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I don’t have a source, and I’m really not fluent in the Zionist-anti Zionist debate, but I believe that there are those who consider it kefirah.
popa: So what’s the best course of remedial action for a Yid who has this problem (of engaging in this issur), in your opinion?
What is the portable device that your husband uses that someone told you cannot have monitoring? Did the tech person say it cannot have filtering or only that it cannot have monitoring?
What computer do you use (that you said is filtered)?
The rov (gadol) you spoke to that told you not to tell your husband what you know, what did he advise you to do about this?
Is there going to be adequate parking for private cars in the stadium parking lot?
Is there nearby parking outside the stadium area?
Therapists are mostly good for unloading your wallets and pocketbooks.
Sam: Vayoel Moshe is clear that Rabbi Kook is not a Bar Hochi and that applies to other zionists rabbis. You’ve acknowledged above that the Satmar Rov is certainly a Bar Hochi on this matter. Obviously the Vishnitzer Rebbe agrees with the Satmar Rebbe.
Aside from what I (correctly) cited from the Ramah and Shach in Hilchos Talmud Torah, Nnne of this “living off tzedakah” material has anything to do with kollel people. This is a common error. Tzedakah means that I give you money for no other reason that you need it – I do not demand anything in return for my donation. If I do demand something in return for my donation, it is not a donation but payment for services rendered. So if I pay you to entertain me, to be my personal trainer, to sing and dance for me, to be my baby sitter, I am not a baby sitter living off charity, but rather a paid worker. And so the statements about people living off tzedakah refer to people who are given money because they are poor, with no expectation from the donor that they learn, or work, or sleep, or do whatever they want. However, if someone gives money to you because he wants to merit the zechus of supporting Torah, and expects you to learn Torah because that is what he is supporting you to do, then that is not tzedakah at all but rather a simple business deal, the same as if I pay you to play baseball.
If I give you tzedakah money because you are poor, and you sit home all day watching television, then you may be an unproductive member of society but you are not a thief – I gave you tezdakah for food, and you are spending it on food. It was my choice to do that. But if I give you money to learn in Kollel and you stay home all day watching TV then you are a thief, because you took money specifically to learn and you did not keep your end of the bargain.
Thus, taking money for learning in Kollel is NOT living of tzedakah. Since I, the recipient, must provide something in return for payment received, that is a simple business deal. If I do NOT have to provide anything in return for payment received, that is Tzedakah. Since Kollel people must learn Torah in return for the payments they receive, they are NOT living at all off Tzedakah. Not any more than any person who renders services for payment received.
zsdad: Every son of Rav Eliashev is alive, save one who was niftar in childhood. One daughter was killed in 1948 by the Arabs and one was niftar a few months ago.
There wasn’t enough room for women at the asifa. The entire Citi Field sold out with a men only audience. And the Arthur Ashe was added, literally, at the last minute, (after the men only policy was already long set in place.)
Plus, there is a big maaila that a venue be single gender. Sometimes, though, there are additional considerations.
Guys are guys and girls are girls. Men are men and women are women.
WolfishMusings: Why does that sadden you?
Speak to your family Rov. Speaking to a Rov is most vital. And if, and only if, it is necessary to see a therapist, make sure you vet the therapist with the Rov. Too many therapists can do a lot more damage than good.
I indicated that a rasha mrusha apikorus gamur who is killed for being Jewish while maintaining his heretical beliefs and evil behavior unto his dying breath, is not going straight into Gan Eden. That’s all I indicated.
A person who was a rasha his entire life and who dies naturally at a ripe old age, can also eventually get into Gan Eden. But that wasn’t what I (or the discussion) was talking about.
You aren’t disagreeing. All I said was Era of European Jewry was longer than you indicated. You are counting from the time of Rabbeinu Gershom (followed by Rashi). Truthfully, you can go back much earlier to the time Jews moved to Prague and Spain.
You actually think that a rasha mrusha and apikorus gomur, from the beginning of his life until his dying breath. who is killed because he is Jewish, is going to Gan Eden?
repharim: Well said (your most recent post) about the kiruv people’s incorrect approach.
2,000 years of European Jewry, actually.
If he doesn’t believe in the Torah, however he died it wasn’t Al Kiddush Hashem.
Music affects the neshoma. Someone who discarded Yiddishkeit is not someone whose music you should listen to.
Thank You, bein_hasdorim!
But it is important to know that talking on a bluetooth while driving is almost as dangerous as talking on a phone.
snjn: It depends. If she was looking at inappropriate images or even imagining incorrect things, yes, it would be the same answer. That would be the same situation as the OP, just for the wife. But if it involved certain things more than just virtual, then there is a different set of halachos how its treated by a wife versus by a husband.
I can imagine zahavasdad would be making these same comments in 1943.
I think a girl with hair extensions would be a perfect shidduch for a bald bochor with a toupee.
You are correct. It’s time for us to do teshuva.
The siyum in Tel Aviv?
Restore Shalom Bayis by speaking to their Rov and perhaps a marriage counselor.
Women driving depends on the place. In Williamsburg (Brooklyn), New Square (New York), Yerushalayim (Meah Shearim), Bnei Brak and other places, it clearly is not the practice for women to drive.
The “Jewish symbol” is the Menorah.
berlin: What “such large” tzibur? The percentage of Jews engaged in fulltime learning is extremely small. It’s historically been much larger. Less than 10% of Jews are frum. And less than 10% of frum Jews are engaged in fulltime learning. So much less than 1% of Jews are engaged in fulltime learning. Hopefully we can significantly increase the percentage of fulltime learners over the next number of years.
And the Remo and Shach do say you can make a career in Limud Torah while living off tzedaka.
Who said you need a third meal every day?
there were always people in our history who learned but the vast majority worked.
Exactly as today. The non-Chareidim are the majority of the Israeli population. Even if EVERY Chareidi was learning full time, most people would still be working. But don’t try to take away ANY Chareidim from learning. Chareidi full time Torah learners are a minority of the overall Jewish population.
see what the Rambam writes about people using Torah to earn a livin-
The Ramah and Shach in Hilchos Talmud Torah says that nowadays you’re allowed to live off tzedakah to learn Torah.
It’s a bad thing, per se.
gavra: As I said, cease all taxation of Chareidim, and we are in business. We have a workable solution. And if the zionists force someone to utilize some service (by making it virtually impractical or impossible to refuse it), you can’t hold it against that they are using it under duration. I have no doubts Chareidim would be better off not giving a penny to the Israeli government (taxes, etc.) and not taking a penny.
berlin: Again with your obscuring. First, you are mixing paying kollel guys with forcing Torah learners into the Army. You are wrong about paying kollel guys, but I won’t even address it here since it is a seperate topic. Paying kollel guys has nothing to do with taking them out of kollel and forcing them into the Army. Even you admit you support them staying in kollel if they don’t take the tzibur’s gelt.
Second, you are additionally wrong about the Chasidishe Gedolim and Rebbes. Among many others, the following are protesting drafting the current attempts to draft the Yeshiva guys:
Belzer Rebbe Shlita, Satmar Rebbe Shlita, Ravaad HaGaon HaRav Moshe Sternbuch Shlita, HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Halevy Wosner Shlita, Chernobyl Rebbe Shlita, Rachmistrivka Rebbe Shlita.
(See http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=131299 for one of many stories documenting this.)
And, btw, who paid your two sons income when they were in kollel?
Sam: If you want, I could tell you the name of my reliable source that not only anyone who teaches gemora to girls will go the gehenim, but even anyone who advocates or tells people it’s muttar is going there. But I hope that the mods wouldn’t let it through. This is the internet. When he publishes a Sefer some day and quotes R’ Moshe on it, then I’ll show you my source.
OMG, right above your post I was referring to you popa!!
Both the men and women, and the boys and girls, speak (and read) primarily Yiddish. That being said, the girls understand English better than the boys.
I know someone who married both!
It is true. And he published it in his Sefer. You have a bad habit of denying truths not to your worldview. And then coming up with some unknown anon supposed source who allegedly asked someone something somewhere.
I’ll start a new thread with the maare makom and quote in Sh’eilos Rav.
Why is it dishonest? Couldn’t the girl simply let her hair grow longer if her husband wanted longer hair?
No, gavra. Like I mentioned above, many Chareidim already never accepted government funds they are legally entitled to under the law.
And they are legal residents merely by having lived there for 100 or 200+ years. Having lived in Eretz Yisroel long before the Zionists came there. (Even before they were trying to make Uganda the zionist state.)
The Chasidishe Gedolim (Rebbes) are equally opposed to the draft as the Litvish Gedilim are.
Taking a quick look at recent YWN stories, the following Rebbes are protesting the draft:
Belzer Rebbe Shlita, Satmar Rebbe Shlita, Ravaad HaGaon HaRav Moshe Sternbuch Shlita, HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Halevy Wosner Shlita, Chernobyl Rebbe Shlita, Rachmistrivka Rebbe Shlita. And many others.
Here is one recent story (there are many more):
Yiddish is the first language of Jewish Williamsburg. And they generally read Yiddish language publications much more than English language periodicals.