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Abba_S
My daughter has ZERO intention of living in Australia after marriage. The only boys under consideration are interested in moving to and living in the USA.
If there was to be an engagement, the boy and parents would be coming here to meet us. Wedding would be here.
They sell travel health insurance policies…she has one now.
Abba_S
You are so wrong……………….
What mommy wants, mommy gets. Mommy made the contact with the shadchan.
We have never pressured our children to marry early. We prefer they finish college and professional school first. Our daughter who married this past April finished law school in December, took and passed the February Bar exam and married before Pesach.
After Pesach, Mrs. CTL had life threatening medical issues. She spent 23 days on life support in ICU and has had 10 surgeries since. Her entire attitude about seeing our youngest married soon has changed. Our youngest has agreed to enter the shidduch process because she wants to marry while Mrs. CTL is well enough to take part in planning and the simcha.
Daddy has stayed out of this decision…all he’ll do is write the checks and be supportive of daughter’s decision.
Personally, I’d rather she marry an American, she’s 6th generation and I rather not see her consider moving down under.
Winnie……
I wasn’t insulted.
I have Teflon shoulders, nothing flung at me sticks.
I believe in the concept of the citizen legislator, not career politicians feeding at the public trough.
Here in CT our state legislators are part time and are paid only $28,000 per year. They depend on other jobs/professions to support themselves, not government.
I serve on my Town Council. Not only are we not paid, but we are not reimbursed for out of pocket expenses such as office supplies.
Last election cycle, I spent less than $100 my campaign. I stopped at or called more than 5000 households in my council district. ???? ???? works wonders…people toss campaign mailers directly in the trash.
Nechomah………….
When you live OOT and are traveling a great distance and at a great cost to another area it makes sense to line up multiple shidduch opportunities.
It’s not like you can easily return in a week or two to meet someone else.
In fact, Mrs. CTL did not ask the shadchan for multiple dates for our daughter. The shadchan suggested 4 possibilities to meet during our daughter’s stay down under.
As for dating one person on Thursday and another on Friday>>>>back in the early 1970s when I was dating, it was not unusual for a boy to have one date Sunday afternoon and another Sunday night.
Abba_S
I just dropped youngest daughter at JFK. She’s off to Australia for 4 week vacation during college winter break. 4 shidduch dates have been arranged during the first 10 days. This leaves time for additional dates if she finds one a ‘possible.’
She told us she told us she was going to visit former camp friends and Mrs. CTL put the shidduch process in motion.
Moshe from Midwood…
Midwood is in NY. Is your relative also in NY???? The state website says “The weighted average rate increase for the individual market in New York is 16.6 percent for 2017.” So the premium increase should have been about $275 not $500.
I am very specific about having ACA coverage through the CONNECTICUT Health Care Exchange.
I am not an Obama lover, I am a Trump hater.
MW13
Remembered by whom?
For the CTL family Obamacare (actually Romneycare) has been a lifesaver.
Our silver level policy underwritten by Connecticare (our insurance carrier prior to the ACA)costs us $600 less per month than we paid 4 years ago. Our 20 year old is still covered on our policy. The annual 1 million dollar cap no longer exists. Mrs. CTL spent a month on life support in ICU and has had 10 surgeries this year…amount billed approaching $3 million. Our out of pocket: $980
We did not have to give up a single medical provider and gained several previously not covered by our plan.
ACA is different in every state. The Health Exchange here in CT works well….BTW my premium for 2017 actually decreased $5 per month. The only change in our coverage is an increase to $700 deductible per person in 2017 from $500 and the family maximum deductible rises to $1400 from $1000.
Joseph…was is not is
No one cares that McKinney had a caucus post in the past. She left the party.
As for Ellison, details count. Those in Minnesota are ‘fellow travelers’
Joseph…………..
You are missing the modifier: certain
and certainly, none of them are here in CT
Sharpton is a washed up has been with no power
I see you accepted my corrections regarding the non-Democrats Ellison and McKinney
I’m proud to live in a blue state
Winnie the Pooh……….
How do you define ‘politician?’
Some define it as anyone elected to public office.
I am elected to an unpaid local government office. I also am a member of my local Democratic Town Committee and have been a delegate to state and national Democratic conventions.
I like to believe I have good middos
Joseph………..
Jesse Jerkson and Al Towanna Banana Sharpton were not recent candidates and have no following of consequence in the national Dem party. Even Jerkson Jr is gone from the scene.
BTW>>>Keith Ellison is NOT a Democrat. He is a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party…the Minnesota affiliate of the Democrat Party.
There is a difference.
Cynthia McKinney is a FORMER Democrat. She was defeated in the 2006 Democratic Primary in her Congressional District. In 2008 she unenrolled from the party and ran as the Green Party candidate for President (losing to Barack Obama).
“current Republican bigots/hypocrites/Jew Hating, white male supremacists”
My comment referred to the majority of Republican Presidential hopefuls during the primary season. It was not aimed at the David Dukes of the world who choose to affiliate with the party. Those miscreants are no better than the southern white supremacist Jew Hating Dixiecrats of 1948-1968
Flatbusher…………….
confusing comment you make….
I’m not repeating what Dems are telling me. I am a lifelong Dem, registered as such since 1972 when I voted in my first presidential election for McGovern, not Nixon.
I have seen many changes over the decades, platforms and leaders come and go. I am an elected official, I am a delegate to state and national conventions.
That doesn’t mean I agree with every statement and action by every member of the party.
The big difference is that I am in agreement with most of this year’s platform and opposed to much that was in the R’s platform.
Joseph
You can hate Jews while still supporting the govt. in EY, while you can be Frum and not support the govt. in EY. The political move by Tricky Dick didn’t change him from being a Jew Hater.
Joseph…and Tricky Dick Nixon, the Republican POTUS hated Jews.
What’s your point???
Parties can’t stop individuals from registering as members
To quote an old Rock and Roll song:
“It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to, you would cry too, if it happened to you.”
I don’t have to approve of every action made by any particular member of my party. But there is no way I’d align with the current Republican bigots/hypocrites/Jew Hating, white male supremacists.
Meno……………….
I never mentioned fines.
The garbagemen simply tag the can as a violation:
Overweight
Mixed with recyclables
Forbidden items and leave the full can on the curb.
The homeowner then has to either correct the situation or transport the can to the transfer station and separate the items for disposal, recycling, etc. and buy disposal tickets for construction debris.
I’m currently taking down a sheet rock wall in my home to move a staircase entry. All the sheet rock is getting bagged and on Tuesday, I’ll take it to the transfer station, buy a $10 construction debris disposal ticket and unload the bags.
golfer
Bad or boorish behavior should never be rewarded
You’ll find that the deplorables on the right and the malcontents on the left are both loud and ignorant. However, they do not run the state parties and saner views will prevail as we move forward.
Those us us who don’t like Trump, don’t want America and Americans to suffer, just so he may go down in histyory as a terrible President
mw13……………
Most Clinton supporters are NOT dwelling on dreams of removing Trump from office.
They are forming plans of action to deal with changes in the laws and programs of the Federal Government and to elect a different President in 2020.
I am an elected Democrat and a member of my Town and State Democrat Committees. We are busy working to achieve our goals in 2020. BTW>>>my state went blue and EVERY single member of Congress and the Senate from CT is Democrat. For many years we had a Democrat majority state legislature and Republican Governor…we know how to work across the aisle to achieve results. Republicans are not our enemies, many of them just have views we don’t support.
Cattchyourself:
If Trump is sworn in on January 20th, then he will have been inaugurated…too late for fantasies about it not happening.
Yes, I voted for Secretary Clinton
Almost certainly, indeed…”
The certified winner should be sworn in on January 20th. BUT only Hashem knows what may occur between now and January 20th. I wish Trump no harm, but maybe Moshiach will come before noon on January 20, 2017
Geordie613
In 1973 My paternal grandmother (who lived in an apartment building on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn), complained to my maternal grandmother (who live in an apartment building on the Grand Concourse in the Bronx) that her building was going Schvartz.
My Maternal grandmother commiserated and said 3 black families had moved into her building as well.
NO, my paternal grandmother explained: Not black people, Jews in Black Hats!
Joseph
Are citizens obligated to follow standards?
Yes, they are obligated to be within reasonable tolerances of the standards when non-compliance can cause legal ramifications. In the case of too young a child left in charge of younger children, there would be no fine, but could involve government supervision ordered for the children and/or family, removal of the children from the parents control, mandatory parenting classes, or C”V if there was an injury or worse while the child babysitter was in command, the parents criminally charged with child endangerment.
How does one know what the standard is? In this case, I have seem posters at the public libraries, notices in schools, a person could call 211…Government help line and ask.
Are the same standards applicable statewide? There are variances:
For example, the age of a child permitted to walk to and from school alone would rise in a community that does not have sidewalks. It’s called using common sense. Also, here in CT if the child lives more than 1 mile from school the community must provide free bus transportation.
I live 1/2 mile from the local elementary school in my district, on the same street. It is a hilly, curvy, heavily traveled road. There are no sidewalks. NO children living on my street are permitted to walk to school. Even children living 200 feet from the school receive bus service for safety reasons.
Lightbrite……………
A municipality has no direct relationship with the renters of real estate. The lease establishes privity of contract between landlord and tenant.
As such, the municipality can only fine the owner of the property for snow removal that was not performed in accordance with the local statute.
The landlord could have language in his/her lease that obligates the tenant to remove the snow and specify that should there be fines issued by the municipality for non-compliance with the statute, the landlord , having provided proof he/she paid those fines, shall be promptly reimbursed by the tenant.
From a practical experience, if the tenant does not reimburse the landlord and the landlord brings action in court (small claims for the money, or housing for eviction<violating terms of the lease>). The landlord will lose.
Why? A good defense attorney will simply show that the landlord paid the fine without affording the tenant who was accused of noncompliance with the statute a chance to defend action/nonaction in court. A landlord recieving a $100 fine wouldn’t go to court to defend, too expensive, thus tenant loses chance to dispute fine. The tenant, not in privity of contract with the municipality acn’t protest fine…no standing.
DY and YY
One of the benefits of drinking black, unsweetened coffee, is that a good cup still tastes goo hours later at room temperature. The creamer doesn’t go bad.
Lightbrite…………….
RebYidd23’s comment might be read as if it is acceptable to restrain a child who is about to hurt someone. It is not acceptable to restrain a child who is about to kill someone. Since the final pronoun follows someone, it should refer to someone, not the child.
Lilmod
Why tipping government employees can be considered a bribe and be illegal
Re: Trash collectors:
When I lived in New Haven we had municipal trash collection.
Weight limit per can: 75 lbs
No mixed recycling with regular trash
No construction debris: sheet rock, broken pieces of porcelain toilets, sinks, etc. No insulation.
No leaves or grass clippings.
Maybe if I tip the regular garbagemen on my route, they will overlook transgressions. Instead of tagging the can as a violation, and leaving it on the curb, they might just tip it into the truck and cover the forbidden trash with other garbage
lightbrite
And I don’t care
Yichusdik
My apologies…that’s why I constantly post that I explain the law as it is in my jurisdiction.
The definition I gave of assault is not CT criminal code, but the Common Law definition in the English and American legal systems
Joseph,
Society sets standards and government in the US is made up of society.
In this area children are permitted to walk to and from public schools alone as of grade 4. Prior to that they must be released by the teacher at dismissal to a parent, guardian or designated older child who is in at least 6th grade (approx age 11-12).
Again, in CT these are standards, not laws. DCF or a judge can be convinced that you have made a responsible decision eaving a 10 year old with a 5 year old for 2 hours in the afternoon or early evening, not that a 10 year old should be putting 4 younger siblings to bed for the night and parents not return until after 9PM
Achieving achdus with other Jews in the community is much easier when you live OOT and are outnumbered by the goyim in great multiples.
Those of us business owners and professionals frequent one shul, but typically belong to all and donate to all the Jewish institutions in the community…Chabad or Schecter Day schools, all shuls, the JCC, Federation, Hadassah, B’Nai Brith, Hebrew Free Loan/Burial, Jewish Family Service, etc.
Presenting a united front is very important in galus.
20 minutes after writing my response, I rec’d an email from our town’s Recreation dept. That an American Red Cross Certified Baby Sitter course was beginning January 3rd. It is open to 11-15 year old adolescents, BUT the certification of completion can not be issued until participants reach their 12th birthday
Can is physical ability.
May indicates permission.
Here in CT an 11 year old can be physically capable of babysitting for a 4 year old sibling, but the legal standard says the babysitter should be at least 12 years of age.
This is a standard, not a law, if a complaint is made the judge has leeway in making his judgement
Lilmod…….
You are correct that if you are dead, you personally do not pay for the plot. However, the cost will most likely come from your estate (if you have any worth) or your relatives.
Standard language in American wills is that first the decedent directs that all his/her burial expenses be paid before any other disbursements are made. So, even though you may be dead, you still pay from your funds.
Lilmod…………
You do not live in the liberal northeastern US.
Very often, busybody strangers will call Children’s Protective Services if they see an adult hit a child (even a potch on tuchas). CPS (DCG here in CT) MUST then conduct an investigation, as they are charged under the law.
The investigation can cause duress, and the end result is that the parent did nothing wrong. But why subject yourself to the process if it can be avoided.
Rebyidd23………..
If my garbage was collected by government employees, my tip could be considered a bribe and its acceptance could be an illegal act by the recipients.
However, here in small town CT we have no municipal garbage pickup. One either takes the family garbage to the transfer station each week or pays for private companies to pick up at the house.
I am very appreciative of the work these men do, lifting the heavy barrels, never spilling any on the lawn or driveway, replacing the the barrels neatly in their place with the covers on.
When I lived in a city with municipal garbage pickup, the employees would throw the can lids like frisbees, spill trash all over the place and toss and dent the empty cans with no respect for private property,
I have never ordered cholent in a restaurant. I have had it offered as a choice in the dining room of a hotel when staying for Shabbos. I declined the offer.
I can’t imagine why I would order cholent if presented with a full menu of choices.
mommamia22…………….
Better for whom? The deceased or the survivors left behind chutz l’aretz?
Visiting and davening at the kever can bring comfort and closure to the surviving family members.
Each person should make his/her desires known to the family, as well as make financial preparations to carry out those wishes.
DO NOT rely on funeral/burial instructions in a will. Jews bury too quickly for a will to be probated and an executor appointed to carry out the instructions in the will.
My family does not send bodies for burial in EY. I can say that it is very comforting to visit 5 generations of our family in the family cemetery in Queens. When my children were pre-adolescents a visit to the family plots help to explain who we are and who we came from. It brought the family tree to life. Seeing the kever and praying at the kever of one for which you are named is a powerful and empowering thing.
You attempted to hijack the thread for a related question, the answer is that it is all about the relatives and their desires….
There is no one answer: better or worse.
Rebyidd23………
If you think garbage collecting is a thankless job, I wish you did it instead of the men who will receive the holiday thank you cards and checks I just made out.
It’s not my holiday, but those goyim who provide me with regular service: mailman, garbage men, newspaper carrier, etc. ALL get thanks…both written sentiment and $$$$ this time of year.
I love a really good cup of coffee. I’ve been drinking it for more than 55 years.
That said, I have paid for and pushed away or thrown out hundreds of cups of coffee, which were served to me or sold to me, that were not really good.
Sugar (real or artificial) and cream may cover up the shortcomings of an inferior cup, but I drink my coffee black. If it’s not really good, I can’t be bothered.
BTW>>>I don’t drink it for the caffeine rush or pick me up. In fact, it relaxes me. I often have a large mug just before I go to sleep for the night.
I don’t drink decaf or instant…I consider them a joke. If you enjoy them fine, I won’t belittle you.
Meno………..
Why you pay more if you wait to buy a plot when someone dies:
#1 you are at the most vulnerable point in your life. dealing with grief and overwhelmed with making plans.
If you need it fast you may be charged a premium for quick turn around, legal fees for deed, etc.
#2 An organization may hold you hostage for x number of years of membership dues, prepaid maintenance or perpetual care.
#3 You may not be prepared to lay out the required funds to by adjoining plots for other family members.
#4 Some cemeteries or associations allow plot owners to sell unwanted plots to the general public. These plots are often offered at prices well below what the cemetery’s current retail price. Chances are the owners (or their ancestors bought the plots years ago for a fraction of the going rate).
I posted above about the empty plots next to my maternal grandparents in Beth David..Elmont, LI, NY. My uncle is buried in Florida and my aunt will be interred next to him when the time comes. They have no descendants left in NY. The plots were purchased in 1967 for $500 each. If you try to buy direct from the cemetery today you pay more than $3000. Every year or so, my aunt runs a classified advt in a LI Anglo-Jewish paper offering the plots at her cost. Eventually, someone will decide that the price is a bargain, even if the plots are in a section for a Verein composed of Jews with roots in Bavaria. For you eastern European Jews…Verein is the Yekkische equivalent of a landsmannschaft
Yichusdik……………
NO!!!!!!!!!! It is NOT assault. Please see this attorney’s post>>>it is BATTERY. You post the common misconception of assault. Assault is putting someone into the fear of imminent bodily harm. Assault requires no contact. The victim must feel threatened by the words and actions of the assailant.
Battery is the unwanted and/or harmful touching of another without permission.
Often the charge is assault AND battery. The assailant threatens to punch the victim in the nose and follows through immediately with his fist. But if an assailant walks behind you, you don’t see him, and he smacks you on the head with a brick it is merely battery. You can’t be afraid of what you don’t know is coming in the immediate future.
Never buy before marriage (if you expect to marry at some point). You may find that your future spouse may come from a family that has plots, or has a strong desire to eventually be buried near his/her family.
My great grandfather bought 360 plots for a family cemetery back in 1919. My wife’s father had bought plots for his immediate family here in CT, but didn’t have the foresight to provide for sons-in law or grandchildren. We’ve told my eldest SIl that she can have Mrs’ CTL’s plot for her husband if needed, Mrs. CTL will be in our family in Queens after 120 years.
As to the age 30, 40, 50, etc. It depends upon when you have settled in a community and expect to remain there long term (for those not choose to ship remains to EY for internment). OOT, shul’s generally own the cemeteries and the plot may be free with membership. My maternal grandmother convinced my aunt and uncle to buy plots in Beth David (Elmont) when Opa died. Oma is buried there, but my aunt and uncle ended up making their permanent home in Florida, when he was niftar, she bought plots there as she would not be traveling to NY to bury him or visit his grave, their children and grandchildren are in Florida. Eventually the plots in NY will become abandoned property and be used for those unable to afford plots.
Git Meshuge…………
Cholent was NEVER ‘universally’ made the same way. The contents varies according to means and availability of ingredients, as well as the tastes of a particular community.
It gets its name from the French word Chaud….hot as corrupted by travel into the Jewish enclaves of Ashkenaz (Germany) them east to the Pale and Yiddish speaking communities.
It essence, it is a derivative of a French ‘pot au feu’ a pot on fire that contained beef broth as well as meat and vegetables, The pot stayed on a hook over the fire’s coals at all times in a home or inn and ingredients were added at will, leftover cuts of meat, vegetables and scrapings, some bits of starch such as potatoes (after 1500), barley, beans.
The way I cook in a kettle on a tripod by our cooking hearth is in this style. I often add what is left in a bottle of wine or beer or ale and leftover bits of meat and vegetables from the fridge, just as a French innkeeper or housewife might have done.
Everyone’s cholent is made to the cook’s whims or taste. My cholent made in the kettle has far more broth than the glop I have been served in many Litvish or Galitzianer homes. The cholent I make in a covered casserole in the brick wall oven by my fireplace is served on dinner plates as sliced pickled rolled beef roast with root vegetables and gravy on the side. This looks like a fine meal that might be served in a German Inn with vinegar based potato salad with onions and pickled red cabbage as the starch and veg sides.
I dare say that when my Great-great Grandmother was making cholent in Bavaria in the 1850s it was not of the same ingredients as that served in eastern Europe. My Grandmother, born in NYC in 1890 told me that she never encountered barley or beans in a cholent until invited for a Shabbos to my father’s grandmother’s home after my parents were engaged. Their lineage was Litvish and although arriving in the USA in 1868 they still made a starch dominated cholent that was thick and heavy.
Ash……………
It’s obvious you did not read and follow my post:
#1 have child checked by doctor and the doctor will report abuse if there is merit to the child’s version of the events.
After #4 I write:
“The above all assumes the action is true and that the child did not strike the adult first and he was forcibly removed in an act of self-defense.”
How dare you say I suggest punitive legal action without finding out the teacher’s version of the events?
Before you make accusations, make sure you read every word in a post, understand and digest them. Attorneys choose their words very carefully, even when posting under a nom de plum on social media sites such as the coffee room. I never suggested legal action without making sure the child’s version was accurate and that unwanted and unauthorized physical contact by a school employee occurred.
No information was given in the original post as to the jurisdiction where this occurred (or that it was made up). I regularly post that my legal opinions are as the law applies in CT. As posted, the school employee would be guilty of common law battery…’the unwanted and illegal touching of another’ In most states in the USA, corporal punishment by school employees of students is not legal.
BTW>>>The school principal I mentioned from a big city in CT had her appeal thrown out by a CT Appeals Court today, it had already been decided against her by a Federal judge when she claimed she was disciplined because she was Black. The abused children were also Black.
Abba/S………..
The original post suggests that the Principal put hands on the child and tossed him out the door. Why then talk to the principal?
As for other yeshivos not accepting a student who had been manhandled at yeshiva #1 and filed an abuse complaint, shame on them…they should be exposed and baal baatim should cut off funding. We must protect our children, not the abusers who work in chinuch
Geordie……….
Actually, we start serving Fruchtsuppe from Shavous to Rosh HaShanah, but as a starter, not a main course.
The main course of the meal from Tu B’Svat until Shavous is usually cold joints of Roast chicken, Turkey, goose or duck, asst. Aufscnitt, and salads (especially pickled red cabbage made with applesauce) and rosti, or a cucumber/onion salad, spaetzel, and asst breads and crackers. As an homage to the asst Litvish in-laws a potato kugel or onion/noodle pudding might grace the table.
This year, I’m attempting to cure and make my own Metwurst. I’ve not had a decent kosher supply available for the past dozen years. I make many of my own wursts and have a small brick smokehouse in the rear yards which gets lots of use. I smoke poultry as I use to get in Joburg in the 1970s for when we travel, as well as cold Shabbos lunches.
No, Lightbrite………..
911 is for emergencies as they are occurring and authorities are needed for immediate action. In this case the child is out of the building and the offender is not an immediate threat. One should call the regular phone number for the police.
Calling 911 for this type of incident could delay a call for a firetruck or ambulance needed to save a life
Mazel Tov….wish I could send a gift. But the coffee room never allows enough information for such contact. So, I’ll put extra amount in my next check to a Kallah’s fund in your honor
#1 have a doctor check the child out…he is a mandated reporter in most states and will contact police and Child Protective services if he find merit in the child’s version of the events
#2 Find a new school
#3 Contact the Board of Directors of the current school, tell what occurred, that you are immediately demanding withdrawal of all your children from the school and full and immediate refund of all tuition monies paid for the current term. Let them know that it they do not immediately comply you will institute legal action, which may lead to police and government involvement and adverse publicity.
#4 Find out if this adult has a teaching/administrator’s license (unusual in most yeshivos) and contact the licensing body for an investigation.
Monsters like this do not belong in contact with children.
The above all assumes the action is true and that the child did not strike the adult first and he was forcibly removed in an act of self-defense.
Disclaimer: CTLawyer has brought pro bono actions in the past on behalf of indigent children who have been manhandled or hit by teachers or administrators. Three years ago a principal in one of CT’s largest cities took two children and dragged them down the corridor by theirs ears because the kids were noisy in the lunchroom. She was suspended for 6 months no pay, while a criminal investigation took place. Found to be chargeable under the law, she was convicted of battery, lost her professional licenses, was fired and is facing civil suits by the parents.
Note to all adults: If it is not your child KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF!!!!!!!!!!! If it is your child, be very careful how and when you physically discipline them, a potch on tuchas in public could lead to a social sevrices agency investigation.
As cold weather is setting in here in Connecticut, I shall start making cholent for this coming Shabbos. The main part of our home is 200+ years old and has working fireplaces used for heating and cooking. There is both a tripod where I hang a cast iron kettle that hangs above the coals or an oven built into the brick wall where I can place a covered casserole.
I use a pickled rolled roast as the main meat in my cholent if made in the covered casserole. I take it out and slice it when it is time to serve, ladeling the beans,barley, vegetables, potatoes and gravy alongside on the platter.
If I’m cooking in the kettle I use both short ribs and home-made link sausage the size of knockwurst. This is more of a stew and is ladeled out into rustic pottery bowls for each individual at the table.
We only make cholent from approximately Chanukah to TuB’shvat as after that I don’t always keep the fireplaces going. My family is spoiled and does not like the taste or consistency of Cholent made in a crockpot.
I also NEVER put kishke or potato kugel on the top of the cholent. There is enough crbs with potatoes, barley and beans.