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There is a good chance that most of the commenters so far in this thread do not have children ion public school, did not attend public school and are not on their local school board.
I attended public high school for secular subjects and Yeshiva high school in the morning for religious studies. My mother was a public school teacher, principal and retired as Asst Supt. of Schools.
I served two terms as an elected member of my local Board of Education. 4 of the 6 members of the BOE were parents of children in the schools. They had and have a say in curriculum.
Our school board is up for election this Tuesday. There will be 8 members (no more than 4 form any party may serve). of the 12 candidates 8 have children in the schools, the other 4 have older children who graduated already.
The curriculum committee and the curriculum director annually reports its plans to the BOE at a PUBLIC hearing. Parents may comment and challenge the proposed curriculum (and they do). Only after the hearings may the BOE adopt the curriculum for the coming year.
Parents and taxpayers have a voice, but only recently do they show up and make their opinions heard. For many years, few people showed up and spoke or asked questions at the public hearings.
For democracy to work, you must participate, not just gripe on line.
@Maivin
Most of what you post are NOT abbreviations, but acronyms…………………Abbreviations and acronyms are shortened forms of words or phrases. An abbreviation is typically a shortened form of words used to represent the whole (such as Dr. or Prof.) while an acronym contains a set of initial letters from a phrase that usually form another word (such as radar or scuba).
@RebEliezer
You don’t quite understand the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
Your statement that no one can be president more than 8 years is false.
One can only be elected to 2 Four Year terms. BUT, If a person (usually the VP) assumes the Presidency upon its vacancy (Death, Resignation) for no more than two years, that President may be elected twice and serve for no more than TEN years total.“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”
@Always………………….
Jews always supported Polish during Napoleonic times…(early 1800s). A lot of good it did when the Poles collaborated with the Nazis.My of my ancestral lines was from Suwalki. B”H they got out in the 1870s.
I have been to Poland a number of the times in the 1980s on business. I could not wait to leave. I felt as if I had a target on my back. I did not get that feeling in other Eastern Bloc countries or in Germany.As to your supposition that Solidarity led to 1+ million Soviet Jews being freed, I think that is quite a stretch. There were many reasons why the Soviet Union and later Russia were glad to be rid of 1+ million Jews.
I was born and raised in New Haven, CT. The firetrucks were and are WHITE. We owned a business in Hamden, CT the trucks used to be a Yellowish Green Color. Now they are Red with white upper sections.
The town I live in now uses red trucks.
40 years ago I was in business in Danbury. Paid firefighter drove red trucks, the volunteer companies drove the color of their choice.It is up to the individual municipality to decide.
@Always
Half the country did not change their opinion of President Biden. Many Americans did not approve of the way the US left Afghanistan, That is quite a different thing.Personally, I believe we never belonged in Afghanistan to begin with. I am reminded of the beginnings of The Labor Union Solidarity in the Lenin Shipyard of Gdansk in 1980. The union and Polish troops were fighting and killing each other. My father, Z”L said: ‘who cares? Let them kill each other they killed enough Jews over the centuries.
There was no country called Afghanistan until the British Imperialists created this political entity. You can’t make a country out of warring tribes. It has failed miserably in most of Africa, it failed in much of Asia as well. The British couldn’t handle it, the Russians were defeated and now the US and NATO allies have given up. We should have cut our losses and left long ago.
BTW>>>>I am sorry for the families of US service personnel who died in Afghanistan, BUT every single one was a VOLUNTEER member of the Armed Forces. NOT one was conscripted. They knew when they signed up there was a change their lives would be put at risk.I am thrilled we are out, and don’t care about internal power conflicts that will occur for decades to come. The country will probably split into new countries, as did Pakistan and Sudan
@Common
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The last football game I attended was in the old Yankee Stadium in 1962, People were well behaved, most men still wore ties and hats. I don’t remember beer or pushing and shoving, but people walking up the ramps in an orderly fashion.
I attended Yankees Games in the old stadium until about 1990, we had a box and the crowds were not as calm as in the early 60s.
Until Covid, I’d take the grandchildren to the local minor league baseball games here in CT. Beer wasn’t sold here in the stands and they had family sections.In 1970, I attended a Farbrengen at 770. The behaviors, odors and such are reflected in my comments. In the 80s I attended several Tischen in EY. I felt unsafe in terms of overcapacity and safety exits in case of fire. None of these had food or drink worth consuming, but that is not the purpose of the event.
I am not one who enjoys being in crowds and jostled and inhaling the personal odors of those in attendance.
I am Litvak Misnagid on the paternal side and Yekkeh on the maternal side. BUT, I support all varieties of Torah Institutions. That doesn’t mean I have to partake in their events.Nothing the LOSER (Trump) says to his sycophants is of interest to me. These fools continue to send money to support a lost cause. It reminds me of the framed $5,000 Confederates States of America Bind this is on the wall in my office. Some brainwashed fool sunk the family fortune into a losing cause in 1865. He got to cash exactly ONE interest coupon and was left with a worthless piece of paper.
Trumpsters are throwing good money after bad and the grifter in chief and his family continue to live lavishly on other people’s money.NO THANKS…Been there, done that in my youth, experiences not to be repeated. In don’t need the few drops of wine or morsels of dried out food that badly. The overcrowded and unsafe conditions and rank smell is unappealing.
I’ll decline and send a check.@Always
How did it work?
We were all local residents who lived home with our parents. No dorm back then. It was the height of the Baby Boom entering Junior High and High School. The public Schools were on double session, 8-12 and 12-4/ We attended Yeshiva from 7:15-11:45, walked the few blocks to the public school and attended the afternoon session. We were at the pre-collegiate high school (the other was commercial). Probably 90% white, 55% Jewish. Lots of Euro-traditional Orthodox Jews in the public schools back then. Schools were closed on RH and YK, and all days of Yuntif for Sukkos, Pesach and Shavous were excused absences, Probably 70% Jewish faculty. My mother was an elementary school principal in the system, later Director of Special Ed and retired as Asst. Superintendent of Schools.
Things were much more rigid than in modern times. Boys had to wear Jackets and ties, girls had to wear dresses or skirts below the knee. Schmutz just wasn’t a big issue back then@LittleIKnow
As I started my post……
“As one of the few……”
I know that I am not the only CR member with such an education.
I know others have advanced degrees. My classical education came well before my advanced degrees, back when I was going to my Junior High and High School years at the local Yeshiva (no longer exists) we took our core academics at a top nationally ranked local public high school 4 hours each day. My 6 Years of Latin were 5 days a week in grades 7-12 taught by an old fashioned Latin Master from Yale.As for ‘usual spoken vernacular,’ this is the perpetual problem of connotation vs. denotation. After decades of practicing law, I constantly have to point out that if it is not in the 4 corners of the document/contract it doesn’t exist. Law school students, professors, authors and often losing side attorneys may argue concepts such as legislative intent; but what is set down in writing usually holds (until some appellate court decides to make new law for political or other reasons).
As one of the few on the CR with a classical education, including 6 years of Latin, I don’t find it surprising that many of you are confusing discipline with punishment.
Discipline comes from discipulus, the Latin word for pupil (Masculine 2nd).
Discipline is the teaching someone to obey and adhere to a set of standards of behavior. Violation of those standards may result in punishment. If the teaching is successful there will be no violations or punishment meted out,The patch en tuchus is not discipline, it is punishment.
Yeh right, the Pillow guy is an expert…..not on anything of substance.
The <LOSER> Trump LOST the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020.
You have been brainwashed and hoodwinked. I am through wasting time replying to you, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. BTW…when are you stopping to accept all those Democrat originated social benefits????edited
@DovidBT
Laudable???? No Deplorable in my opinion
Cutting the number iof ballot drop boxed in a county of more than 4 million is not laudable, cutting back voting hours is not laudable, eliminating polling locations is not laudable@Health
Not a group trial.
Need 2/3 vote of the whole body
Action to expel brought at one member at a time
Need 67 bites in the Senate, only 50 Republican Senators.
Give up on your stupid pipe dream it ain’t gonna happen. The grifter Trump lost, there was no widespread voter fraud. The Republican Party is inherently racist as shown by all there moves to restrict voting access. First they go after the blacks, if successful they will come after the Jews.@Health
Do the math, you can not get a 2/3 majority to expell the majority party in Congress@Health
I warned you earlier NOT to try to argue Constitutional items because you know not what you type.
“IMHO, all these Congressmen and women should be Impeached ”Members of Congress are not subject to impeachment,
Article I, section 5 of the United States Constitution provides that “Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.
Way back in 1798 the Senate ruled that its members are not subject to Impeachment, but could only be expelled. At the time they were debating holding an impeachment trial for a member who had already been expelled.@Torahvalues
The Cubans protesting in the streets of Cuba flying US flags would not be voting for anyone in the USA. If they arrived in the US and were allowed to stay, in about 5 years they might become citizens and then adults could vote.
Just showing up in the USA doesn’t make them eligible to vote@CoffeeAddict
I and most Dems I know want legal immigrants to be admitted to the USA. We don’t care about their country of origin.BTW…I’ve been to Cuba, both before and after Castro took power. The peons didn’t have it much better under Battista. Thing stink in Central America, Mexico, Cuba, Haiti and the DR. How many times have we invaded and taken over their governments? Too many. The Monroe Doctrine made us worse than European Imperial powers. How long did the banana republics put up with rule by United Fruit Company and the US shipping lines…or Pan American World Airways/Panaga and our friends at the Grace company. We Americans have raped these economies for well over a hundred years…close to 200 in places such as Haiti and it’s coming back to bite us in the backside
@Health
I specifically said that if the rioters in the assorted states broke federal laws then that was the business of the federal government to prosecute.
Then you post the State AG notice that rioters who broke federal laws, trespassed on federal property are being prosecuted by the feds. This is exactly what I said should happen.
Not every calls crime for an investigation at the top level. Congress gets to decide which federal issues they wish to investigate, not you.@Health
Don’t bother trying to make Constitutional arguments, you are clueless. Congress is focusing in January 6th because their workplace, was stormed. It is federal property in the Federal District of Columbia and it is to be investigated by the federal government.The riots that took place in the streets of cities across the USA are to be investigated by the states, if the riot was not on federal property. It is not the bailiwick of Congress to investigate. The feds can’t prosecute state crimes, it has nothing to do with equal application of the law. Different laws and jurisdictions are in play.
As far as I am concerned any rioter breaking the law anywhere in the USA should be prosecuted fully to the full extent of the applicable law by the appropriate legal authority. BUT>>>protest dopes not always equal riot and is not always illegal. the unlawful entry into the US Capitol on January 6th was criminal activity and should be prosecuted.
@1
Your ignorance is glaring. Most Democrats are not Communists. They believe in private ownership of property. Government funded social programs is not Communism.
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Cuban Americans have traditionally been Republicans, unlike most other Hispanic-Americans. They enjoyed more than a half century of preferred immigration rights(foot on dry land equals green card).I have repeatedly posted: Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is elected as a Socialist and caucuses with the Democrat Party. He attempted to win the Democrat Party nomination to run for President a number of times, and lost. The fact that he temporarily registered as a Democrat in order to get on some primary ballots does not make him a Democrat.
@1
Most Democrats support social programs and are not the far left wingers you allude to. They are business owners and professionals who are willing to share.BTW>>>>we don’t like kooks, either.
My post said nothing about supporting or opposing Medicaid. and I don’t care that you oppose it. You manage to partake of it and have for years, per your posts.
Pointing out that may in the Yeshiva World is NOT Anti-Semitic, it points out that all Americans can avail themselves of these social programs if qualified to do so.
I completely disagree with you opinion that all of the social programs I named (and I apologize for the typo in Social) were created to appease someone. I do not believe that to be the case with Social Security, Medicare or Section 8 (of the Housing Act of 1937). Section 8 and Social Security were New Deal programs to help pull the country out of the Great Depression, not appease anyone, Medicare, part of Johnson’s Great Society plan recognized that most American received their healthcare insurance from their employers and there needed to be a mechanism in place to allow retiring workers to BUY hospitalization coverage. I don’t think it was appeasing the elderly.
@chugibugi
I think you’ll find it was filthy treasonist Republicans who stormed the Capitol in the January 6th insurrectionThis proud Democrat supports the Cuban protestors and not the Communist government.
BTW supporting social programs does not mean one supports Communism or Marxism despite the posts in this thread.
B”H I make a considerable living and am more than happy to share the majority of it through both tzedaka and taxes that support social programs.
There are plenty in the Yeshiva World who are dependent upon these social programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, Section 8, SNAP, WIC, Sicial Security and rent controlled or stabilized housing
Health
Specifically you called AZ Mr. Know it All@Health
I am posting to you because you referred to or addressed AZ with male pronoun in the comment to which I clicked reply.Amil Zola is a FEMALE. She uses her late husband’s account and has explained this over the years.
As I have posted earlier, Medicaid is a STATE program administering Federal funds.
Here in CT, you must qualify via the means test. Our minimum wage is $13 per hour. If you work 4o hours, chances are you won’t qualify for Medicaid, but can buy a subsidized plan through the state ACA exchange that might cost you as little as $12 per month.
Unlike many other benefits such as SNAP, the state can recover expenses paid through Medicaid if your financial position improves. When you sign up and accept Medicaid you are granting the state a lien on your present and future assets.
As someone who has practiced family law, wills, trusts and estates I deal with Medicaid issues regularly, Most people don’t recognize that Title XIX that pays for nursing homes is Medicaid, The state often ends up owning the home of the nursing home patient who dies. They can claw back 6 years if it has been transferred taking it away from the patient’s children, etc.
This is one of the reasons we suggest placing your home in a trust omce you reach the age of 50I lived and worked there in the late 70s (based in Yeoville neighborhood of JoBurg). It had a vibrant Litvish community with Kollel then.
The country fell apart after the ANC took power and whites fled in droves.I have been back a number of times, last in 2019, not much to attract young families. Those who can find suitable economic situations abroad, leave. Not just Jews, but whites in general.
@Health
A couple of observations based on your comments.
You have had Medicaid for years. I am sorry you earn so little to qualify for Medicaid.It is important to note that Medicaid is a state system paid for with Federal funds. 50 states have 50 different systems and they cover different things in each state.
Here in CT, Medicaid recipients have NO co-pays. The doctor, hospital and pharmacy is paid in full at the agreed rate.
I had an MRI last week, my co-pay was $175, the patient checking in at the next desk had Medicaid and had no co-pay. B”H I can afford it. I see no reason for the person who can’t afford it to be denied the MRI.@Syag
“Reb E – i don’t know why you and CTL keep saying that. ”
I haven’t said anything in this thread and it has been quite a while since I posted an opinion about the ACA.
For Mrs, CTL and Myself the ACA was wonderful (now we both are Medicare age and donlt use it). At age 60 she had a $2million medical expense and our prior commercial policy with the c=same carrier as our exchange issued policy capped at $1 Million. She also had preexisting conditions which would have disqualified her from renewing our prior policy (we got a letter informing us of it).
And yes the ACA policy bought through the CT Healthcare Exchange saved us lots of money.BUT>>>>>>>>>>>the exchange and policies are not the same in all states, nor are costs or out of pockets. The last year we had an exchange issued plan the maximum family out of pocket was $6700 per year, not the $14,000 a CR reader posted. Different policy, different state and different year (Mrs. CTL went off Exchange policy in early 2021).
All of that said, I am disappointed in the ACA, the courts gutted its teeth when they did away with the financial penalty for not buying insurance. We need all the healthy young people in the pool to lower overall costs.
We had an exchange policy from the year they started until Mrs, CTL turned 65 in 2021. We didn’t have a single one of our doctors, hospitals, pharmacies or other providers who were not in the plan, so we didn’t have to change any providers. CT is a small state, no city has more than two hospitals so they all take all insurance written in the state. In big cities with dozens of hospitals there may be some who don’t take exchange plans and can still survive financially.I can only speak from my experience, I can’t offer an opinion on current plans in the various states. That said, I would love to see a single payer national health plan to cover all Americans. I am willing to pay higher taxes to make it happen. I am a capitalist who believes in social programs for the greater good.
For those of us over 60………………………..
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians,
I have posted this in the past:
I don’t wear black suits on a daily basis, I wear extremely dark blue or gray. When I first became an attorney and went into court in a Black Yeshivish suit, white shirt and non-descript tie, a friendly older judge asked to see me in chambers. He pointed to his black robe and said that the only one wearing black in the courtroom should be the judge, it is a sign of respect to wear another dark color.
Although, I don’t appear on court most days, I never know when I might have to be there on a few minutes notice, so for decades I dress every day in a dark non-black suit.My sons grew up seeing what I wear and they wore similar garb. They attended the same yeshivah in Brooklyn that I, my brothers, my father and uncles attended. Some wore Midnight Blue suits as I do, others felt the pressure to wear the ‘cheap black suits’ worn by most of the young men in order to fit in. The one thing that never happened was the Rosh Yeshiva telling any of us we had to wear a black suit.
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That said, the majority of my Shabbos suits in the past 59 years have been black
Two last connected items.
I DON”T live in a city.
There is no such thing as a “suburban dream city.’ A suburb is smaller than and subordinate to, and dependent on a city for things such as employment, cultural institutions such as museums, entertainment (legitimate theatre, symphony, opera, ballet), certain shopping, transportation hubs, and at times medical care.My small town of about 40,000 people doesn’t have a hospital, a train station, museums, concert venues, a university, non-movie theatre, but all of these are available in the nearby city within a short drive.
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The fact that some people commute from one city (such as Stamford (where I don’t live) to another city (such as NYC or White Plains), doesn’t make Stamford into a suburb or the commuters into suburbanites.@CTRebbe
You do not know which small town in Fairfield County I live in. But, the crime rate is extremely low, mostly car theft, etc in the area closest to the nearby ‘big’ city.
It is not a ‘bedroom’ town on the rail line to NYC for commuters, it wasn’t developed as a suburban but was a small colonial town, settled in the times before we were a nation.
It doesn’t have filth, in fact a few times a year civic groups organize for a tidy up day, and clean up any debris along roadways, parks, etc.I know Waterbury and have for more than 6o years. My father had businesses there, so did I. I still own commercial property there. I would not send a teenager to live there. Boys leave the dorm and explore, even if it is going to the corner store for a soda.
None of my comments have any reflection on the quality of the Yeshiva.I ask you this, since you are so gung ho on Waterbury……why the move and development in the rural farming community of Durham, when buildings were available so cheap in Waterbury? Some people didn’t want their youngsters living in the city.
Lastly, how long have you had an association with Waterbury??????????
I remember when it had a Jewish Center (that went bust and had to be sold to Post University) (I paid for a room there), had 3 Synagogues on or right off Cooke St, had a thriving Day school, kosher butcher and bakery. Do you remember any of this.
All the small mill towns along RT 8 had Jewish communities and synagogues that started out at orthodox in the late 1800s….Naugatuck, Torrington, Derby, Waterbury. Between the death of northern manufacturing, downtown shopping districts, white flight the Jews abandoned these places and a group of frum Jews saw an opportunity to grab housing and shul buildings for next to nothing and leave NYC for a different life.
In New Haven, where I was born and grew up, Catholic churches have closed with white flight and lack of funds. Chabad which had previously taken over the failed Young Israel, spent many millions buying the large St Brendan’s RCC and it’s school building for a new Yeshiva complex and dormitory. But for safety, the boys live within a fenced, protected ghetto abutting a neighborhood full of crime,@CTRebbe
I did not post about families, i write of sending a boy to live in Waterbury, quite a different thing. No student in the Yeshiva K-Tana is sent to live in a dorm in the city.
That 250 families snapped up cheap housing in a derelict city so they could make a more affordable life and still get to NYC in 2 hours is good for them, but off point form my comment.@lakewhut
putting words in my mouth I did not utter, againI did not say I would not support the Yeshiva in Waterbury, I have written yearly checks since its inception. I said I would not send a boy to live in Waterbury, a city I consider and know to be filthy and dangerous.
I never mentioned politics in the 1960s. I said my family had been in business in Waterbury since 1958. My father opened his first store there in 1958 and eventually had 3. I owned and operated a garment factory there in the 80s and still own commercial property there.
Just last week I was there to appear in Family Court session of the Superior Court.For 100 years Waterbury has been known for hills, mills and dirty necks….the mills closed down after the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s, but the hills and dirty necks remain. The local Jews abandoned Waterbury in white flight and the Yeshiva picked up their buildings for a song as well as a bargain political deal for the former UCONN Waterbury campus. Maybe to a Jew in Crown Heights or Bed Stuy Waterbury (the city, not the Yeshiva) isn’t that bad, but to suburbanites it is horrific.
@BenchKvatcher
As someone whose family was in business in Waterbury since 1958 and saw its complete collapse and corrupt politicians, I would not be sending a young man to live in learn there. I will say that the Yeshiva is a good repurposed use of a conservative Synagogue.BUT…Cooke St is not safe or desirable, nor is the former UCONN Waterbury campus. It was no surprise that a move to Durham has happened,
Mesira is not an issue. Non-profits, political polls, organizations, candidates and any company you have ever done business with are exempt from the No Call List provisions of the law.
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90% of the true SPAM calls are being placed from outside the USA, they use false caller ID numbers that are computer generated and our government has no enforcement powers.
Today I created a conference call and let the car warranty guy talk to the fake Social Security enforcement agent.@CTRebbe
Why did my response surprise you? It was succinct and on point.Some of the Ivies have announced that they no longer will automatically accept legacy candidates (as Yale did with GW Bush and then his daughter) keep them in and give them ‘gentlemen’s Cs’ as passing grades.
My brothers and myself and our sons and grandsons attended the same Yeshiva in Brooklyn that my father and uncle attended before WWII. I assume family name, the fact that full tuition was to be paid and that a number of rooms have plaques with our name as the donor didn’t hurt their chances of admission. BUT, why shouldn’t a Yeshiva want multi-generation families that support the institution and share their hashgafa?
Unlike a Yeshiva, a college or university that accepts any federal funding has to balance gender, and race in its admissions. They no longer have to factor in whether or not the student needs financial aid, as they used to.
Hardest to get into???????????????????
For whom?The son and grandson of alumni of the Yeshiva
The son or grandson of a businessman making a multimillion dollar donation?
The son of parents who can pay full tuition, room and board?
A scholarship applicant?
A BT?There is no set answer and no level playing field.
@hml
“priorities & materialism are less important here. ”NO….a priority cannot be less important anywhere, if it is less important it is not a priority.
Perhaps you mean that you have different priorities in EY than chutz l’aretz.I believe that the Arab world will put extreme pressure (and pay money) to the Arab party to withdraw from the coalition. It is in the Arab world’s best interests to have Israel without a government that can rule.
@coffee Addict
I agree, but probably less than 60 days@Avik
You are correct about Ohio Nat’l Guard, not quite a senior moment, but I had been working on a trust for a client’s family in Illinois and had typed it so many times, it just flowed.
We went to the Service, not the cemetery.Property Tax is local, not federal. so your stretch doesn’t apply. A yard or tag sale at a home is not at a place of public accommodation with licenses from Health Department, Sales tax permit, etc.
As I said, we didn’t live in the city and the funeral service was my sole interaction with Lindsay, so I pass no judgment on his prowess as mayor. Splitting ballots used to be more common in the past.
Our Town Council is subject to minority party representation rules. We have 7 districts, each represented by 3 Council members. A party may only run 2 candidates and win only two seats maximum. So if I vote for two Ds, I then vote for one of the two Rs on the ballot. In our district, this year, I detest one of the Rs and will vote for the other, who I merely dislike
@Always
I have never used twitter or instagram
I use FB only when our town is streaming a meeting via FB Live or to check our DTC group for announcements, I haven’t used it for social media type uses, I have the discipline not to get sucked into the shmutz, but I wouldn;t want my grandchildren using FB or TikTok@AviK
My parents left NYC in 1952. My grandparents were alive and living in NYC during the Lindsay administration and supported him, not so my aunt who lived in Queens during the snow removal debacle. He was mayor during the time that all northern US cities were falling apart; post Civil Rights Act, White Flight, Race Riots and departure of manufacturing for the cheaper sunbelt states.I had only one personal interaction with him, back in 1970. He was seated in the row with my grandmother (Lindsay was next to her), mother and myself at the funeral of Jeffery Miller (my 3rd cousin who was murdered by the Illinois National Guard at Kent State). he was most solicitous and when my grandmother began to faint he had his staff remove her to his limo to rest and revive. My grandmother had traveled by public transit to the funeral (we had come from CT) and Lindsay had her transported home by a city detective in his vehicle.