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Its a blat flek in the family for the most part, disfuction, divorice, prison record, history of mental illness etc. and that makes it less desirable.

“Geirim often have an easier time with shiddichim in the Chassidishe world” thats because if the person went to a reliable bais din, there is no issue that he/she is a kosher yid, whereas with a BT there is a good chance the mother/ grandmother is a shiksa, not to mention issues of bnai niddah

@AAQ, I am not talking about any particular community but the chasidish and black hats, my guess its 3 generations

There was a chushiver lubabiviicher who was gaza and had a son who shall we say was not the prime example of a prized bucher got engaged to a BT plumbers daughter at the vort, the plumber told the chuvisher yid “mechuten zetch zich oyvin un” and the yid replied “nur vil man yungatch hut zich baleebed in din miedel mant min nisht az uz zennin mechutunim”

@Aviria, In the Chadisher velt and in the vast majority of the yeshivishe velt no one would do a shidduch witth a BT or a ger unless there was a major pegam with that person or family [ie history of mental issues, jailed parent, broken home etc etc] It may not be fair but its fact, one of my neighbors is a great boy whos parents are BTs and the parents dont want BTs for mechetonim, and no one from the mainstream want to do a shidduch with them.

@Avrira, The reason I asked is because it very relevant to this discussion, if your trying to claim something about how the Satmarer Rebbe would have felt you would need to have first hand knowledge from someone who Rebbe had close daily chaychus to such as Reb Hertz Frankel AH, Reb Yossel Ashkinazi AH, Reb Sender Deutch AH Reb Leibish Lefkowitz AH Reb Eziel Glick AH, if that “shem dover” is not one of the list he was not from the inner circle.

The reason I brought up my grandfather was because he was one of the few surviving mishpocha that the Rebbe had in America and as a result they were very close and that how I know a lot better then you do of what the Rebbe’s thoughts were.
The Rebbe’s opposition to Kiruv had nothing to do with rationing of limited resources, if the Rebbe felt that was our tafkid nothing stood in his way, his concern was mechenecha kodosh and that is why he built Kiryas Joel to keep out outside influences [including kiruv].
Satmar does kiruv in its own way, the Satmar Bikur Cholem will give kosher food to any Jew who is hospitilized, Rav Tov helped yidden in Arab countries and behind the iron curtain, they help incarcerated yidden long before Aleph Institute was created, I personaly saw Reb Yiddle Rosenberg ZL give away boxes of matzahs to group leaders of out of town MO groups who came to tour the matzah bakery.
Do us all a favor and refrain from saying stuff that you have no first hand knowledge about.

@DBS, Did you know Rabbi Friefeld ZTL on a personal basis? I did, and I can tell you he was very careful who he let into the confines of the Yeshiva

The off year are the local races, those get the most heated

@lostpark, with all due respect I have no clue what you are saying

@nist, Unforturantly I can vouch about the ramblings at a levayah, there was the head of chedra kadisha in a certain area who use to be mapid and ramble on about himself

@Syag, I was wrong at point out that they were “talminay chaochim” I said that as a point of reference, I would have been upset if two Baal batim met at a bais ovel and spent the time having a cross converation of the finer points of owning a Telsa or what the chances of a team winning the World Cup.

@Jackk, I will be dan lcav zechus, and assume they were so happy to see each other and reminisce and talk in learning that they forgot they were in a bais ovel, and the former RY has no pulpit to expound his ideas.

@Syag, it really peved me that night and had to get it off my chest, sadly this not the first time I had seen this behavior, in this case both of the men who felt compelled to show off how learned they were.
As to the former rosh yeshiva, if the guy had a bread route I doubt he would of held court as to what his haskafa is.

@AAQ, “I think it is zechus to a neshomah if his works lead to some interesting Torah discussions”
This discussion is very much like the people who come to be menachem ovel and get a whole discussion with each other about various topic and totally ignore the ovel, someone started a new thread feel free to continue ” interesting Torah discussions” there or start a new thead called “interesting Torah discussions”