commonsaychel

I hope this thead does not morph into a anti Chabad forum, my issue is with people competing with santa and xmas tree lighting that was never done since we established chanuka, not Chabad per se.
FYI I wrote quite a number of post negitive of the need to have frum people make a motorcade for trump and frankly that is a few people gping overboard in voicing an opinon for a political candidate.
@Zahvahasdad, I lit according to halacha, ner ish oo bayso, I have zero interest in having 100s of people watching me light the menorah

There is a HUGE difference, one being the court of law and second being the court of public opinion.

In a court of law I would support Chabad 100% if they were denied the permit even sending a check to legal fund, simply reason, Menorah today, shul closure tomorrow, Metzitza ban the next day, Bris ban after that, very simple we have to stop the anti religious bias in its tracks.

In the court of public opinion I find it absurd the need to have a public meorah lighting in every little dorf, and to drive around town with menorahs on the roof of the cars all under the guise of “persumi nisa” If either one was the case Reb Moshe Feinstein, Rabbi JB Soloveitchik or the Bobover Rebbe for example would have done it here in the US, all were makpid on hidur mitzva.
And frankly I don’t think a ragtag line of Harleys with mounted menorahs followed by a school bus of kids hollering out the windows, followed by a bunch of minvans is persumi nisa.
Eidelkiet is the hallmark of the Jewish nations

@TSBaum “It’s two words:Pirsumei Nisa.”
Sorry it does not quite cut the mustard, if this was a mitzvah or even a hidur mitzva, then you have have seen the Chofetz Chaim in Radin, the Sanzer Rebbeh in Sanz, Babba Salli in Morocco or the Tzemach Tedeck in Russia lighting the menorah in the town square or mounting it in the back of the horse and wagon, this has nothing to do with Prsuma Nisa and everything to do with competing for attention with a certain goyisher symbol.
I challange you to show proof of similar actions prior to 50 years ago

@GH, there was a frum assemblyman in IL. serveral State elected official in NY and NJ I think in CA as well, I know at the local level we have quite a few

UJM: learn to seperate fact from opinion
for example:
Fact: Leafs fall from the tree during autumn
Opinion 1 Its a great time of year becuase get to see the fall foilage
Opinion 2 It an annoying time of year becaus to have to rake up all the leafs

@yserbius, last year I davened in pop up minyanim in Bryce Canyon, Horseshoe Bend [50 ppl here in that mincha / Mariv, a number of ppl were boating in lake powell] and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon

@ujm your sense of humor is amazing, stick to your day job