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I heard from a member of YIDB that a email went out to the membership saying that the letter spilt the kehillah and lman hasholem please disregard the letter
commonsaychelParticipant@Lowerturion me kiamcha yisroel
commonsaychelParticipant@abba , the case in Tom River is suing under RUPLA and that forces the municipality to try to make reasonable accommodation, so far that has not happened, having 9 other people in your condo is no different then inviting the over to a card game and that happens daily in the retirement communities.
commonsaychelParticipanta lot of the frum stores advertise in the local papers such as community connections in Monsey, Lakewood scoop in Lakewood, 5 town Jewish time in the 5 towns, Torah times in Brooklyn, the view in Monsey and Brooklyn, not that hard to find stores and give the parnasah to your neighbor.
PS The view had a really nice article last week about the minhag of taking a 3 year old to school tp learn the alpeh baiscommonsaychelParticipant@anonymous, read what I wrote, neigher Vaad of Miami OR ORB put out an a statement closing shuls, the reason I referenced both is because those are the two local boards of rabbis for South Florida.
PS I drove from NMB to Deerfield during non rush hour and it took 28 minutescommonsaychelParticipant@annoymus, these people did the same thing the Friday night people did, davened with a minyan, all participants were able bodies competent adults who knew what ever risk they were taking, no one was forced there.
Davening with a minyan is 1005 legal because it is listed as a essential service by the governor.
As far as the breakaway a number of fairly wealthy members are sick of the ego trips by the board and have no issues funding it, quite a number vacant commercial space within a stones throw of YIDBcommonsaychelParticipant@godal Just out of curiosity, if the Rav in YIDB would have said no one who go to a mixed pool is allowed to go the amud or that women who don’t cover the hair even while not in shul would have the membership revoked would you still feel that way?
commonsaychelParticipantn0m. exactly my point, the Lakewood rabbonim were talking as a group, the 5 town rabbonim were talking as a group, same with Passic. Your not going to get everyone to agree but you can get a general consencus for the local area.
Sorry but there is nothing out there from ORB or Vaad of Miami on shuls during corona.commonsaychelParticipant@n0m for violating some rule, no I would not
commonsaychelParticipant@Amil, I was curious about the incident that you had, I went onto the ADL Seattle chapter website and there was no listing of such an event going back to 2015, that stuff would have made the report.
FYI, there was a fatal stabbing in Monsey on Chanukah and a double murder in Jersey City and numerous assaults’ in NYC perpetuated by, drumroll please, African Americans, NAACP organized a blockade of the frum stores on Friday Afternoon,
A African American group would amass on the lawns of local frum school board members an harass them, therefore……….. Nothing.commonsaychelParticipantanonymous jew, fact is YI is closed when the State of Florida allows it to be open, and some of its members said enough is enough. There is plenty of empty office space outside CV that can accommodate a smaller minyan.
PS Chabad is just around the corner from YIcommonsaychelParticipant@Abba, I know of a few wealth people who would fund the .25 a copy for the 66, 70, and 90 and its only since march properly only like $1000.
@Amil lets concentrate on the message not on the messenger, for example the NAACP decided to stage a blockade of the local kosher supermarket right before Shabbos to inconvenience frum Jews, we can sadly find fault with a lot of groups, lets talk about tattling on your neighbors not whos idea this was,commonsaychelParticipantAmil guess what the very same things happened right here in Rockland and who intimidating the people? the left wingers and the conservationist, sadly we get hate on both sides,
commonsaychelParticipantNEWS FLASH: Florida allows all houses of worship to operate, so there is no issue of dina demalusah and this happens off premise of YI so frankly its non of the their business. Its all about a bunch of grumpy old men on power trips.
commonsaychelParticipantAmil Zola, I have a deep feeling of disgust of one person ratting out his friends and neighbors, and sunlight is the best disinfectant, if your going to rat then be prepared that your friends and neighbors know what type of person you are.
Frankly I could not care less if the person exposing these people are Morgan on the right or Mark Bray of Antifa on the Left.
Sadly history is filled with stories of people who were “concerned public citizens” and ratted on the neighbors to Franco and Nazis of the right and KGB, NKVD and Maoism on the left.commonsaychelParticipant@amil, a broken clock is right two times a day
commonsaychelParticipant@Abba, You don’t need to be a lawyer to file a foil, you just ask for the records anyone can do it.
@n0m, you want my opinion on this? I think if your going to report on someone be prepared to have your name exposed so the people know all about you. If you cant handle that then don’t report your friends and neighborscommonsaychelParticipantand some people comment even if they are not old enough to vote
commonsaychelParticipantThe entire Washington state, the agency asked them to leave the contact information including emails, all of that is allowed under FOIL. some of the complaints were anonymous most were not
commonsaychelParticipantNo matter how many times you submit it, it ain’t going through – 29
May 10, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1859143commonsaychelParticipantn0m, are you asking out of the genuine desire to understand what is being discussed or do you want to give your opinion?
commonsaychelParticipant37 States opened in some way, cases are dropping and the busybodies are shutting up.
May 9, 2020 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858992commonsaychelParticipantInteresting the Court of Appeal in the 6th circuit came down with a ruling on Friday afternoon allowing unlimited access to houses of worship so long as they maintain social distancing, this is the highest level of review so far.
PS n0m when I was a teen I thought I knew all the answers and as the years past I saw how little I knew, nothing personal its just part of growing up.
May 8, 2020 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858907commonsaychelParticipantn0m, I will answer you in 15 years when you are no longer a teen with a teen state of mind
May 8, 2020 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858863commonsaychelParticipant@Redleg, n0m is a teen with no real life experience and no grasp of law, I would not take his comments seriously.
May 8, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858780commonsaychelParticipant@charliehall, that is the gist of the whole case, the plaintiffs in the case Robinson and Knopfler are suing for what they see as governmental overreach, is it? it up a Judge to decide and it properly go to appeal and this is being fast tracked. this is what the Sixth Circuit Court Of Appeals wrote: ” The breadth of the ban on religious services, together with a haven for numerous secular exceptions, should give pause to anyone who prizes religious freedom,” the panel wrote,
In refence to your second comment, We are Jews and US citizens, we are afforded rights under the bill of rights and its amendments, Frum Jews are not whining they are exercising a right given in the US constitution. [if I remember right Charlie, you are a Canadian and therefore may not be familiar that US system].
In the Jacobson case it warned against arbitrary or oppressive regulations to be implemented, FYI this a 1905 case and during that time the courts were not very concerned about individual liberties, during that term the courts threw out laws allowing collective bargaining and limiting worker hours.
Judaism is about obligations, only a Rabbi know what obligation takes precedence over others. For that consult YOUR rov, and YOUR rov should pasken for YOU and YOU ONLY.
Some feel that if you are antibody positive and maintain social distance you can daven indoors, other feel the outdoor minyan is that way to go, others feel beyidus is the way to go, yet other feel that you need a secured a secure bunker in a island off the coast of New Zeeland.May 8, 2020 7:29 am at 7:29 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858635commonsaychelParticipantn0mesoah, The only part of the law where you need intent is in criminal law and this is a civil rights action
May 7, 2020 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858543commonsaychelParticipantHuh? how did we morph from a freedom of religion or more precisely a government overreach issue to paycheck???, totally lost you on that.
May 7, 2020 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858277commonsaychelParticipant@Milhouse I was always wondering about the genuine Calvin Klein and Gucci handbags for sale for sale for $20 on the streets of Manhattan, I just found out is a freedom of speech thing. LOL
commonsaychelParticipant@syag I didn’t bring any bias to my comment, my son and multiple nephews and nieces didn’t go to EY this year because of corona and guess what, we all managed just fine.
We managed with less and life went on.May 7, 2020 8:26 am at 8:26 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1858167commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse
I stand corrected I read the MoL on the filing, and one of the case laws was the Police Case, it was not the primary case law but one of several of the minor ones.
I also think n0m know what legal standing means because standing was never in contentioncommonsaychelParticipantTake the 8-12 K that it cost and give three quarters of that the keren yesomim campaigns and with the remainder send her to a local one, people managed with simple weddings, bucherim can manage without the zman in EY and so can the sem girls.
One of the silver linings of covid 19 is that we discovered that we can make due with less.May 6, 2020 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857923commonsaychelParticipantFunnybone, The day Augudah puts out a letter the Yaakov Horowitz speaks for himself and not the rest of the community is the day is the day that Augudah put out the letter saying that this rabbi speaks for himself.
I found it a bigger embarrassment when a pediatrician from Brooklyn went on a crazy rant.May 6, 2020 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857920commonsaychelParticipantnOmesorah, After you earned your first pay check be sure lot let me know.
May 6, 2020 11:41 am at 11:41 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857671commonsaychelParticipant@charliehall, No, people are suing for governmental overreach, you can jump off an bridge anytime you desire and the bridge are pretty empty due to social distancing,
May 6, 2020 10:23 am at 10:23 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857654commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse, I think using the police case as a precedence case is pretty weak, the defendant will argue that police is lack of reasonable accommodations as opposed to discretion of emergency powers,
Don’t get me wrong I think the Robinson v Murphy is on solid ground but the police case is not a precedence,
Just my hunch, the state will offer a compromise rather then risk a TROcommonsaychelParticipant@milhouse
“most of his talmidim probably accept his pask”, well your not a talmid if you don’t follow your rebbis pask, and you wrote MOST and PROBARLY meaning that you don’t know for sure.
So I stand by what I said, no one besides him [ and “probably most” of his talmidim] hold this way.May 5, 2020 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857398commonsaychelParticipantJoesph,
One is the legal entity for example your driving down Route 42 and hit a pothole and cracked a rim [ CTL with prior notice etc etc] you can sue the state or the governmental agency.
If the elected official does something in his capacity of office like banning the worship then you sue the individual acting in his capacity not the state or municipal corporation.
CTL. Disclamer I forgot I have lawyers in the room and was not explicit enough in the description of the defendant. LOLMay 5, 2020 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857399commonsaychelParticipant@n0mesorah,
Sorry I don’t understand what your saying, please explainMay 5, 2020 8:43 am at 8:43 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1857119commonsaychelParticipantMilhouse, I don’t you, where is the common denominator of Police v Newark and Robinson v Murphy
May 4, 2020 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856796commonsaychelParticipantIn an effort to slow the spread of the coronavirus, every state in the United States has issued guidelines or orders limiting social interaction. But these rules don’t always apply evenly when it comes to in-person worship services and other religious gatherings.
In fact, only 10 states are preventing in-person religious gatherings in any form, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of recent state-level regulations. The list includes California, where a group of churches are suing Gov. Gavin Newsom in federal court over what they claim is a violation of their First Amendment right to free exercise of religion.Perhaps with such litigation in mind, most other states have carved out exemptions for religious gatherings in their stay-at-home orders or other directives in an attempt to balance religious freedom concerns with safe social distancing practices. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to recommend that gatherings of more than 10 people be canceled, while in gatherings that do take place, individuals should remain at least 6 feet apart at all times.
In some cases, states have deemed religious worship “essential,” in the same category as food shopping and health care. These states include Florida, South Carolina and Tennessee, among others.
Roughly a third of states (15) are allowing religious gatherings to continue without any limit on their size.
Twenty-two states and the District of Columbia have specified in their orders that religious gatherings can take place, but only if they are limited to 10 people or fewer. This includes Rhode Island, where gatherings are limited to no more than five people. Two additional states, Connecticut and Oregon, limit religious gatherings to 50 and 25 people, respectively. Kentucky, meanwhile, is prohibiting “mass gatherings” – including faith-based ones – but does not specify how many people constitute a mass gathering.commonsaychelParticipantRabbi Moredchai Telder said in public that the last few irgus moshes were colored by his interpretation of what reb moshe said not necessarily what he said, [meaning that he injected his own opinion] therefore I take the last few igrus moshe with a grain of salt
commonsaychelParticipantHuju we have 3 relevant questions, what the law is, if they don’t get legal clearance its a moot point.
2, can they get enough staff in time? open question
3. Will the children come if they are open? unknown
I know these are the questions they are dealing with because by brother in law runs one of the biggest camps in the catskillscommonsaychelParticipant@ubuition, what his son in law or grandson opinion is totally and completely irrelevant, do you quote R Aurbachs son in law opinion as his? how about Rav JB Soliviackis son in law. Do you quote Bar Ilan opinion as the Nitzivs opinion because he was his son?
May 3, 2020 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856557commonsaychelParticipantCTL: State is being sued in federal court so the state does not need to waive in this case. I assume you have pacer access if you practice in federal courts, the action is Robinson v Murphy if you want to read up on the case.
@godal the plaintiff is seeking a TRO and a preliminary injunction against this, those cases are fast tracked and they get a ruling in a matter of days for the most part.
PS the same lawyer sued the Governor of Illinois [Cassell v Pritzker] for same reasons and the governor removed religious services from banned activities rather then go to court.May 3, 2020 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856480commonsaychelParticipantnOmisorah, sorry its painfully obvious that your a teen, first graduate HS, graduate college, graduate law school pass the bar and then leave your comments
commonsaychelParticipantThere is a priest in North Caldwell NJ who is suing the State of NJ for closing houses of worships that can conduct services with social distancing, that law firm forced Illinois to allow services, I think that priest will win that suit.
commonsaychelParticipant@ coffee addict nothing to do with religion, everything to do this a quack medication
commonsaychelParticipantSorry If you expecting a refund from any yeshiva/ sem./ cheder I have a bridge to sell you
May 1, 2020 11:44 am at 11:44 am in reply to: Would you like me to say Kaddish for you (bli neder)? #1855874commonsaychelParticipantThe porch minyanim were paskined ok in Lakewood as long as they can see each other and keep social distaning, quite a number of rabbonim in Monsey, Brooklyn and Montreal allow porch minyan,
That being said its a very noble gesture on your part -
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