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commonsaychelParticipant
Erev RH and you have not better to do with your time, nebech.
I am hardly a flaming Zionist but i have better stuff do then knock yidden.September 17, 2020 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm in reply to: Our Community Is Powerless: Here’s Why #1902638commonsaychelParticipant@CharlieHall, alternatively we can vote the GOP and to heck with the Dems, outside the metro jungles the GOP is very much alive
commonsaychelParticipant@zahavsdad, a closer analogy would be someone drinking chol akum, some hold it is muttar and some hold it is ussar.
Or better yet, some people would rather daven biychus then daven in a open orthodox place with “Female rabbis”, gay marriage is given a mazel tov and adherence to certain halacha is questionable, and some people find it great.commonsaychelParticipant“There are plenty of good reasons not to wear a mask that would not effect others. (Recently recovered and antibodies, tested negative a few days before and haven’t been anywhere, plan to maintain a six foot distance etc.) If a shul requires masks then you must wear a mask. If they don’t then one should not be forced to wear one. And if that makes some feel uncomfortable they can either go around asking people why they aren’t wearing it to determine if it’s safe or not take the risk and find another shul.”
Exactly my point, There is a shul in my neighborhood that is outdoor only with six foot distance and everyone must wear masks and gloves and bring own siddur, down the block is a shul that is operating normal. No one is forcing anyone to go anyplace, its ones choice.
Can I get Corona in spite of my having a high antibody count? who knows, but I can also drive down the highway and get hit head on by an 18 wheelerCh”v. Edited
commonsaychelParticipant@CTL when he was in Iowa last year for weeks at a time no one noticed the difference
commonsaychelParticipant* bodud, it was a typo
commonsaychelParticipant@Zahavsdad, yep and I plan to dancing wildly with all my fellow mispallim to that song.
BTW the words are kol yisroel not kol bnei yisroel.
PS if you feel the urge to sit home on simchas torah and sing aycha yoshva bodah no one is stopping youcommonsaychelParticipant@Syag, I have antibodies and so do my wife and kids, My FIL wants to wear his mask to shul
INSPITE of him having gotten covid, that fine with me, he make his decision and I make mine.
You want to lock yourself in some underground bunker, that is fine with me, you want to wear a mask and watch from a distance I am fine with that too the choice is yours.
Before I jet ski, go whitewater rafting or snowboarding I know of the risk that are involved.
If you don’t feel 100% comfortable in a room full of dancing people on Yom Tov, stay at home, that fine with me.
I plan to thank Hashem for the Torah and dance throughout Yom Tov, seesu vsimchu bsimchas torahcommonsaychelParticipant@syag, actually I am a grandparent several times over, its immaturity to try to tell people how to run the life’s.
As to being part of the community, I donated plasma six times, can you say the same?commonsaychelParticipant@ Syag & Moshe, I never tested positive and have antibody counts that is off the charts, I donated Covid Plasma six times and the blood banks keep calling me to donate again and again [ i am not going to get in this whole juvenile argument if you can get it twice because its pure speculation],
You want to stay in a underground bunker and shiver be my guest, but don’t try to shove your OPINION down my throat.
PS I plan to celebrate the Torah and life for hours and in close companycommonsaychelParticipant@n0m, how about this? you will do what is best for you and everyone will do what is best for them. Wow what a novel concept
commonsaychelParticipant@Toi there is a big suggestion box in the back of the room.
commonsaychelParticipant@BenK how about else coffee? how about lack of fresh salads, you can make an issue out of everything Chill out and mind your own business
commonsaychelParticipant@ Ben K, why don’t you mind your own business, if it annoys you take your son out of that yeshiva
commonsaychelParticipantI get nauseated by the endless drumbeat of the Covid 19 coverage
commonsaychelParticipantSo take your son out of that school, don’t worry about others MYOB
commonsaychelParticipantCNN reported that a Real Estate report shows over 15,000 vacant units in Manhattan, the highest ever reported
commonsaychelParticipant150 Business leaders just sent a letter to Deblazio saying the city is a wreck and getting worse with a complete lack of leadership
commonsaychelParticipant@ Charlie Hall, The shul my grandfather was affiliated with [ near Bronx Lebanon Hospital] was sold on condition that it can not be use as a house of worship
commonsaychelParticipantN95 is not effective if you have facial hair
commonsaychelParticipant@arvah, i get harassed for not wearing a mask so I guess we are even.
commonsaychelParticipant@jackk, the Atlantic is not anti Trump? if that is the case the KKK loves the NAACP
commonsaychelParticipant@Benephraim, You forgot to mention Dinkins first name was David and so was Dovid Hamelech
commonsaychelParticipant“Harav ?” Avi Weiss will endorse him and so will so called Rabbis of the Open Orthodox
commonsaychelParticipant@Charlie Hall, all those issues you mentioned are national in scope it does not explain why people are leaving NYC in DROVES!
commonsaychelParticipantLet him take the LSAT, if he does very well he has a shot at the part time program at Brooklyn Law or Cardozo.
commonsaychelParticipant@Abba S, quite a number of jobs can not be given to third world county simply because it is far to complex, for example telemedicine requires a state licensed doctor, Insurance requires a state license, Social Worker, Engineer, etc. Yes some back office work can be farmed out off shore but that stuff was happening pre covid.
As to the evictions by the time the moratorium runs out they will owe as least a year plus the process takes at lease another year so we are looking at 2 years of back rent, to complicate matters a lot of the lower income tenants work in jobs that they cant work remotely, i.e. office cleaners, hotel employees, restaurants, retail employees and many of those job disappeared.
I am scared NYC will look like it did in the 1970s with people abandoning buildings.commonsaychelParticipantThe most off the beaten track were I met a Jew was in Oaxaca Mexico in the mountains 300 miles south of Mexico City when I was walking down the street and someone came running out of a store yelling rak regah, turns out he was an Israeli who opened a electronic store there.
commonsaychelParticipant@ Sam Klein,
When I was a bucher many moons ago I hiked the New Hampshire part of the Appalachian Trail. We met two other frum hikers one day and benched with mezumin.
PS you never wrote where you had your pop up minyan.commonsaychelParticipantRemember Der Abister fert der velt
commonsaychelParticipant@ Charlie Hall
This does not look some made up attempt to slander, if it was then Steven Exler would have said that.
Jewish NewslinkIn an interview Tuesday in response to a request for information on this policy, Fagin told The Jewish Link that the matter has been settled, with HIR agreeing not to issue such announcements in the future. “The OU has been in touch with Hebrew Institute of Riverdale to discuss the OU’s recent policy statement. The discussions have been respectful, with the exchange of differing perspectives. The OU is pleased that the issue has been resolved in accordance with the OU’s policies, as set forth in its statement, as HIR has agreed to refrain from the practice we addressed.
“HIR has requested that we note that it was not their intention to create a public discussion or controversy,” said Fagin.
HIR’s Rabbi Steven Exler confirmed the validity of the OU statement, but did not make further comment.
commonsaychelParticipantI am not suggesting anything, it was two separate comments and a question
commonsaychelParticipant@Charlie Hall,
Doubt it it was the Rabbi from the White Shul that pushed the OU, doubt that the Rabbi would have bought into some doctored bulletin,commonsaychelParticipant@ Charlie Hall
Riverdale Press:
Same-sex marriage has been the law of the land for some time now, but many religious institutions — like Orthodox Judaism — refuse to embrace this “modern” way of thinking, citing laws that go back hundreds, if not thousands, of years.The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale is Orthodox, but has long been known to follow it’s own path in grappling with the strictures of traditional Jewish law to include women and LGBTQ Jews. It hosted a panel in 2016, for example, called “Building a Jewish Future Outside the Closet,” which focused on LGBTQ Jews in Orthodoxy, and its founding rabbi, Avi Weiss, was one of the signatories of a groundbreaking 2010 statement of principles by Orthodox leaders asserting an “obligation to treat human beings with same-sex attractions and orientations with dignity and respect.” The shul even congratulated same-sex couples on their weddings in its newsletter.
But announcements of marriage celebrations in violation of Orthodox law? No more.
The Orthodox Union — the largest association of Orthodox synagogues in the United States — has reinforced its opposition to same-sex marriage congratulations, calling them an “institutional endorsement” of something it considers a sin.
commonsaychelParticipant@ Charlie Hall
Jewishlink:
Last week, Rabbi Yair Hoffman, in an article for the Five Towns Jewish Times, reported that Rabbi Eytan Feiner of the White Shul in Far Rockway, Queens, had issued remarks condemning the much-publicized act of wishing official mazel tovs (in shul publications and from the bimah) to people celebrating same-sex unions, a practice that took place at the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale. In his Shabbat drasha, according to multiple reports, Rabbi Feiner said that if the OU did not move on the matter he would have no choice but to reconsider the White Shul’s affiliation with the OU.The complex, nuanced issue of whether to issue celebratory statements for non-halachically sanctioned acts or celebrations in Orthodox Union institutions is not new, but what happened next was. Rabbi Hoffman asked the Orthodox Union for comment, and Allen Fagin, the organization’s CEO issued the following statement: “It is the OU’s unequivocal position that support for, or celebration of, halachically proscribed conduct is fundamentally inappropriate. Accordingly, the institutional endorsement or encouragement (implicit or explicit) of any conduct that is contrary to halacha is activity that no Orthodox synagogue should allow. With this principle in mind, we are currently in the process of reviewing our synagogue standards to determine whether further comment, or other action, is appropriate.”
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In an interview Tuesday in response to a request for information on this policy, Fagin told The Jewish Link that the matter has been settled, with HIR agreeing not to issue such announcements in the future. “The OU has been in touch with Hebrew Institute of Riverdale to discuss the OU’s recent policy statement. The discussions have been respectful, with the exchange of differing perspectives. The OU is pleased that the issue has been resolved in accordance with the OU’s policies, as set forth in its statement, as HIR has agreed to refrain from the practice we addressed.
“HIR has requested that we note that it was not their intention to create a public discussion or controversy,” said Fagin.
commonsaychelParticipant@ Reb Eilezer
that is more a halachic discussion, not the discussion of individual acts. this is what I want to hear, not a halachic analysis .commonsaychelParticipant@Charlie Hall,
They stopped writing mazal tov for gay marriage in the shul bulletins and they stop having females lead services.
Those were the things that the OU said the will pull the plug on.commonsaychelParticipant@Charle Hall
“That is not accurate. The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale remains an OU member synagogue and cooperates with RCA rabbis and YI synagogues.”
In the past 5 years HIR was twice warned to change its policies or risk being thrown out of the OUcommonsaychelParticipant@Charlie Hall
Wikipedia:The Conference of European Rabbis followed suit that same month, stating, “The Conference views with great pain the deviations from religious foundations emanating from the movement called ‘Open Orthodoxy’, and warns that those who act in this spirit, alumni of the aforementioned movement… will not be recognized by us as rabbis, with all that entails.”
Similar sentiments were echoed in a press release of a ruling by the Rabbinical Alliance of America on February 22, 2018, likening Open Orthodoxy to Reform and Conservative Judaism, and stating, “The clergy of this movement are espousing philosophies of the generation of the Sin of the Golden Calf.”[36]
Prominent Central Orthodoxy leaders have also stated that Open Orthodox practices or beliefs are incongruent with Orthodox Judaism. These include Hershel Schacter, Rosh Yeshiva at Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary (RIETS), Yeshiva University[37][38] and Avrohom Gordimer, a rabbinic coordinator at OU Kosher[39][40] among others.
OU/RCA response
Steven Pruzansky, rabbi of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey and a trustee of the Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) on the Board of the Beth Din of America,[41] argues that Weiss’ approach closely resembles early 20th century American Conservative Judaism and in his opinion would more aptly be called “Neo-Conservative” rather than “Orthodox” Judaism. Concluding an opinion piece in Matzav.com he states that “clarity and honesty at least demand that we recognize before our eyes the creation of a new movement in Jewish life outside the Orthodox world, one that we have seen before. It can be termed … Neo-Conservatism. ‘Open Orthodoxy’ is a deceptive brand name, an advertising slogan, and an attempt to remain tethered to the Torah world to re-shape it from within, but far from the reality. The reality is that we are living through the rise of the Neo-Conservatives.” [42] Moshe Averick, a columnist for the Jewish magazine The Algemeiner Journal and author of Nonsense of a High Order: The Confused and Illusory World of the Atheist, agrees with Pruzansky that Weiss has created a new Jewish movement in America, comparing him with Isaac Mayer Wise (founder of Reform Judaism) and Solomon Schechter (founder of Conservative Judaism in the United States). He compares Weiss’s ordination of three women as Maharat on June 16, 2013, with the so-called Trefa Banquet of 1883, which marked the split between Reform and Traditional Judaism in America. Says Averick: “Weiss’ movement, a form of Judaism that enthusiastically embraces the ideologies of feminism and liberal-progressive-modernism while coating it with a strong Orthodox flavor, could accurately be labeled as Ortho-Feminist Progressive Judaism,” but “the term coined by Rabbi Steven Pruzansky … Neo-Conservative Judaism … has managed to fit neatly into the slot to the left of Orthodox Judaism and to the right of Conservative Judaism.”[43] In October 2013, dozens of rabbis who defined themselves as “members in good standing or [who] identify with the Rabbinical Council of America”, signed a letter arguing that Open Orthodoxy has “plunged ahead, again and again, across the border that divides Orthodoxy from neo-Conservatism”.[44]The Orthodox Union (OU), Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) and National Council of Young Israel have all in turn responded to Open Orthodoxy by severing their ties with the Open Orthodox institutions. The RCA does not accredit the rabbinic qualifications of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah[45] or Yeshivat Maharat[46] graduates, the OU and Young Israel do not accept females as rabbinic clergy,[47] and Young Israel Synagogues no longer accept candidates with YCT accreditation.[48]
Two years later Lopatin resigned from the Rabbinical Council of America.[55]
The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, where Weiss served as rabbi (“Senior Rabbi”) until his retirement in 2015, and where he continues as “Rabbi in Residence”, continues to define itself as “an open Orthodox synagogue.”[57]
commonsaychelParticipant@anonomous jew,
You want hard facts the the MO community is shrinking?
Fact: 10 MO schools closed or merged in the last decade,
Source: AVI CHAI ten year census of Jewish School, 2020.
Fact: The MO community is aging
Source: Wikipedia: of the top 25 largest YI, 10 are located in retirement communities.
Fact: All but two MO shuls in Suffolk County do not have regular minyan
Source: Godaven.comNow prove to me that the MO community is thriving.
commonsaychelParticipant@anonymous jew, you know what? the MO community is growing by leaps and bounds and new MO schools are opening right and left. Rabbi Schoenfeld is just being delusional. now your happy?
commonsaychelParticipantI did, It may not be to your liking, but the fact remains that the MO community is shrinking.
commonsaychelParticipant@anonymous are you saying that MO community is growing?
commonsaychelParticipantFor those who are saying Elul, I am not gloating I am merely commenting on the article.
Fact is the MO community is shrinking, Yeshivat Rambam, Yeshiva Atlanta, Hebrew Academy of Suffolk all closed due to declining enrollment, Shulamit of Brooklyn sold its building and now rents a floor for its school.
ASHAR in Rockland took a hard turn to the right.
Of 25 or so MO shuls in Suffolk County only 2 have a daily minyan rest can hardly muster a minyan during shabbos.
That’s just two examples of shrinkage in the MO communitycommonsaychelParticipant@annyomus
I put out a list, can you match it with the one from the MO?commonsaychelParticipant@Charlie Hall,
Its very nice that everyone is singing kumbaya in Riverdale, fact of the matter is the RCA, OU and YI banned anything to do with Avi Weiss and his ilk of open orthodox.commonsaychelParticipant@anonymous Jew, what numbers are you questioning? I got the data directly from the sources.
If you tell me what comment your referring to I will be glad to give you the data.commonsaychelParticipant@shebbesonian,YU lost ground to Turo because Touro made a concerted effort to attract Yeshivish and Chasidish.
I wrote Successful Businessmen meaning worth in the multi Millions or Billions not a partner in a law firm,
for example:
Ruby Shroen -Yeshivish
David Lichenstein -Yeshivish
Benzion Freshwater- London Chasidish
Ellish Englander -Chadish
Shlomo Rechnitz- Yeshivish
Ralph Hertzka -Yeshivish
Yosell Tabak- Chasdish
Shlomo Werdiger- Gur Chosid
Harry Klein -Chasidish
Hershal Schreiber _Chasidish
Leizer Kestenbaum -Chasidish
Barry Ziskind and Karfunkel brothers- Yeshivish
Shimmy Glick- Yeshivish
Ruven Dressler- Yeshivish
Hershy Freidman- Yeshivish,
Can You match a similar list of MO people in that net worth?commonsaychelParticipant@rubinb, other then those 5 mentioned place MO is dying out, and even in the 5 towns there has been a hard shift to the right in the past 25 years, fyi about half of the frum doctors are yeshivish, the fact is MO communities are shrinking and black hat and chasidish are growing by leaps and bounds, look at Staten Island for example the frum community was slowly diminishing very year until the chasidim came in the frum population shot up.
commonsaychelParticipant@shebbesonian, I am well aware of the shuls in Riverdale, I was addressing this to Charlie Hall and about the Hebrew Institute.
I can tell your that Riverdale is the exception rather then the norm, look at the number of MO shuls that closing or merging and the declining enrollment in YU and Mercaz Harav and the lack of space in Lakewood, Mir and Brisk.
PS most successful frum businessmen in the US are either black hat or Chasidish. -
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