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Chaim 87 – You are entitled to your opinion but not to your facts. Musk did not just do one salute. He has repeatedly reposted and amplified interviews with holocaust deniers and antisemites on his own X feed. Musk posted a disgusting response to his salute with crude and repulsive Nazi jokes. Musk has loosened restrictions on X and has reinstate accounts known for hatred, antisemitism and bigotry.
Same for the horrendous comments of Adam Boheler yesterday. The entire Israeli establishment is opposed to direct talks with Hamas. It is damaging to Israel and it undermines their negotiating position it is not just to be poo pooed.
People concerned about Trump’s flippancy to Ukraine and our allies are rightfully concerned.
I suggest that you take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you discount the very real antisemitism enabled by Musk and his cohorts and ask yourself why you don’t share the outrage of Dermer and Netantahyu.
Boruch – Thank you. You are spot on. Couldn’t agree with you more. Sadly the frum media and especially the frum media has become a MAGA populist echo chamber.
Chaim 87 – I appreciate your points though I thoroughly disagree with many of them. Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk can do a whole lot more damage to the standing of yidden in America and support for Israel then a few crazy college kids Where I totally lose you is when you resort to over the type hyperbole and pontification. Things like “only an intellectually dishonest person” would chose to disagree with what I believe to be correct and if I consider it “nitpicking” then the concerns raised are invalid belies a lack of openness to rigorous debate and does nothing to help further serious dialogue. In truth even while I disagree with you I do appreciate the tenor of the majority of your comments just not the pontificating part.
And Bibi and co using Trump to give them free reign to cut electricity to Gaza may play well in the short run but will ruin Israel’s standing in the long run among the rest of the world that despises Trump and among many Americans as well. Israel is falling into a trap that will turn them into a pariah nation once Trump is out of office.
Ritchie Torres is the only one man enough to speak up and protest the Trump/Hegseth Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Kingsley Wilson.
Again why Trump is bad for America and Jews. And sadly this will only become clearer as time progresses r”l.
R’Chaim 87 – Yup. That is good but has nothing to do with anything that I mentioned above. Sadly the frum media generally blocks out anything negative about Trump and the right wing so you won’t read about how Dermer is piping mad at the Trump people for negotiating with Hamas behind Israel’s back and even going so far as to discuss who Israel will release. You wont read about the antisemite hired by the department of defense including a blatant unrepentant antisemite as spokesperson. You also won’t read about all the right wing podcasts hosting neo-nazi, Holocaust deniers and antisemites. Bottom line Trump and his cohorts are all tough on Columbia for left wing antisemitism but virtually ignore it and even enable it on the right
Chaim 87
“Trump’s talking to Hamas doesn’t mean anything. ” Israel is livid. Bibi is kept in the dark and Israel has always opposed such direct talks. It means a whole lot and it is not good.
“The Trump Gaza plan. No its not pure nonsense.” It is pure nonsense. It is not workable and will never happen. It does nothing to help and just makes the rest of the world disregard American leadership.
“On the other hand form Israel the man gets billions and billions of dollars” Really how is that? Billion and billions??? Trump is transactional. Miriam Adelson’s cash is minuscule compared to what Israel gets from the US. (Even I don’t believe that Trump is corrupt enough to grant enormous sums of aid in return for his donors greasing his pockets. If it is that easy someone should tell Zelensky to get some Ukrainian Americans to make a few campaign contributions.)
Chaim 87 – Trump’s words are nice but are essentially bluster. Hamas has not bowed to his threats and his Gaza “plan” is pure nonsense. That being said his tone is appreciated but as we see today Witkoff is negotiating with Hamas and Bibi has no idea what he is giving away. All the frum maga minions mindlessly repeating Trump’s lies on Ukraine may soon find themselves looking at things from Zelenskys perspective and that is my point
Baruch D. is spot on. It is sad how so many in our community have become brainwashed and excuse away every vile act of Trump and his MAGA cohorts. Sadly frum media bears alot of the blame. Any piece of news that is somewhat negative of Trump is downplayed or ignored. Multiple news sources now report that Russia is discussing Iran with the Trump administration. Will the frum pro- Russia MAGA crowd be ok with a US Russia Iran nuke deal because Bibi doesn’t have the cards?
Just to clarify the gadol I mentioned said voting for Trump is not an option. He did not specifically endorse any other candidate.
Ard – I will not give into your bullying. But for one Rav Elya Brudny Shlit”a. As I said provide an email
I appreciate the call out. Provide me with your email and I will provide you with names. I am aware of a member of the moetzes who told his talmidim that the choices are not great but one can not vote for Trump. I am aware of other chashuva magedei shiur who privately told talmidim not to support Trump and multiple Roshei Kollel who also advised against voting for Trump. Sadly the MAGA folk intimidate and harass all those who question their Orthodoxy so many are afraid to speak up.
Nisht – You are the first one to introduce name calling to this thread. All others have been respectful. Casting everyone as trolls is a juvenile tactic. If you have something of substance to add please do. But if all you can do is claim you know better than everyone and can explain everything in two minutes but don’t do any of that then please spare us the comments..
Nishtdaynegeshedt – Your comment has absolutely no intelligent content. The people above posted real data. You just engage in ad hominem attacks without any substance. It is easy to call names and say people don’t know have an understanding and then provide nothing to back up your statements. How about you actually answer the points raised above in this thread
Rocky – you raise important points. Conventions are not free either. Are these costs pre or post payment by attendees?
If the numbers don’t add up as some have pointed out above the people should call Torah Umesorah 212-227-1000 and ask them on what basis they make such claims. They should know that people want answers. Also last year’s Share Hammalos campaign made many claims regarding their impact on the work of teachers. It is only right that they explain the basis for their claims.
ard – you would be surprised
Can anyone with accurate knowledge of a school post as to how many Rabbeim there are in their schools and how many have been trained by Aish Dos.
There is no way that 75% of Rabbeim in all Jewish Schools are trained by Aish Dos.
Joey – If you cared about America you would never vote the guy who tried to overturn an election, seat fake electors, pressure his VP to violate the Constitution and pressure a state AG to “find him the votes.” You wouldn’t vote for a convicted felon and you wouldn’t vote for a man who wants to ignite a crippling trade war with his insane tariffs. You wouldn’t vote for a guy who spreads racist lies about legal Haitian immigrants and you wouldn’t vote for a guy who spreads lies abc misinformation during times of national disaster. Trump is bad for America and bad for Democracy.
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Keith – under the Iran nuclear deal the Iranian sites were subject to inspection. Saying otherwise is flatly untrue. Trump did not bankrupt or cripple Iran. The money flowed to Hamas under his watch. His own Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin approved the Qatari fund transfers to Hamas. The fact is Iran increased its uranium production and decreased its breakout time unhindered under Trump. When Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal he boasted that Iran would come begging for a new one and that he would negotiate a better one. This ever happened This is who so many in IDF and Israeli intelligence consider Trump’s pull out of the imperfect but better than nothing deal to be disastrous for Israel
Keith – ISIS was essentially defeated by the US military under Obama. Under Obama the entire caliphate was wrested from their control and they were reduced to one last strong hold of Raqa which was fully surrounded and ready to fall in 2016. Trump had it handed to him on a silver platter and thankfully didn’t mess it all up. In contrast Trump empowered the Taliban, undermined the Afghan government and boasted that he left Biden boxed in to carry out his disastrous capitulation to terrorists. Trump gave the Taliban all they wanted even offering then a visit to Camp David on September 11th.
IMPORTANT: Many frum.yidden are scared into silence by the cultish brainwashed MAGA minions who seek to place anyone who has doubts about supporting their fake Messiah into cherem or otherwise question their Jewishness. These modern day Sabbateans and Frankists who worship the golden calf of MAGA terrify those who have the intelligence to think for themselves. Thankfully come November 5th in the privacy of the voting boot tens of thousands of frum yidden will do their part to end the avodah zarah of Trumpism. May we merit to see the day when the wayward followers of the false messiah recognize their errors and return to the fold of normalcy.
If you vote Trump.you are voting for the guy who gave over 100 million dollars to the Lebanese Military, freed 5000 Taliban fighters, let Iran enrich uranium unhindered and abandoned US Kurdish allies in Syria. You are also voting for the guy who called Hizbullah smart, cursed Bibi and said Abbas is a grandfather type figure who wants peace. The MAGA sickness blinds the cult like followers to Trump’s flaws and demands slavish obedience to the dear leader. Please keep Yiddeshkeit out of your sick ideology.
Trump.cant stop praising Hungary’s Victor Orban. Orban has enabled Putin and Iran. He has allowed Hungarian companies to aid Iran..This is who Trump hails as a strong leader.
You raise a very true point. But MAGA people will never face reality.
Very well said. Sadly, “frum” media has become a propaganda mouthpiece for right-wing MAGA populism. The “frum” newsites and print media brainwash and blind the masses by distorting every issue to fit their preconceived narrative.
Of course there are antisemites in the Democratic party. I in no way support Tlaib, Omar or Van Hollen. At the same time there are some excellent members of the Democratic party as well such as Gotheimer, Federman, Rosen and Goldman. The same holds true with the GOP there are the good guys like Mike Lawler and Dan Bacon and the antisemitic ones like MTG and Tom Massie. The extremes of both parties hold highly problematic positions. The centrists of both parties are generally reasonable and work hard to get things done. My only point is that political parties should not define the identity of a yid. We should be wise enough to see the pros and cons of the issues and decide accordingly and we should stay far away from the grotesque demagoguery of @lakewhut, @yanky1998, @qwetryqwetry.
Every statement I made is a hard fact. Trump with Fuentes, MTG voting against antisemitism bill, Michael Flynn and one religion, 21 Democrats sending letter to Columbia. Sadly my detractors cannot address the points and instead continue to slander just like the person who made the grotesque statement to start this thread. What is even sadder is that one poster says one can’t be a baal teshuva if he votes Democrat. This is simply insane but sadly indicative of the MAGA illness that has taken over yiddeshkeit .The GOP does not stand for the zayin mitzvos. The GOP does not advocate banning the LGBTQ lifestyle. The Christian position on abortion is not synonymous with that of the Torah. One who supports the GOP is not a heretic because much of the GOP advocates for religion that according to many shitas is avodah zarah and one who supports Democrats is not a heretic because of Dem support for LGBTQ rights. The issue is not registering as part of a party for practical political gain the issue is when one’s identity becomes defined by a non-Jewish political philosophy. This is the churban of our time and this is what any self respecting Jew should abhor.
MAGA darling Marjorie Taylor Greene voted no to the bipartisan house bill on antisemitism because she wants to protect her right and the right of her coreligonists to say that Jews killed their savior. It is a sad day when Jewish people chose to put their political affiliation ahead of their Jewishness. Yidden should not be Democrats or Republicans they should be Yidden only and vote on a case by case basis solely based on a proper evaluation of the issues.
Vote Republican so that people like MAGA hero and Trump NSA director Mike Flynn who publicly call for a Christian America with only one religion can be given the levers of government power.
Twenty one Democratic Congressmen signed a public letter spearheaded by Dan Goldman and Josh Gotheimer calling out Columbia University and it’s failure to dismantle the pro-Palestinian encampments. Meanwhile Trump says that people chanting “Genocide Joe” have a good point. Go educate yourself before you slander.
Your comment is imbecilic. Any self respecting Jew would prefer John Fetterman and Josh Gotheimer over Tom Massie and Rand Paul. It’s time to move past FOX News talking points and educate yourself on the issues. And many Jews would obviously have serious misgivings supporting a candidate who unapologetically dines with Kanye and Fuentes. As Americans we should all be weary of a candidate who undermined and undermines the peaceful transfer of power and tried to force his VP to violate his oath to the constitution.
You are a sick kofoi tov. Biden has taken a strong stand in support of Israel despite it costing him support among his base. The progressive base of the Democratic party is up in arms over his resolute support for Israel. Congressional staffers have sent letters of protest over his pro-Israel stance. DNC members have threatened to resign, and his poll numbers among Democrats have sunk because of his unabashed support of Israel. Biden can very likely lose a swing state like Michigan because of his loss of Arab and Muslim support. Your comments are grotesque and show how partisan politics has infected and polluted your mind.
Hopefully, they offer him a plea deal to retire in Slovenia or somewhere remote with a commitment to stay out of American politics so that he will no longer be a danger to American democracy.
Michael Flynn retweeted “not anymore Jews, not anymore” He also called for one religion in America. Paul Gosar has repeatedly spoken together with neo-Nazi’s. Greene Taylor blames the “Rothschilds” for starting California wildfires and spoke at an event hosted by neo Nazi Nick Fuente right after he made jokes about Hitler. Yet all good Jews must vote Republican because Apple made an emoji.
All good Jews must vote for a party whose National Security Advisor tweeted “not again Jews not again” and who called for America to only have one religion because Apple made a pregnant man emoji.
Sure because Apple and Netflix are Democrats. Pure idiocy from those that proudly align themselves with the party of Paul Gosar, Madison Cawthorne, Majorie Greene Taylor, and Lauren Bobart.