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April 29, 2020 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1855017commonsaychelParticipant
@Joesph, you are wrong after during the last recession a lot of kollel yungerlat suddenly had the “the schvers credit card and high end lease stopped, and horror of horror’s went to work either as a clay kodesh or in the businesses world. I remember in kollel of the 70s and 80s maybe even the 90s and it was a very different animal,
@rational misiras nefesh is one of the most overused words these day.commonsaychelParticipantlets see
1. The sun rose the sun set
2. 1000s of people were born
3. The hole in the ozone layer repaired it self
4. Price of gas dropped
5. 100,000 + made a fully recovery
6. millions had the virus with little or no symptoms
7. The US is gradually reopening.
8. Illegal immigration dropped
9. Crime level dropped
10. Car crashes dropped.commonsaychelParticipantI disagree, the norm up to 25 years ago a one man band and a singer was not socially acceptable now its very much the norm, for the foreseeable future [next 6 months or longer] social distancing will be the norm and big wedding not longer be the norm with a possible perminate change.
I am sure the attendance at the peasch program will not be the same as last year for many years to come.
Crowded chol hamoed venues wont be the same at least for the near term,
Just a few examples of how things changedcommonsaychelParticipantI started taking him to mikva Fridays and it stopped
commonsaychelParticipantCheck back in a few years when you find out
April 28, 2020 10:35 am at 10:35 am in reply to: Time to cautiously reopen schools, Shuls, & most Businesses. #1854296commonsaychelParticipant@Quayboard, conversely the Yom Kippur war had 11656 Casualties and the Intifada had 9863 casualties, the total casualty count in Israel for covid19 is 208 and they reopened.
Bottom line both your opinion and Haimy are IRRELVANT!!!commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse it has zero to do with if can or cant afford the said items or closeness to hashem or lack thereof, its the fact the people were saying “we cant manage without” for example but the multi millionaire and the guy who felt the need to credit card debt to go found out they managed very nicely without it.
The woman managed without cleaning ladies regardless if you were the real estate tycoons wife, the truck driver wife or the shuls rov wife.
No one went to lesensk regardless what income bracket your in or how much it help you get closer to hashem.
Bottom line, we managed.April 28, 2020 8:42 am at 8:42 am in reply to: Time to cautiously reopen schools, Shuls, & most Businesses. #1854230commonsaychelParticipantI hear that both Governors Coumo and Murphy are looking for advisors to work for them, feel free to send your resume
April 28, 2020 8:40 am at 8:40 am in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1854227commonsaychelParticipantIt depends on the generation and sector that you grew up in. I grew up in the 70s and 80 where this mindset was unheard of, people in the city lived in small houses or two bedroom apt, Monsey had small houses, Lakewood was an enclave of serious bnai torah who lived in a minimalist society No one drove around with high end lease cars, EY was only for the ultra serious and ultra committed lifestyle, with meat maybe twice a week and no credit card from “der schver”
Outside the “Yeshiva velt” this is still the exception, the MO community has no concept of “schver support” and chasidisher only stay in kollel for 1-5 years and then go to work.
Three out of the five industries that will take the heaviest hit from Corona is that the frum olam is heavy into,
Nursing homes, Real Estate and Construction, it will be years before they recover or even ever get back to our current level, so in the near term “scvhver support” may not happen,commonsaychelParticipant@n0mesorah, “entitled”??? no one is entitled to anything, state law mandates education until age 17, lets have your opinion in lets say 15 years from now after your married and have kids of your own, not a bored teen’s opinion
commonsaychelParticipant@yichdick “I’m sure there are many more lessons to learn that have nothing to do with sheitels, or mamzeirim, or anything else. You want an explanation? HKBH is the beginning and the end, and all he does is for a reason. He doesn’t share that with bosor ve’dom, not anymore. Learn what you can from the experience, but don’t have the arrogance to think you know the reason. ”
WOW WOW!!! how wonderfully you put it down, thank you thank you thank youApril 26, 2020 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1853644commonsaychelParticipantMR. Unhealthy, The Lakewood minyanim have both the Government and Rabbonim approval, someone from outside that area opinions are irrelevant,
PS there are bunkers in a island off the coast of New Zeeland where there is no chance of catching covid 19 if you are interestedcommonsaychelParticipantnOmesorah, you thought that these were things that you could not manage without or just things that changed?
commonsaychelParticipantLets see,
I got to robo calls today one saying the long shaytils caused it, the other say it was technology that caused it, the leader in my wife shmirah haloshon group said it was caused by loshon horah, my neighbor whos son was not accepted in the yeshiva of his choice said it because the boys are not accepted that caused it, my SIL who is a social worker said its because we not embracing at risk kids, my other neighbor says its because we don’t do enough kiruv, parent’s neighbor says is from over development, 3 prior poster had other reasons and the OP has his,
Why don’t we be humble and admit that not everything is in the realm of human understanding or will it ever be, how about if there is something that we can be misakin on let do it for ourselves and not tell others reasons that we think caused it,commonsaychelParticipantTHIS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMB!!!!, NOBODY KNOW WHY
commonsaychelParticipantOMG!!! please enough already, everyone has his own explanation as to why we have covid 19, the last time I check the last of the nivim was about 2000 years ago, At the height of the epidemic I got 17 robo calls in one day with everyone’s agenda as to why this happened ranging from long shaytils, to fancy weddings, to speaking loshen horah, to technology, to the gay parade to building of multi family housing,
PLEASE STOP, no one knows and anybody who claim they know der aybisters chesbons is a kofer.commonsaychelParticipant@Avrom Moshe, I never said this is the reason why we have the mahagyfa, I merely wrote that thing that we said we could never manage without and we ended up managing without, take for example lack of cleaning help because the cleaning ladies didn’t show or we didn’t want to get exposed, what did we do? we all pitched in a little extra and deferred the spring cleaning. Not going to Peasch programs, Lisensk or Keristur, we rolled back the clock 25 years and managed.
I happen to be 100% in agreement with you about person who claim they know hashems reasons I would take it to the next level and say it borders on being a kofer, the last novi we had was 2000 years back.
PS read Millhouse’s comment if you need clarification of the intentcommonsaychelParticipant@ Avraham Moshe, boy that virus must be getting to you that you resorted to this.
In reference to #6 I think is a wonderful mesorah and I missed my kids and grandkids, but I MANAGED, It was something I LOVED having not something I NEEED, people said they NEED to go to MOMMY and they found out that they are capable of making Y.T for themselves.
#9. Mir and Chachmay Lublin learned in Japan and Shanghai during the war, people can learn anywhere including NY NJ, the going to EY to learn started big time about 20 or so years ago and it became a rite of passage, now we see people can manage without that rite of passage and the 1000s that go with itApril 24, 2020 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1853051commonsaychelParticipantReb Eliezar, Exactly he said everyone show ask the own Rov from his area, So Lakewood said Yes, 5 towns said no, and shalom is achieved everyone should agree to disagree, Flatbush stick to Flatbush, Monsey stick to Monsey etc tec.
commonsaychelParticipant@unommin
Read what I wrote
“I am not diminishing the pain of loss of parnosah by those whos life’s are affected, “commonsaychelParticipantLower T, yes I spoke to quite a few friends and neighbors who normaly go away to a program for pesach and yes they all managed,
Godal: I was heartbroken without my married kids and grandkids but it was something I wanted not needed, I don’t want to ever have that again but I managedcommonsaychelParticipantLowertution: it was not applicable to all including myself on all of the above items, it was just somethings that I happen be thinking about that people got use to having and thought they cant manage without and they managed. This list was not all encompassing, feel free to add things that you think of,
PS I missed my eniclech tremendously over yom tov, but life went on.commonsaychelParticipantכי אתא רב דימי אמר אמרי במערבא מלה בסלע משתוקא בתרין:
commonsaychelParticipantReb Elliezer I was quoting Mesechtas Migilah Daf 18 umud alpeh
commonsaychelParticipantn0misorah ” People say things and don’t really mean them.” if that’s the case now I understand the chazal “milsa beselah sticka btray”
Better he should be silent then “say something that he really didn’t mean”
PS the clip show the extent of contempt he has to the RabbonimApril 23, 2020 10:17 am at 10:17 am in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1852319commonsaychelParticipantnOmesorah, I take the rulings of US Supreme Court seriously, I never discriminated when I am in the workplace regardless of that persons orientation,
In reference to your question, no you should not advice of online comments, its opinion for the most part.April 23, 2020 9:05 am at 9:05 am in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1852239commonsaychelParticipantUnhealthy, here is the main difference that I as a frum happily married hetrosexal man am not affected in any way by gay marriage, frankly I don’t care who my plumber, banker, clerk spends his off hours with.
on the other hand the NIOSH and CDC are codified in CFR, therefore if you have a disagreement with CDC the opinions are irrelevant unless you move to a new country and follow that country rules.commonsaychelParticipantYseridus This son in law is NOT a md, he has a PhD in biology.
April 22, 2020 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1851974commonsaychelParticipantUnhealthy To cut and paste what someone said does not make it factual, the CDC and NIOSH rules are the guidelines used the USA and have been since 1946, you don’t like that then move to another country
commonsaychelParticipantNoMisorah, Well I am taking about a specific person and a specific chutzpah where he was mivazah rabbonim who gave a psak halacha that he disagreed with, if you have no idea what this is about then its best not to offer a opinion, “milsa beselah shteka btray”
commonsaychelParticipantLuna, closer example is one that in a doctor offers unsolicited opinion for example if something is doceh Shabbos and the rov rules otherwise, the doctor then goes to the bima and goes on a rant insulting the rov and threatens anyone who listens to him, That doctor would most likely be thrown out of the shul and told never to return.
That is the closest example I could think of, not your analogy of a child with high feverApril 21, 2020 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1851658commonsaychelParticipantNo Health, I know you know better when anyone who works for the CDC, what are your credentials?
April 21, 2020 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1851587commonsaychelParticipantHealth, the CDC guidelines , are 6 feet, standing at the same distance as they do at Walmart, Target Etc.
Perkay avos says ahsay lecho rav, therefore people in Passaic should listen to the Passaic psak and people kin Lakewood should listen to Lakewood, and the 5 people who listen to Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz should listen to him.commonsaychelParticipantStupid blanket statement to make, I was the village chairman of the GOP committee for a number of years until the local anti frum hijacked the party and turned it into the anti frum party, now on a local level I vote minor party and on the top of the ballot vote GOP
commonsaychelParticipantJust spoke to a shadchan and she told me its DEAD DEAD DEAD, that being said I know of two engagements that occurred from when the in the past 4 weeks in what is normally the busiest time of year
commonsaychelParticipantIts n95 made in europe
commonsaychelParticipantsorry I rechecked its N95
commonsaychelParticipantI just got a case of KN95 masks made in Europe and certified NIOSH for $2.50 apiece, not some china knockoff
commonsaychelParticipantHe was very vocal about ANY porch minyan even if they are separate and was mivazah the rabbonim.
April 12, 2020 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm in reply to: Liability of persons who infect others with coronavirus #1849037commonsaychelParticipantI guess you are really bored with shelter in place and your trying to occupy yourself
commonsaychelParticipantreligion should not be changed like a pair of socks, find out where you heart lies and stick to it, Jewish or otherwise.
commonsaychelParticipantReally? what med school did you attend? residency?
commonsaychelParticipantPLEASE PLEASE PLEASE !!! take only advice from a qualified medical person, don’t self medicate or take something that some quack said, scary the amount of quacks out there
commonsaychelParticipantHow many of you have any medical background, I mean a real verifiable background, ie Dr. Nurse, a degree in biology, safety etc. This all helps pass the time of day but for 95% you are clueless besides what you read on the internet.
commonsaychelParticipantNo its the most civil response
commonsaychelParticipantby posting this your guilty of being motzy shem rah on yiddin,
commonsaychelParticipantYou try go adjust to normal as quickly as possible, sadly for yesomim and others life would never be the same but for the rest, they would try to get back to normal, doubt if it fly
April 2, 2020 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm in reply to: We need a Pinchas to take action to stop the magefah!! #1846317commonsaychelParticipantActually I work private sector now, but I worked on the inside for a number of years, If you work in medical science [ and I doubt you do, you never stated your credentials ] you would know that downloaded internet information has zero credibility.
April 1, 2020 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm in reply to: We need a Pinchas to take action to stop the magefah!! #1845787commonsaychelParticipantActually I am a Safety Engineer with a minor in health sciences who worked for FDA at one point before going to work private sector, working for home theses days, I just love people who have no clue about pharmacology and think if you download public access information from a website you have the answer to all the problems. Anyway I wish you best of luck and you and your family to stay healthy
April 1, 2020 7:47 am at 7:47 am in reply to: We need a Pinchas to take action to stop the magefah!! #1845663commonsaychelParticipant“BTW, I’m trying to work with pharmaceutical companies to initiate treatments, that I’m sure will work.”
Your sure? you did double blind studies? you have data to back it up? -
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