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@Jackk, its already happening in 90% of colllege campuses so to anwer your question NO it wont bother me

@Jackk, I could not care less if the money went to muslim , buddhists and scientology schools, in fact I find those far less offensive then some of the drivel being rammed in public schools.
FYI Hogwart is in the UK where the money can be used for any school

, it’s the involvement of politicians in the Chanukah “motorcades” that makes me cringe.
So we agree on something

@lostpark
1. That is one persons take on it, I am sure the ACLU has a differnt take on it, I am not even going to respond on the context of the statement.

2. Light in front of the Chabad house, I have no issue with that, my issue is that they insist on having it next to the xmas tree in Cheyenne Wy., Oskosh Wi. or Bayou Laforce La., Frum yidden were on the American shores for over 100 years prior to 1981, including some giants such has Satmar Rav, Bobover Rav, Reb Moshe Feinstein, Reb Shrage Fievel Mendlowitz, if this would have been a high priority of yiddishkiet any of these giants would have done it long before 1981.

3. We started with the public lighing of the menorah in the town square by your local goy with a party and morphed in rooftop menorahs, chanuaka parades, then to giant blow-up bears with kippas and dreydels in their front yards, and laser light magen davids dancing on their houses under twinkly snowflake decorations.
I am content with my yiddishkiet and dont need to be in your face about it. As @TS Baum summed it up, its all about competing with old st nick and the end justify the means.

Avram in MD, I have nothing against Chabad, I have no issue with them building a sukka. having a lag bomer BBQ, or a large seders none of those are trying to compete with old st nick, I started this tread because I find those actions cringworthy, I dont care if it was Satmar, Brisk or Breslov its way too in you face. FYI I find party aspect of certain sub groups on Rosh Hasonah in Uman repusive as well.

“Giant blow-up bears with kippas and dreydels in their front yards, or those who do the laser light magen davids dancing on their houses under twinkly snowflake decorations” I find those beyond repulsive but this is a natural next step in the progression downward, so thank you minivans.

Now as to the trump connections even if they are tottaly unrelated, here is one of my comments at least I consistant.
“I am a lifelong GOPer and was a member of the Executive committee at one point, I have a Trump yard sign of my front lawn, I have participated in demonstrations against Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson so I cant be call a lefty.
I still cant understand the purpose of the motorcade driving in Manhattan, was it to be in your face? I am serious I am trying to understand the thought process.”

I hope this thead does not morph into a anti Chabad forum, my issue is with people competing with santa and xmas tree lighting that was never done since we established chanuka, not Chabad per se.
FYI I wrote quite a number of post negitive of the need to have frum people make a motorcade for trump and frankly that is a few people gping overboard in voicing an opinon for a political candidate.
@Zahvahasdad, I lit according to halacha, ner ish oo bayso, I have zero interest in having 100s of people watching me light the menorah

There is a HUGE difference, one being the court of law and second being the court of public opinion.

In a court of law I would support Chabad 100% if they were denied the permit even sending a check to legal fund, simply reason, Menorah today, shul closure tomorrow, Metzitza ban the next day, Bris ban after that, very simple we have to stop the anti religious bias in its tracks.

In the court of public opinion I find it absurd the need to have a public meorah lighting in every little dorf, and to drive around town with menorahs on the roof of the cars all under the guise of “persumi nisa” If either one was the case Reb Moshe Feinstein, Rabbi JB Soloveitchik or the Bobover Rebbe for example would have done it here in the US, all were makpid on hidur mitzva.
And frankly I don’t think a ragtag line of Harleys with mounted menorahs followed by a school bus of kids hollering out the windows, followed by a bunch of minvans is persumi nisa.
Eidelkiet is the hallmark of the Jewish nations

@TSBaum “It’s two words:Pirsumei Nisa.”
Sorry it does not quite cut the mustard, if this was a mitzvah or even a hidur mitzva, then you have have seen the Chofetz Chaim in Radin, the Sanzer Rebbeh in Sanz, Babba Salli in Morocco or the Tzemach Tedeck in Russia lighting the menorah in the town square or mounting it in the back of the horse and wagon, this has nothing to do with Prsuma Nisa and everything to do with competing for attention with a certain goyisher symbol.
I challange you to show proof of similar actions prior to 50 years ago