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@arvah, i get harassed for not wearing a mask so I guess we are even.

@ Charlie Hall
This does not look some made up attempt to slander, if it was then Steven Exler would have said that.
Jewish Newslink

In an interview Tuesday in response to a request for information on this policy, Fagin told The Jewish Link that the matter has been settled, with HIR agreeing not to issue such announcements in the future. “The OU has been in touch with Hebrew Institute of Riverdale to discuss the OU’s recent policy statement. The discussions have been respectful, with the exchange of differing perspectives. The OU is pleased that the issue has been resolved in accordance with the OU’s policies, as set forth in its statement, as HIR has agreed to refrain from the practice we addressed.

“HIR has requested that we note that it was not their intention to create a public discussion or controversy,” said Fagin.

HIR’s Rabbi Steven Exler confirmed the validity of the OU statement, but did not make further comment.

@Charlie Hall,
Doubt it it was the Rabbi from the White Shul that pushed the OU, doubt that the Rabbi would have bought into some doctored bulletin,

@ Charlie Hall
Jewishlink:
Last week, Rabbi Yair Hoffman, in an article for the Five Towns Jewish Times, reported that Rabbi Eytan Feiner of the White Shul in Far Rockway, Queens, had issued remarks condemning the much-publicized act of wishing official mazel tovs (in shul publications and from the bimah) to people celebrating same-sex unions, a practice that took place at the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale. In his Shabbat drasha, according to multiple reports, Rabbi Feiner said that if the OU did not move on the matter he would have no choice but to reconsider the White Shul’s affiliation with the OU.

The complex, nuanced issue of whether to issue celebratory statements for non-halachically sanctioned acts or celebrations in Orthodox Union institutions is not new, but what happened next was. Rabbi Hoffman asked the Orthodox Union for comment, and Allen Fagin, the organization’s CEO issued the following statement: “It is the OU’s unequivocal position that support for, or celebration of, halachically proscribed conduct is fundamentally inappropriate. Accordingly, the institutional endorsement or encouragement (implicit or explicit) of any conduct that is contrary to halacha is activity that no Orthodox synagogue should allow. With this principle in mind, we are currently in the process of reviewing our synagogue standards to determine whether further comment, or other action, is appropriate.”

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In an interview Tuesday in response to a request for information on this policy, Fagin told The Jewish Link that the matter has been settled, with HIR agreeing not to issue such announcements in the future. “The OU has been in touch with Hebrew Institute of Riverdale to discuss the OU’s recent policy statement. The discussions have been respectful, with the exchange of differing perspectives. The OU is pleased that the issue has been resolved in accordance with the OU’s policies, as set forth in its statement, as HIR has agreed to refrain from the practice we addressed.

“HIR has requested that we note that it was not their intention to create a public discussion or controversy,” said Fagin.

@Charlie Hall,
They stopped writing mazal tov for gay marriage in the shul bulletins and they stop having females lead services.
Those were the things that the OU said the will pull the plug on.

@Charlie Hall
Wikipedia:

The Conference of European Rabbis followed suit that same month, stating, “The Conference views with great pain the deviations from religious foundations emanating from the movement called ‘Open Orthodoxy’, and warns that those who act in this spirit, alumni of the aforementioned movement… will not be recognized by us as rabbis, with all that entails.”

Similar sentiments were echoed in a press release of a ruling by the Rabbinical Alliance of America on February 22, 2018, likening Open Orthodoxy to Reform and Conservative Judaism, and stating, “The clergy of this movement are espousing philosophies of the generation of the Sin of the Golden Calf.”[36]

Prominent Central Orthodoxy leaders have also stated that Open Orthodox practices or beliefs are incongruent with Orthodox Judaism. These include Hershel Schacter, Rosh Yeshiva at Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary (RIETS), Yeshiva University[37][38] and Avrohom Gordimer, a rabbinic coordinator at OU Kosher[39][40] among others.

OU/RCA response
Steven Pruzansky, rabbi of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey and a trustee of the Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) on the Board of the Beth Din of America,[41] argues that Weiss’ approach closely resembles early 20th century American Conservative Judaism and in his opinion would more aptly be called “Neo-Conservative” rather than “Orthodox” Judaism. Concluding an opinion piece in Matzav.com he states that “clarity and honesty at least demand that we recognize before our eyes the creation of a new movement in Jewish life outside the Orthodox world, one that we have seen before. It can be termed … Neo-Conservatism. ‘Open Orthodoxy’ is a deceptive brand name, an advertising slogan, and an attempt to remain tethered to the Torah world to re-shape it from within, but far from the reality. The reality is that we are living through the rise of the Neo-Conservatives.” [42] Moshe Averick, a columnist for the Jewish magazine The Algemeiner Journal and author of Nonsense of a High Order: The Confused and Illusory World of the Atheist, agrees with Pruzansky that Weiss has created a new Jewish movement in America, comparing him with Isaac Mayer Wise (founder of Reform Judaism) and Solomon Schechter (founder of Conservative Judaism in the United States). He compares Weiss’s ordination of three women as Maharat on June 16, 2013, with the so-called Trefa Banquet of 1883, which marked the split between Reform and Traditional Judaism in America. Says Averick: “Weiss’ movement, a form of Judaism that enthusiastically embraces the ideologies of feminism and liberal-progressive-modernism while coating it with a strong Orthodox flavor, could accurately be labeled as Ortho-Feminist Progressive Judaism,” but “the term coined by Rabbi Steven Pruzansky … Neo-Conservative Judaism … has managed to fit neatly into the slot to the left of Orthodox Judaism and to the right of Conservative Judaism.”[43] In October 2013, dozens of rabbis who defined themselves as “members in good standing or [who] identify with the Rabbinical Council of America”, signed a letter arguing that Open Orthodoxy has “plunged ahead, again and again, across the border that divides Orthodoxy from neo-Conservatism”.[44]

The Orthodox Union (OU), Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) and National Council of Young Israel have all in turn responded to Open Orthodoxy by severing their ties with the Open Orthodox institutions. The RCA does not accredit the rabbinic qualifications of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah[45] or Yeshivat Maharat[46] graduates, the OU and Young Israel do not accept females as rabbinic clergy,[47] and Young Israel Synagogues no longer accept candidates with YCT accreditation.[48]

Two years later Lopatin resigned from the Rabbinical Council of America.[55]

The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, where Weiss served as rabbi (“Senior Rabbi”) until his retirement in 2015, and where he continues as “Rabbi in Residence”, continues to define itself as “an open Orthodox synagogue.”[57]

@anonymous jew, you know what? the MO community is growing by leaps and bounds and new MO schools are opening right and left. Rabbi Schoenfeld is just being delusional. now your happy?

@anonymous are you saying that MO community is growing?

@annyomus
I put out a list, can you match it with the one from the MO?

@anonymous Jew, what numbers are you questioning? I got the data directly from the sources.
If you tell me what comment your referring to I will be glad to give you the data.

@rubinb, other then those 5 mentioned place MO is dying out, and even in the 5 towns there has been a hard shift to the right in the past 25 years, fyi about half of the frum doctors are yeshivish, the fact is MO communities are shrinking and black hat and chasidish are growing by leaps and bounds, look at Staten Island for example the frum community was slowly diminishing very year until the chasidim came in the frum population shot up.

The fact is the MO community is withering away. 20% of the YI shul are barely functioning or not functioning.
a bunch of MO shuls merged with Chabad, YU has declining enrollment and REITS hardly function, contrast that with Lakewood, Mir and Brisk that are bursting at the seams .
Coed Day Schools are closing up or merging and the average age at a YI is 75.

@godol, A few years ago during the Ukrainian civil war, my grandmother a Auschwitz survivor ask me if one side was most pro Jewish so I told her both were about the same, so she said if that the case let them shecht each other out, the most vicious guards in the camps were the Ukrainians.

@syag, I like your boat analogy. I happen to own a boat, I don’t force anyone onto my boat,
Some boat owner make all passengers wear life jackets, some just children and some not at all.
If you don’t like the boat rules don’t go on that boat.
Each shul can and does decide what works for them, you don’t like it do go there.

@Forshayer, CTL, Greatfulblac, Yosefserbow
I respect your right to daven beyididus or with social distance outdoors, I am asking that you show the same respect for those who wish to daven with a minyan indoors without masks.
PS Gratefulblac I remember reading somewhere that Kol Nidray can substitute for htaras nidorim.

90% of the frum olam in the tri state area is davening with minyan, just a few nervous people don’t, my guess is that almost all frum shul save some YI and Avi Weiss type shul will be operating normally on Rosh Hashanah.
I would be davening with a minyan and with a new appreciation of me begayfah.

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I get three types of mail.
Give me
Pay me
Buy me
and I can do without all of the above.
CT LAWYER, I feel for you and I feel for most real estate people, but you average zlob working from paycheck to paycheck does not have real estate trusts, so be happy that you had the gravy train for all those years.
As to all ancillary services provided by USPS, the town and county clerks are passport acceptance agencies, most check cashers will give money orders for .50 to $1, and UPS stores have pick ups stations.

Sorry if I sound crass but Taxi were hurt by Uber, Typesetters were hurt by graphics computer programing and the buggy whip manufacturers were hurt by cars, its called change.

quite a number of camps in the Poconos and a lot of postings on go daven, should be no issue of a minyan during the week