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The fact is the MO community is withering away. 20% of the YI shul are barely functioning or not functioning.
a bunch of MO shuls merged with Chabad, YU has declining enrollment and REITS hardly function, contrast that with Lakewood, Mir and Brisk that are bursting at the seams .
Coed Day Schools are closing up or merging and the average age at a YI is 75.@CharlieHall, the Hebrew Institute is a open orthodox place, not MO.
MO community including RCA, YU and YI want no part of anything affiliated with Avi Weiss or his ilk.
PS Avi is Rabbi In Residence at the Hebrew institute.@godol, A few years ago during the Ukrainian civil war, my grandmother a Auschwitz survivor ask me if one side was most pro Jewish so I told her both were about the same, so she said if that the case let them shecht each other out, the most vicious guards in the camps were the Ukrainians.
shul members also run services at another location for about 180 more. However, with social distance, only about 25 people can be accommodated in the outdoor terrace, about 50 in the main shul, and about 30 in the social hall. And there aren’t a lot of other options.
Wow, so some good came out of Corona, less people getting drunk at the kiddush at Avi Weiss’s so call shul, that is a huge plus@syag, I like your boat analogy. I happen to own a boat, I don’t force anyone onto my boat,
Some boat owner make all passengers wear life jackets, some just children and some not at all.
If you don’t like the boat rules don’t go on that boat.
Each shul can and does decide what works for them, you don’t like it do go there.@Syag, I didn’t write respect, I wrote ” I respect the right” and likewise I expect the same in return.
What ones motivations are is frankly none of anyone’s business, I don’t go up in shul and ask some random stranger who he is saying kaddish for, I don’t ask some random stranger who made a meshabrach lcholeh who that person is and what is that person suffering from, and I don’t ask some random stranger who benched gomel why that person benched.
Everyone should do what works for them and its none of anyone business.@Forshayer, CTL, Greatfulblac, Yosefserbow
I respect your right to daven beyididus or with social distance outdoors, I am asking that you show the same respect for those who wish to daven with a minyan indoors without masks.
PS Gratefulblac I remember reading somewhere that Kol Nidray can substitute for htaras nidorim.@n0m, nope that bh stopped with corona, emails and calls only, i will show at your if I am invited
@forshayer, you maybe have your outdoor minyan with people 100 feet apart, I can tell you that Sheiners is PACKED to the gills, with a new minyan every ten minutes, Rottenberg is full, Rudinsky is full, Twersky is full. so we must be talking about a different Forshay
90% of the frum olam in the tri state area is davening with minyan, just a few nervous people don’t, my guess is that almost all frum shul save some YI and Avi Weiss type shul will be operating normally on Rosh Hashanah.
I would be davening with a minyan and with a new appreciation of me begayfah.Edited
@CTL, Just check rural CT. local town offices, Libraries and County clerks in NY all do passports, most money orders demand are from the unbanked and the check casher can fill the void.
Quit crying and be thankful for the many years you rode the gravy train.I get three types of mail.
Give me
Pay me
Buy me
and I can do without all of the above.
CT LAWYER, I feel for you and I feel for most real estate people, but you average zlob working from paycheck to paycheck does not have real estate trusts, so be happy that you had the gravy train for all those years.
As to all ancillary services provided by USPS, the town and county clerks are passport acceptance agencies, most check cashers will give money orders for .50 to $1, and UPS stores have pick ups stations.Sorry if I sound crass but Taxi were hurt by Uber, Typesetters were hurt by graphics computer programing and the buggy whip manufacturers were hurt by cars, its called change.
I once saw a cap, “I go to Mir but was accepted to Brisk”
quite a number of camps in the Poconos and a lot of postings on go daven, should be no issue of a minyan during the week
Old orchard beach has a shul as does Shary Thipila in Portland
A lot of the prior generation gedolim went to public school, For example Rav Avigdor Miller, Rav Mordechai Gifter, Rav Ahron Feldman just to name a few
Econo or Holiday inn in Syracuse, County Inn or Hilton Garden in ROC.
plenty of cheap places Syracuse or Rochester NY near shuls, that is the real Upstate
@n0m, First get married, then have a child, then register your child, then worry about tuition, meaning that this topic is not negiyah to you for at least five years.
home?
@n0m, after you start paying high tuition feel free to join the discussion.
@syag, I fargin all my neighbors, if he works at B and H, a Rebbi, grocery or a plumber, I mention it to show I have zero resentment to people in chinuch, my resentment comes from people who say we should pay more when they have a pretty cushy life for the most part.
edited@CT Rebbe, not for profits all have boards and are required to under law and so do the yeshivas. the board members are often family or friend and little have true oversight.
The output is from the rank and file and and if the Rebbe is devoted I show my appreciation directly on Chanukah, Purim and Yom Tovim.
PS as I said in the prior post the two nicest houses on my block are owned by two rabbim, one put up an additions costing 250K other 350 K, I totally fargin them and wish everybody could afford it@syag, you may not like my answer of how it fits in.
When the person I meet with from the tuition committee in under Federal investigation for his business practices, when the Menhal is living rent and tax free in a house owned by the yeshiva, when his kids drive around in high end SVU leased to yeshiva, that is glass houses.
How do I know all the this? Close Friend got a Grand Jury subpoena re board member, public records on the house, and son in law was rear ended by the high end SUV@Syag, its very simple, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones
@CTRebbe,
Lets see, my sister in Real Estate in Monsey and most of the sales are in the 4-600 K range, not that high range, Lakewood is even lower, FYI there are two rebbis on my block who just renovated the houses to the tune of 300 K.
Most of the people attending the peasch programs were not Heimishe/ Yeshishish / Chasidish.
The clothing stores were losing ground to the online shop prior to corona,
Just about everyone employed by a yeshiva is driving a leased car.
I fargin the yeshiva staff but before they increase the tuition let them open the books for all to see,@ CT rebbe:
lease cars (or drive only new model cars)
Most drive older models or lease mini van at the cost of buying a use cartake vacations to Florida/EY 1-2 times per year
hardly your average person, most are lucky to get away for a week in New Hampshire or Lake George.eat out 1-2 days per week
, most will buy out a pizza pie to give mommy a breakbuy food without looking at the price
Not the casetake bar mitzvah boys to EY
Far and fewprovide regular support to married children
Agreed, whole other discussion about elite bucherim and entitlement.rent summer bungalows at a price comparable to what people pay today
Most bought years ago.higher cleaning help as frequently as today
most are household where both spouses work and have one or maybe twice a week.shop in clothing stores with prices comparable to today
Most shop online and search or bargains,spend on simchas what people do today
Not since Covid 19pay for housing comparable to today
Wrong, people are move out of the main areas, Dover Twp, Jackson, Garnerville, Pearl River. Linden, etc.pay people others for basic maintenance, landscaping etc.
Most pay landscapers twice a week.send girls to seminaries in EY for $25k+
Not since covid 19pay comparable prices for sleepaway camps
Not since covid.perform mitzvos requiring expensive chumros
Hardly not evenone does itHow about the Yeshivas opening up the books and showing what all the staff earns?
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@1, that’s bunk, 75% of yeshiva parents live paycheck to paycheck and a very simple lifestyle.
We had a forum here two weeks ago about the expenses of the not for profits and the salary of the administrators.
Let them show the overhead before they raise tuition,your whole response was a stick gaava, I would rather take a mediocre boy whole is normal and and does not think how great he is, then take a iluy who make you worship the ground he walks on.
Wow, your statement reeks from gauyvah, I feel sorry from that families that there boys marry into, no wonder we have a shidduch crises with such arrogance.
@Snitz, so get petitions, raise funds and run instead of kvetching online
What is the point of this whole narisher post
To all those who are getting all these vision, don’t be shy, there is help out there a mere phone call away, brother I love and you will get better, meanwhile stay away from all sharp objects
@CharlieHall,
That issue that you raised in your comment before about tuition had been taken off the table not that Blaine amendment were ruled unconstitutional.
PS you forgot to mention that he once hugged AvI Weiss.@Huju, not worthy of a response, i don’t respond to anti-Semites black or white
He should seek out his local mental health professional ASAP, there has not been a Novi in 2000 years
@huju, try saying that about your fellow blacks
@n0m after you get your first full time job I will answer you.