its equivalent level in a yeshiva.
Personally I don’t feel many children this young are equipped to run a household and educated enough to earn a living to support spouse and children. I believe a parent has the obligation to educate their children, I don’t believe that a parent has to support married children who are ill-equipped to earn a living. A helping hand is one thing, total support is another.
BTW, this is not a new phenomena in my family. Both sets of grandparents married in NY in 1919. My grandfathers were both 24 and had established their own businesses, One grandmother was 20, the other 19 and both had completed high school and a year’s bookkeeping course. Both did the books for the family’s business throughout their married lives.
My parents married in Feb 1944, one week after mom graduated college, dad had finished the preceding June and was working a war job for the government in Washington DC.
My brothers and I married at about age 24-25 after finishing law school. My sister married at 21 immediately after finishing college.
Three of my children are married, all attended professional school and were approx 24 years old at the time of their weddings.
This is not the typical of those who plan to spend their life in Chinuch, but someone has to earn enough to support all our institutions.
Time for Truth……………
A lawyer doesn’t push/argue his/her beliefs.
It is his/her job to advocate the best and highest interests of the client. The attorney is the mouthpiece, not the moral compass.
This is why in law school students are trained to write for both plaintiff and defendant (civil trials), or Prosecutor and Defendant (criminal trials).
I don’t believe in the death penalty, but in law school I had to write an appellate brief to uphold a death penalty decision in the trial court level. It’s all part of the education. Would I take such an assignment in private practice? no But it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t know how
DOV…………
Most Frum law school grads will not be hired by white shoe firms.
That hasn’t changed in 100+ years.
I’m mid 60s and a grad of IVY league University and Law.
Not a chance that the white shoe firms were interested in a new hire that has shabbos and yuntif time limitations on billing x thousands of hours while slaving away trying to make junior partner, unable to do client luncheons, not shaking hands with clients of the opposite sex, not wanting to be in private (closed door) meetings with opposite sex, etc.
One of the reason I started my own firm many years ago. My children and SIL who are also lawyers and top tier grads did their internships/clerkships with government agencies and judges so as to avoid those problems. Then they came to poppa.
You can make a lot of money (or not) in law without being employed by a white shoe firm.
bek_2125
I state first that I am not an advocate for any particular law school. None of my family attended the schools being discussed here. I have hired graduates of all three in my firm over the years. They got a couple of years private practice experience in family law, trusts, estates and contracts and moved on as no hires are considered for partner, only family members.
I do not think Touro Law is worth an additional $100,000 in expense compared to CUNY Law. CUNY Law mandates and provides a year of clinical experience that is invaluable when seeking a job. Many other law schools have limited clinical positions or only offer clinic as independent study…you have to find a position, report to and have it approved by a faculty advisor you see a few times a semester and pays thousands of dollars for the privilege of doing so. At CUNY Law you’ll work in a Queens firm representing the poor in all kinds of legal work…criminal, housing, immigration, family, product liability, consumer protection, etc. You’ll try cases under the supervision of licensed attorneys. Many law students never get this experience before graduation.
All law schools will have professors whose idealogy is different than yours. You are not going to law school to be indoctrinated, you are going to learn law and the mechanics of the American (and state) legal system. If you plan on staying and practicing in NY, then CUNY Law may be just fine for you.
Syag……….I would never violate the commandment of honoring a mother by saying she was rude. I would be amenable to calling it blunt.
RebYidd23…………
Mrs. CTL has one sheitel that was made from our 28 year old daughter’s hair when she cut off 30″ of growth.
All it cost to be made into a wig by a local stylist was a couple of hundred dollars.
Our daughters all wore long straight hair that reached below their waists when they were single. When they would get summer cuts of 10-12″ of yearly growth it would be donated to Lock for Love (for cancer victims). When the 28 year old decided she was too old for this look (about 5 years ago when she finished grad school and was to be married) she presented her mother with the cut hair as a loving gift.
Syag….from Hausfrau to rag on head were the sentiments of my late mother, who disapproved of such in public. Not the German way
Syag………
The last paragraph contained an opinion (Hausfrau) of my late mother who was a very proper German-Jewish-American lady, always wearing hat and gloves when she left the house.
The observation about hearing Chemo comments when wearing a headscarf was related to me by my wife.
To quote Mrs CTL…..
You can wear Polyester and schvitz or natural fibers and be cool.
If you want a wig, you want the comfort of Human hair.
A stay at home housefrau might wear a scarf on her head, but women who also have a profession outside the immediate frum neighborhood are not going to walk around with a rag on their heads. The few times Mrs CTL wore a scarf (granted it was an expensive one), she could hear colleagues whispering and questioning whether she was undergoing chemo and had cancer.
Sparkly…………..
These are not top tier Law Schools………
Touro Law Tuition $47,000 per year
CUNY Law Tuition $14,000 per year
Stern is an Undergraduate college, no law school..it is part of Yeshiva University and its Law School (Cardozo) costs $55,000 per year.
While Touro and YU are “Jewish’ institutions, their Law School are loaded with non-Jews. The main advantage of them are no classes scheduled on Yom Tov and kosher food in the cafeteria. BUT if you live in NYC these can all easily be commuter schools and food is not an issue.
Having spent a lifetime in Law and with two of my children and a son in law also lawyers, it is all about graduating and passing the bar exam and getting a license. Unless you plan to work for a major Law Firm or the Federal Government the school is not the deciding factor in hiring. Your performance, where and for whom you clerked and your published law review articles and summer internships make the difference.
I am also biased in favor of the CUNY system (not just for law). It allowed my parents and many of their Great Depression generation a path out of the low income class with a free and excellent education (based on competitive examination entry). My father A”H went on to law school and a successful business career that enabled him to prosper, raise a frum family and support Jewish institutions. My Mother A”H went to Hunter and later attained 3 post graduate degrees at public university and had a 40 year career in Education.
Cruz was assuring himself a lead position for the 2020 Republican nomination after Trump loses the general election in November 2016.
If Trump wins, Cruz would be out of play until at least 2024 and traditionally the sitting VP gets first shot at the nomination, so he could find himself out of the running for 16 years.
I’m hoping Trump loses and Cruz has alienated enough Republicans that they pick another poor candidate in 2020.
I admit my Democrat bias
akuperma………..
Liberal Democrats (I’m one) don’t like Trump better than Pence. They don’t like either one. It’s not a comparison on a ratings chart.
I’ll do my best to see that Trump is not elected President. I don’t have to waste time on Pence, because if Trump loses, so does Pence.
Living here in a CT, I’m not concerned that Trump will win our Electoral votes.
BTW>>>Congratulations to the residents of Indiana…you have now shed yourself of Governor Pence effective the end of his current term.
coffeeaddict……………
No I would not say gun violence is caused by guns. Gun violence is/are violent act(s) committed by people using guns.
Am I in favor of Americans owning guns…no. Do I believe the 2nd Amendment permits Americans to own guns, yes. BUT I also believe that the 2nd Amendment allows government regulation of gun ownership…the key words in the Amendment being ‘well regulated militia.’
So even if an individual claims to be a militia of one, the militia can b regulated.
I’ve been many times. In Dublin and Shannon I’ve worn a kippah. In country areas or in a pub for a beer with work associates, I wear a cap.
As a whole the Irish are not anti-semitic and are welcoming
Abba_S
Your theory of good schools increase/maintain home values is the one we use in local government when selling the education budget to town residents each year.
When our school rankings fall, home values lag behind those in area towns.
I’m a prime example of someone with no kids left in the schools who pushes for education funding to maintain real estate values.
The current administration of our town has cut too many corners on the education budget for 6 years. Quality is down and real estate prices have not rebounded as in neighboring towns. Last night I was at a Town Zoning commission meeting and 2 mid 30s attorneys tendered their resignations announcing they had bought homes in the next town because our schools have gone downhill. Neither has sold their current home and both expect to take losses, but their kids education comes first. These are Goyim, but Jews can do the same.
I remember in the 1970s when the topic of Federation funding for the local Chabad Day School in the New Haven area came up. It was passed because it kept white Jews in town during a period of white flight and would shore up property values. This made economic sense to non-frum Jews and millions have been allocated in the past 45+ years
Coffee Addict
You blew it with 10 out of 10 car accidents are caused by cars.
10 out of 10 Car accidents involve cars. Cars and/or their drivers are not always the cause.
I live in small town America. In 1992, I was driving my car and was hit by a 10 year old girl on a bicycle who rode out from behind a tree and smashed into my passenger door.
It is common in the spring and fall, for cars to be hit by deer running out of the woods.
Finally, on June 28 1983 I drove over the Mianus River Bridge on I-95 returning home from a Mets Game. 10 minutes later the bridge collapsed into the river taking 4 vehicles with them 3 people were killed and 3 injured.
None of these car accidents were caused by cars
karlbenmarx………….
How can I be wrong when I was specific that I was NOT talking about the NY Federation?
As I said, if you want something from Federation you have to get involved and stop treating them as the enemy.
If you do not participate and advocate for your particular cause you will not receive anything.
Popa_bar-abba
This past year our youngest child started college (after doing a year of seminary).
She came home for a long weekend in October. Motzei Shabbos she was going out with friends. When asked when she’d be home she replied by 1AM. She was told she had an 11:30 curfew.
But daddy, the curfew in the dorm is 1AM.
My reply, when you come into the dorm after midnight you don’t disturb your parents. Here we don’t fall into a deep sleep until you are in safely and the doors locked and all lights out.
As the iconic 1950s TV show title read: Father Knows Best.
You may not agree with every rule some other parent makes, but unless abusive or illegal, we do get to set the rules in our own homes.
Sounding like my father A”H
What I tell my single children:
“When you live under my roof, you live by my rules.”
In fact, If I’m supporting you at school, you also live by my rules in addition to the school’s rules while you are in the dorm or apartment.
When you live in your own home and are self sufficient you may establish your own rules…until then…Momma and Poppa rule
Joseph…
comparing Federation allocations nationally makes no sense. The vast majority of Jewish Federations exist in places without orthodox day schools or yeshivos.
That’s why I highlighted OOT Federations I’m familiar with who all allocate funds to orthodox day and high schools if they exist.
OOT Jewish life is far different that in town. It’s not unusual for Jewish business people and professionals to belong to and pay dues to multiple synagogues. We support the shuls we grew up in even if we no longer live in the area. After all, OOT the shuls generally own and keep up the cemeteries, not lansleit or for profit businesses as in NY and NJ.
When New Haven had a litvish Day School in addition to Chabad it got Federation funding. Bridgeport uses the fund the former Hillel Academy and does contribute to both the New Haven and Stamford Day school where Bridgeport area kids attend as commuters.
If Hareidi NYers expect NY Federation to fund their schools then they have to get involved with Federation. They can’t say we won’t work with non-frum towards the grater good and still expect a handout.