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A lot of the prior generation gedolim went to public school, For example Rav Avigdor Miller, Rav Mordechai Gifter, Rav Ahron Feldman just to name a few
Econo or Holiday inn in Syracuse, County Inn or Hilton Garden in ROC.
plenty of cheap places Syracuse or Rochester NY near shuls, that is the real Upstate
@n0m, First get married, then have a child, then register your child, then worry about tuition, meaning that this topic is not negiyah to you for at least five years.
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@n0m, after you start paying high tuition feel free to join the discussion.
@syag, I fargin all my neighbors, if he works at B and H, a Rebbi, grocery or a plumber, I mention it to show I have zero resentment to people in chinuch, my resentment comes from people who say we should pay more when they have a pretty cushy life for the most part.
edited@CT Rebbe, not for profits all have boards and are required to under law and so do the yeshivas. the board members are often family or friend and little have true oversight.
The output is from the rank and file and and if the Rebbe is devoted I show my appreciation directly on Chanukah, Purim and Yom Tovim.
PS as I said in the prior post the two nicest houses on my block are owned by two rabbim, one put up an additions costing 250K other 350 K, I totally fargin them and wish everybody could afford it@syag, you may not like my answer of how it fits in.
When the person I meet with from the tuition committee in under Federal investigation for his business practices, when the Menhal is living rent and tax free in a house owned by the yeshiva, when his kids drive around in high end SVU leased to yeshiva, that is glass houses.
How do I know all the this? Close Friend got a Grand Jury subpoena re board member, public records on the house, and son in law was rear ended by the high end SUV@Syag, its very simple, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones
@CTRebbe,
Lets see, my sister in Real Estate in Monsey and most of the sales are in the 4-600 K range, not that high range, Lakewood is even lower, FYI there are two rebbis on my block who just renovated the houses to the tune of 300 K.
Most of the people attending the peasch programs were not Heimishe/ Yeshishish / Chasidish.
The clothing stores were losing ground to the online shop prior to corona,
Just about everyone employed by a yeshiva is driving a leased car.
I fargin the yeshiva staff but before they increase the tuition let them open the books for all to see,@ CT rebbe:
lease cars (or drive only new model cars)
Most drive older models or lease mini van at the cost of buying a use cartake vacations to Florida/EY 1-2 times per year
hardly your average person, most are lucky to get away for a week in New Hampshire or Lake George.eat out 1-2 days per week
, most will buy out a pizza pie to give mommy a breakbuy food without looking at the price
Not the casetake bar mitzvah boys to EY
Far and fewprovide regular support to married children
Agreed, whole other discussion about elite bucherim and entitlement.rent summer bungalows at a price comparable to what people pay today
Most bought years ago.higher cleaning help as frequently as today
most are household where both spouses work and have one or maybe twice a week.shop in clothing stores with prices comparable to today
Most shop online and search or bargains,spend on simchas what people do today
Not since Covid 19pay for housing comparable to today
Wrong, people are move out of the main areas, Dover Twp, Jackson, Garnerville, Pearl River. Linden, etc.pay people others for basic maintenance, landscaping etc.
Most pay landscapers twice a week.send girls to seminaries in EY for $25k+
Not since covid 19pay comparable prices for sleepaway camps
Not since covid.perform mitzvos requiring expensive chumros
Hardly not evenone does itHow about the Yeshivas opening up the books and showing what all the staff earns?
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@1, that’s bunk, 75% of yeshiva parents live paycheck to paycheck and a very simple lifestyle.
We had a forum here two weeks ago about the expenses of the not for profits and the salary of the administrators.
Let them show the overhead before they raise tuition,your whole response was a stick gaava, I would rather take a mediocre boy whole is normal and and does not think how great he is, then take a iluy who make you worship the ground he walks on.
Wow, your statement reeks from gauyvah, I feel sorry from that families that there boys marry into, no wonder we have a shidduch crises with such arrogance.
@Snitz, so get petitions, raise funds and run instead of kvetching online
What is the point of this whole narisher post
To all those who are getting all these vision, don’t be shy, there is help out there a mere phone call away, brother I love and you will get better, meanwhile stay away from all sharp objects
@CharlieHall,
That issue that you raised in your comment before about tuition had been taken off the table not that Blaine amendment were ruled unconstitutional.
PS you forgot to mention that he once hugged AvI Weiss.@Huju, not worthy of a response, i don’t respond to anti-Semites black or white
He should seek out his local mental health professional ASAP, there has not been a Novi in 2000 years
@huju, try saying that about your fellow blacks
@n0m after you get your first full time job I will answer you.
I can tell you that reverse racism exist in NYC, if your a white male you have no chance at getting a job if your competing against a less qualified minority.
NYS put out a memo closing all loopholes that camps were operating under, I knew it was a matter of time, there are people who work for NYS who are equally has smart as the camp directors, now there can only be day camps in NYS.
@bsharg2, 40 days after the vlad, Hashem said plony le bas plony, stop spouting idiotic statements of what Hashem want us to do, you not a Navi
@bshrage2, and what does this have to do with the diminished clout of the Frum community?
Having worked in both corporate America and government service and i can tell you that if you black and female competing against a more qualified white male, the black female gets the job.
@2015 Alcohol causes drunk driving, so lay off the bottle
@CTL,
How many deaths did the Nutmeg State have since Monday, Zero
How many fatal car crashes did the Nutmeg State since Monday- 23
How many people admitted to the hospital in CT. for Covid 19 since Monday? 20
How many people admitted to the hospital in CT as a result of car crashes, 300.
Did you stop driving your car?@n0m, a lot of thing can happen between now and next summer, Corona can be over, Moshiach can come, you can be married, Iran and Israel will make peace and climate change will stop.
@godal, I was in the Catskills on July 4th weekend and almost all sleepaway camps converted into day camp, city day camps are full, sleep away camps are operating in PA. MA. VT. and NH.
BH frum people are resourceful for the most part, we managed to have Weddings, Bar Mitzvahs Etc., make peasch on our own, so on and so forth we can manage to keep our kids busy thru this summer.
I plan to take my kids /grandkids for a week to a region that I always drove by and never knew how nice it was, North Central PA.@Godol Life has been back to normal for the past 2 months in most of the frum world, yet where is the spike? why wait till the fall? why no spike now?
is this Chicken Little and the sky s falling?Lower 1000% agreed
Lower: Ispo Facto by not issuing a TRO the season is effectively over, now you have discovery, testimony, briefs and motions, working at a fast pace with a RJI you can expect a ruling in mid August.
so its over.@CTL,
You just proved my point, you and your daughter live OUTSIDE the main frum population, she went on a business trip OUTSIDE the frum area, she got exposed OUTSIDE the frum area.
So sorry to take the wind out of your sails the frum areas in NY/ NJ are not experiencing a new wave.I have been to Monsey, BP, Flatbush, Williamsburg, Lakewood and Sullivan County in the past month and life has returned to normal with minimal social distancing , in fact outside the frum areas in NY the protests had minimal social distancing, yet no spike. In fact there are 500% more people injured from car crashes this month in NY/NJ then were ill with Covid 19.
If you would bring proof in a court of law that one isolated case that occurred outside main frum area is proof that the frum community is experiencing a new wave you would be laughed out of the court.Judge ruled sleepaway camps cant open
Dear n0m,
the worst is a bucher who has no intentions of getting married giving advice on shidduchim@catch, so if its such a point of pride why doesn’t the various tzidoka organizations print on the promotional brochures our CEO does such a great job we pay him 250 K a year plus his mortgage and car lease