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Rso you seem to get offended from Lubavitche, everything they do or hold is wrong, just because you weren’t brought up this way. The only thing you say we have zechusim is when you get some kosher food in the middle of nowhere. (Because in the end of the day it’s your life and tummy).

It seems like your little brain is smarter then the whole Lubavitche and the 7 Rebbeim. You still didn’t tell me which model said agenst the Rebbe and what exactly did he say and what did the Rebbe say back.

Yes just because Lubavitche happens to be a very successful through out the world, doesn’t mean you have to find all the problems to put them down and a say all the loshen horoah and moitzi Shem rah.

(By the nachinal menorah Rabbi Shem tov was holding the torch together with him.)

We all have problems that we have to fix, but you for some reason are looking to find them.

So first what’s the maskona?
And let’s say you have a have mina, just because of that hava mina, you are going to call Lubavitche koifrim?

Why don’t you have a hava mina that the davaning at Rav Shtieman zatzal keiver is avodah zarah???

K I finally found some time.

There is a lot to respond to.

First it appears to me (though I might be wrong), I really think that there is something behind all these comments and complaints that you guys say against chabad, which might be something you’re upset about, or you don’t want it change your mindset, or you’re scared someone might mock you if you hold like this, which all this is bringing you to say all this loshen horoah and moitzi Shem rah, (besides a few things like tznius, and zman tefilah), and any story a chabad person says you say it’s fiction, no matter how many ‘rayas’ he has. (Sundial we still have to figure out and discuss).

btw it only makes sense that a story about chabad is brought in chabad mekoros, and same goes with ponevitch, brisk, and satmer. So because all of this you’re not interested before you’re miotzoi sham rah to check up the mekoirs, if you’re really sincere person you would open some seforim, chabad seforim too, do some research, you should listen to Rabbi YY Jacobson he gives really good shiurim on a lot of topics for example basics of Emuna (he is speaking to a non Lubavitche crowd. Check him up at theYeshiva.net before you start calling us koifrim.

I personally listen to other shiurim besides chabad, for example harav Aryeili shlita, he gives a very good shiur in Gemorah leyiun. And If you want I should listen to someone giving a shiur that chabad are koifrim I don’t mind listening to it, and see what he has to say.

So i will like to know what’s the core problem that’s bothering you guys. And I don’t mind to discuss it, as long as time allows.

Now I think we have to start with this, the tzidkus of the Rebbe/Rebbeim and then we can discuss everything else.

First how do we know or see if someone is a holy man, a tzadik or a godol?

I’m sure everyone can agree that we can see in the way the person acts, his day to day life. A godol by how much Torah he learned and his dedication to Torah etc etc. And by a tzadik also the way he is devoted to Torah.. and also the the miracles he does, and ruach hakodesh he has. (There is a a lot more to elaborate on both but it’s enough for now).

So now I will say again and try to be more clear.

When someone does moifsim and has roach hakodesh, not that one person says he has regarding a personal story he had with the Rebbe and not only chabad. But thousands upon thousands of the Lubavitchers, and amongst them litvaks and chassidisher, say their personal stories they had with the Rebbe that he had Ruach hakodesh and the miracles he has done for them, through davaning to the aibershter for them spiritually and physically. All these people are עדים that say it regarding them, ע”פ שני עדים יקום דבר but here there are tens of thousands.

After all that it’s not so easy to say that he is not a tzadik and the storys (you don’t like hearing) are fiction.

Just like regarding the Holocaust if someone says that it didn’t happen or it doesn’t make sense for someone reason or another, you would shut him up because we have Holocaust survivors that say eidus that it happened to them personally.

If you’re going to want to just disregard and say “heh most gedoilim don’t agree”,  then tell me which one, and what did he say about Rebbe and his tzidkus, and we can have a conversation about that.

Now regarding people calling me “brainwashed”. (Which is a matter of opinion and I can say the same thing about you). All I could say is a story about Rav shtieman zatzal (who’s Yortziet was today) that he was asked from the kehilah in Switzerland, that chabad has a School or preschool there, and they are wondering if they should make a separate one and not send their kids to the chabad one. Rav Shtieman told them they shouldn’t open a separate one, rather they should send their kids to the chabad School. (I heard this from the shliachs son in law).

Now if you say chabad is brainwashed than why would Rav Shtieman tell them to send their kids there?? Are you going say chas vesholom that he is brain….. (I won’t even say it). That’s one story.

Also if anybody knows Rabbi Wolfson shlita in boro park he was originally a litvak, he is a well respected rabbi in boro Park and what he says in support about lubavitch and the Rebbe is ein leshayer. He brings people to the Rebbe ohel etc. etc.

Rabbi YY Jacobson has hundreds of people listening to his shiur, same with Rabbi Shais Taub in the Ami Magazine, your going to say they are all getting Brienwashed? Including Litvaks?

I could bring so many more stories and people, but my point is that not only does chabad support their shita and Rebbe but so do many others, Yes, including litvaks.

I am therefore dumbfounded how you, claiming that you are a shomer torah umitzvos, would call another yid, a group of yidden, thousands of yidden, an eidah k’deisha, “brainwashed”, for your own convenience. May hashem have rachmonus on you. (Perhaps if you learned some chassidus, you would have a better understanding an ability how to fulfill the mitzvas ese d’ureisa, AHAVAS YISROEL).

Now regarding the claims that the friediker Rebbe wrote negative about misnagdim.

To my knowledge he only went against the haskalah movement (those were the misnagdim), in fact when he was in Russia in the Soviet Union in took his responsibility to take care of klal Yisrael he sent his best chassidim on msiras nefesh to make underground chadorim in different little city’s for All yiddin, this all documented, the two well known ones are simcha goridetzky and bentsh Shem tov. Not only that the friediker Rebbe sent mainly bochrim to do the job, in case they are caught so that there won’t be any Agunaos, my great grandfather was amongst them. And when he came to America he gave money to a lot of non Lubavitcher yeshivois because there were closing down for example yeshivas Torah Vedas (well known story which was a s told over by a witness).

So from the above it doesn’t seem he hated them.

Regarding shchita, first of all, many Lubavitchers do eat non-Lubavitcher shchita. Personally, I am makpid to eat only Lubavitcher shchita, simply because I know Rav Hamachshir personally and therefore know him to be a big yiras shomayim and could be trusted. At the same time, when I travel, and i’m in england or eretz yisroel, I eat kedasya or edah hachareidus shchita, knowing that they have very high standards and can be trusted.

By you guys, there is a book that came out from professor Berger, saying our shchita is treif, based on his baseless sources (including baseless hatred, of sinas yisroel…), that we daven to the rebbe. (Hashem yerachem olov v’al nishmoso).

Btw all you guys that get stuck in some island or go on vacation somewhere and rely on the shliach there, do you think they are serving you Lubavitche shchita? You don’t seem to care, or even ask, as long as you have your cholent for shabbos. And then complain that he couldn’t get together a minyan for mincha (if you really cared you go there on vacation there in the first place).

It’s all because you just think about yourself.

Funny story someone comes knocking on my door that he’s daughter needs the bathroom like, how did he find us, he checked up chabad.org. (which I don’t mind people using my bathroom).

Now I happen to come across an advertisement in the Ami magazine this past week, saying that there will be a Atzeres Tefilah by the kever of Horav Shteinman zatzal, and all kvitel can be emailed to …..     (Interestingly, the whole concept of a kvitel come from chassidishe sources…) and for some reason no one says that THEY are kofrim and they are davening to avoda zora (as you said previously regarding those going to the Rebbe’s tzion). Because the truth is, we both do the same thing. We both go to our gedolim to daven on our behalf. But for some reason you call us koifrim.

I hope these points came through.

All those that to listen to a shiur on basics of Emuna you can go to they Shiva.net Rebbi Jacobson gives a good shuir on the topic.

Best wishes for a freilichen chanukah. May the light of chanukah dispel the much darkness, and we should be zoche to bias moshiach tzikeinu. ויקוים הכתוב “ומלאה הארץ דיעה את ה’’ כמים לים מכסים”.

Any further questions or comments, feel free to ask.

If you want to learn chassidus, i will be happy to help you.

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Non Political
Have you ever learned chassidus? It sure doesn’t seem like it especially chabad chassidus (I could be wrong). I have been learning chassidus for many years and I can say that it’s speaks about Hashem different levels, the gadlus of the oibershther and the power of him, the meaning of Torah and mitzvos, the tachlis why the world was created and what to we accomplice how many do Torah and mitzvos. All I. A way that you can understand and live your conscious life based upon it.
I could go on and on
There is hundreds and hundredths sefrei chabad that helps your avodas Hashem, just from the Rebbe himself there is about 250 seforim chassidus nigleh vechulu.
And the way the remchal was holy person, but could be he was taking about beftthe the Bal hatanyas times, Don’t know, we should check it up.
And do you learn the remchals chassidus at all? Or you just bringing him for political purposes?.

Neville why do you always seem to get personally offended?
Yes after some people are being moitzeh sham rah/ loshen horoah……. I do intend to stick up for Lubavitch.
If you want to start nitpicking on different problems Lubavitch has then don’t worry I could do the same thing back, because nobody is perfect, no matter from what kries your from whether chabad, litvish, or chassidish, we all have on what to work on.
But when you come out against chabad that they are koifrim…. And the Rebbe is worng….. and shita of Chabad chassidus is worng, (when you probably never really learned chassidus and you don’t ky what a Rebbe is, you got to have real evidence and rayes. Not just relying on what you hear.
And besides the point who are we to argue, in order for someone to have a shita against chabad you need to somewhat be equivalent to a Rebbe or a godel.
All I see is that most of the world holds that the Rebbe was a tzadik and made miracles for everyone, and had ruach hakidesh. I see this from non Lubavitchers, just you should know that very week for the past 5 years at lt a publication comes out with personal encounters that people had with the Rebbe and half of them are non Lubavitchers. So you need to have big plaitzes to say against his tzidkus.
Hope this didn’t come out harsh.

How about we discuss with mikoirios what each shita of avodah is, Lubavitche litvish and chassidish, and we can agree at times and argue, it’s only normal, instead of all the loshen horoah, that will go on to no end. Believe me we all have a lot to say about each other, just must people rather refrain.

Toli
I will try to the best of my ability to answer your questions.
Just to note you’re asking me what other people said ( B) and C)), which I will try to explain.
To question
A) chabad is not an organization for the non religious, it’s a shita which stems all the way from the Bal Shem tov to to reveal Hashem and constantly be conscious about it as much as possible, within out self and the entire world, meaning frum people should learn more penimius hatorah (just focus more on Hashem himself, understand what he is, and applying it to our conscious lives, opposed to nigleh hatorah you only see chomoh of Hashem) non frum people to tell them what Hashem want some of them, that Hashem gave us the torah to the Jews, the chosen Nation….. And to the non Jews explain to them the seven noahide laws. It’s all about revealing Hashem in our personal lives and consciously focused on him and doing everything for for his sake…
That should probably explain why they opened a chabad house there.
B) coming soon… I just running out of time.

What will happen if your questions get answered? Are you going to change your mind or just going to say it’s not a good answer?
I would like to first be makdim:
I don’t hate you, and I’m not saying CV”s that another ways in anodah are wrong, rather that I personally think that chabad chassidus has a lot to enhance in klal Yisraels avodah, and that’s what chabad is here for, from the Bal Shem tov, Bal hatanya and onwards. All the rabbeim wore here to help klal Yisrael with whatever they need in there avodah.
And just because I’m chabad it doesn’t mean I’m more special then you, I just personally feel lucky that I was born into a chabad family, and had the privilege to learn for many years chassidus. Not because I’m more talented in anyway. And I’m here just to share what chabad has to offer, cuz I feel it could help and has helped a lot of people.
Just trying to get some stuff straight before we continue having a conversation

Rso
I hear your question.
But do you know how a sundail works? I definitely don’t.
And how would you explain the Gemorah (which doesn’t say how far the object has to be, it just says onc it begins to move something can block it.

tfaceBURN
“The story goes that after being released he was taken to the wrong apartment and instead of being in the house of a chosid he was in the house of a misnged where he was forced to debate his host for three hours and defend chasidus. He later famously said that those three hours were worse than the entire time he spent in prison. This happened on Kislev 20.
Now the fact is that there is no source for this story other than the writings of the Frierdicke Rebbe Rav Yoseph Yitzchok and no one had heaerd of it for more than 100 years until he came around.
When I was in Lubavitch I used to believe it just as I believed all the other fantasies I was told. Now not only don’t I believ it but I think it’s disgusting to put those words in the Baal haTanya’s mouth just so that the gullible chasidim can get drunk an extra day and hate misnagdim even more than they had.”

Just a small questiont faceBURN yes or no, are you arguing with the friediker Rebbe and saying that this story is false? And if yeah (which I hope not, just I don’t see that in your words) who are you to say such a thing?. Not only that, you say that “it’s disgusting” for the friediker Rebbe to put words in the Bal hatanyas mouth.

Btw I have been to around five chabad Farbrengens in this past two days and I haven’t seen any bochur drunk ( the Rebbe made a gizerah that the people under 40 can’t drink more than 4 kelishklach). And at least when they do drink it’s at and only by a frum and chassidiche atmosphere (not like when the litvaks drink, like you see especially in Israel).

I’m really sorry to see your comment is just out of hate. I really don’t think it’s your fault at all just might be the atmosphere you were brought up.