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Maybe a good place to start, would be to have ashkenazim more accepting of sephardim. I think a lot of the insecurities of sefardim, stem from comments and being treated like a second-class citizen by some ashkenazim. I can tell you countless stories in which I have been ridiculed by ashkenazim for no other reason than being married a sephardi.
Actually Toi, you are the one with your head in the sand and so are the recruits who allowed their peyos to be cut. I don’t live in Israel but just from my occasional visits there, I can say I have seen numerous soldiers in uniform with nice long peyos.
Very timely thread as I just came home from work and found a note on my husbands car that said “hatzalah members are not above the law…” because the car parked by a no standing sign. Well believe it or not, that sign was put up either today or yesterday – after my husband parked his car there! Next time maybe try to be dan lekaf zechus!
Hi Sushe,
I had one and would love to share my experience and knowledge with you but would prefer not to do so in a “public forum.” If you can obtain my email address from the mods, feel free to send me an email!
Observanteen, I am just wondering where you got the info that 50% of MO teens text on shabbos.
I am not a huge coffee room follower and did not follow the texting on shabbos thread, but I am just wondering where the stats came from.
I rarely post here but just had to respond to this conversation.
I wonder how many posters here that are proclaiming facebook as treif have ever been on it! I have facebook and am a member of various other online “boards” and I have seen more loshon hara, being hurtful and disgusting to others, and things that can be considered inapproriate in this very coffee room than on facebook or any other sites I visit!
yacr85, I am going to play along with your “imaginary example” for a moment. Say the roads in the US were drive-able but very dangerous – ditches everywhere, falling rocks, car-jackers around every corner – would you still choose to move to the US?? How about if no one in the position to change the current road safety situation in the US cared to do so? This is the current state of obstetric care in the US.
You go on to say in a hospital you are in a safe environment “…with people to help you in the natural most normal way of the procedure.” Most of the “helping” that is done to patients in the labor and delivery ward is totally opposite of natural and normal! (Does inserting a secretion from a pig into a woman’s body fall under the category of natural and normal??) Most complications arise in hospitals as a result of the unnatural procedures that are so commonly done and inhibit the natural birthing process that Hashem created a woman’s body capable of doing.
LAer, there are two type of epidurals. One is a walking epirdural which allows you to move around from the waste down. Many hospitals dont even offer walking epidurals so yes most epidurals that laboring women receive do not allow them to have any sensation in their legs and walk around.
I cut and pasted a study from Canada below. go to to see full study http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/181/6-7/377 for the full text. While it doesnt compare specifics of epidurals, it compares hosiptal births attended by doctors, hospital births attended by midwives, and homebirths attended by midwives.
Methods: We included all planned home births attended by registered midwives from Jan. 1, 2000, to Dec. 31, 2004, in British Columbia, Canada (n = 2889), and all planned hospital births meeting the eligibility requirements for home birth that were attended by the same cohort of midwives (n = 4752). We also included a matched sample of physician-attended planned hospital births (n = 5331). The primary outcome measure was perinatal mortality; secondary outcomes were obstetric interventions and adverse maternal and neonatal outcomes.
Results: The rate of perinatal death per 1000 births was 0.35 (95% confidence interval [CI] [RR]
Interpretation: Planned home birth attended by a registered midwife was associated with very low and comparable rates of perinatal death and reduced rates of obstetric interventions and other adverse perinatal outcomes compared with planned hospital birth attended by a midwife or physician.
@ Health – I am not “one of these doulas” as you put it. I am a woman who went thru a completely unnecessary c c-section, was unable to see my baby for over 24 hours after birth because not one nurse thought it was important to help me get up to see the baby, and not allowed to nurse her for almost the whole time I was in the hospital due to the drugs they had me on. I then did significant research and reading to make my next labor better. I feel empowered with the knowledge I have and I feel bad for those who are left in the dark. Homebirth is not for everyone but the stigma attached to it makes people not even bother looking into it and judge others who have done it.
“I would liken many OB’s and nurses to reading Torah without any knowledge of the Oral Torah. There’s a rich knowledge of birth through thousands of years of midwifery that gets overlooked in the name of medical births…” Maybe frumladygit can confirm but I don’t believe Ina May Gaskin has actual medical training, rather everything she knows, does, and teaches is thru “learning on the job.” It could be she eventually received training but when she first started delivering babies her only knowledge base was from reading.
Again, homebirth is not for everyone but the stigma associated with it is absolutely ridiculous and I have found that women who choose homebirth are extremely educated about labor and delivery.
I just had to weigh in over here and provide some insight and statistics. I honestly think if more people were educated about the state of labor and delivery healthcare and knew more about homebirth, more women would be choosing to give birth at home or at least acknowledging that homebirth is a safe option (for most women). Obviously women who are high risk should not be giving birth at home.
Here are a few facts: most of my facts are not up to 2011 however, they are within the past 5 years.
2) Maternal mortality and morbidity is grossly underreported in the US. Many states have no law requiring the death certificate to state if the woman was pregnant or died within a certain length of time after birth. Research shows that the maternal mortality rate may actually be more than double of what is really reported. (There are countries many people have never even heard of that have better mortality rates than the US!)