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Rational,
I was referring to the term ‘Unfortunate’ which I associated with the word ‘poor’. Sorry for the misunderstanding.@rational
What’s the problem with you?! Tens of thousands of people have experienced miraculous recoveries after having visited the Ohel. People here have been giving all sorts of answers that won’t have any visible effect, while I’m the first one that’s mentioned something actually real. It won’t help you to look for the logical and @rational solutions…. In a case such as this we have to think spiritually, meaningfully. Responses based off of what simply make sense to our sechel enoshi aren’t always the most best.Besides, what is with your use of the term ‘poor lady’? Just because someone is going through a momentarily hard time, they become a nebach case? I think your a ‘poor guy’ dismissing by idea outright. Does someone become labeled a ‘poor lady’ just because stuff aren’t going there way for some time? We make the best out of our situations to help us grow. I think that your labeling her ‘poor’ and ‘unfortunate’ are definitely more offensive then what I wrote. These are challenges, but if you look deeper you see that they’re really opportunities. There is a story with someone that was planning on marrying a shiksa but before he went ahead with his plans, his rabbi convinced him to go by the Rebbe by Sunday dollars to receive a brocha. When his turn came , he told the Rebbe what he was about to do, and the Rebbe told him “I actually envy you”. The man was not expecting such an answer, so he asked the Rebbe to explain. He said that a person’s connection to Hashem is like a ladder and every nisayon, that you encounter brings you up one rung on the ladder. This man’s nisayon would get him incredibly higher. This is indeed enviable!
Every challenge can either be viewed as an obstacle or as a springboard for spiritual growth. This woman is not unfortunate; she is enviable.
Rational, if visiting kivrei tzaddikim is considered mishegassen to you, then you need some serious self – evaluation.
@ysiegel
That is indeed quite a famous and typical vort of the Rebbe – however there are much, much more:
Why does the Baal Haggadah write אחד חכם, אחד רשע, אחד תם, ואחד שאינו יודע לשאול, Putting the Chochom and Rasha together? Won’t the Rasha have a bad influence on the Chochom? The Rebbe answers that, on the contrary, this way the Chochom will be able to influence the Rasha! This teaches us that, we needn’t worry about being influenced by our surroundings; On the contrary, we should initiate to have an influence on our surroundings!Without meaning to put down anyone else, I can’t help but quote an interesting observation the Rebbe makes regarding the nuschaos in our Haggados. By the section that discusses the hard work that the Yidden suffered, the Alter Rebbe’s Haggada brings down the possuk וימררו את חייהם בעבודה קשה בחומר ובלבנים וכל עבדה בשדה את כל עבודתם אשר עבדו בם בפרך however this possuk appears in no other Haggadah! The Rebbe explains in his haggadah that this possuk must have been included in the Rishonim and Sifri for 2 reasons – 1. The baal Haggadah is obviously trying to detail the hard work that the Yidden had gone through after stating that the
Yidden had gone through a hard time as a general fact. If so, the possuk of ויעבדו מצרים את ישראל בפרך that appears in most Haggados is not sufficient. 2. Chazal (sota 10b) learn from that possuk that the yidden were given easy work and that the word ‘Perech’ is supposed to mean ‘Peh Ruch’. If so the Baal Haggadah couldn’t have brought a proof from that possuk, because that possuk isn’t really talking about hard work!From here the Rebbe deduces that the possuk of Vayimareru must have been included in the original Haggadah. If so, how exactly did such a mistake make it’s way into almost all of our Haggadahs? The Rebbe answers that the scribes might have abbreviated the pessukim by writing ויעבדו…..בפרך intending the two pessukim which both end with the word “perech” but the printers didn’t realize and only printed the first possuk, which is the one printed in our haggadahs
Once again, I don’t meant to say the others ar wrong but i think the Rebbe’ss Pirush makes alot of sense.Visit Lubavitcher Rebbe’s tzion. 226-20 francis lewis blvd. cambria heights
1. V’yeidu – by Chassidim
2. Yelchu Mchayil – by Chassidim
3. Odcha Hashem – by Chassidim
4. Ohev Hashem – by Chassidim
5. Shir Mizmor – by Chassidim
6. Korati Bris – by Chassidim
7. Shuva Hashem – by Chassidim
8. Orech Yomim – by Chassidim
9. Mizmor Shir – by Chassidim
10. Hallelu – by ChassidimIn the sicha of 19 Kislev 5738, the Rebbe clearly mentions this anecdote. Anyone who wishes could simply look it up in Toras Menachem.
Avraham: “This story turns “loving all Jews” on its head. To make a holiday celebrating the founder of Chabad’s “rescue”….”
Actually, I don’t find this minhag offensive at all, although I see where you’re mistaken. After all the shame and excommunications that he had to put up with and the lies and false charges that were levied against him by the Misnagdim, one can imagine the utter pain and torture the Alter Rebbe suffered at the hands of this Misnaged to whom he was sent after his supposed freedom. To question the veracity of the stories that are told of the Alter Rebbe as well as the comments he made regarding his stay in the misnaged’s house, is simply atrocious and despicable. These traditions, which are related at great length in the Sichos of our Rebbeim and hold a firm ground in Chabd tradiotion, and someone who claims that these stories and comments are unfounded or unreliable, is essentially taking issue with the whole Chabad mesorah.I hope that those that proposed these doubts and claims will apologize at the soonest opportunity.
Yeshivishrockstar: “Read CHabadtalk. But its out of date.” I googled Chabadtalk and visited their site and it doesn’t seem to exist anymore. There is something, however, called the ChabadTalk Podcast by Tzvi Freeman, and it seems to be very Kosher, and i enjoy the author’s articles on Chabad.org. definitely nothing disrespectful over there.
” just read the articles on Crownheightsinfo and Collive by Rav Menashe Kleins petira”
No article regarding Rav Menashe Klein was posted on Crown Heights Info but this is what i found on Collive.
“shame it’s a shame. we have no leaders left in this world”
“Very sad!”
“Every way!”
“Erev Rosh Hashana
Is it 29 Elul in Eretz Yisroel when he passed away?
If so he shares a special day with the Tzemach Tzedek……”
“Baruch Dayan Haemes…”All of these comments were made by Lubavitchers expressing their sympathy over the passing of this Gadol. While mentioning his life story, Collive naturally mentions the negative stance he had against Chabad, being that this article was posted on a Chabad site – Is there a problem with that? And yes, a couple of the comments on the bottom expressed their disappointment that collive mentioned that aspect of his life, being that they felt that it wasn’t right to publicize that on the day of his petira. Is there a problem with that?
“read the comments on Crownheightsinfo in regards to Rav Yisroel Belsky’s comments on meshichistim.”
Besides for comment #1, #2, and #15, all 37 comments on the page are either expressing their sympathy and pain upon hearing about his death, or berating the aforementioned comments, for their stupidity, so why are you trying to make it sound as if the whole Lubavitch as if all the comments were against him?
“SO anyone who knows the emes: Chabad’s “Ahavas Yisrael” is only as long as they don’t attack chabad.” ????? Of course we love everyone, even when they attack us, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re disappointed with them….. Where does #15’s comment imply that he doesn’t love Rav Yisroel. How does saying “He went against YOUR Rebbe and your fine with posting an article about him?!” imply that the writer doesn’t love rav yisroel? I love Rav Yisroel, and I love you too, even if my comments to you sound harsh sometimes….Avi k: “DC, you are also wrong. It comes from Belarus.”
Nope, it comes from Russia, and this a ridiculous argument to have, as you can easily look up these facts on the Internet. I would refer you to Wikipedia though, and then you’ll tell me what you think….Yseigel: “In all my years of going to gatherings, hearing rabbonim in the Chabad community…. I have never seen such views as expressed by many individuals here speaking in the name of Chabad”
Well obviously, because the views being expressed here are the not the type that you find by a traditional ‘Chasidic Gathering’. There, they probably talk about Chassidishkeit and Hiskashrus and different ideas related to the concept of being a Chossid, whereas the topics under discussion here belong in an entirely different spectrum. The fact that you didn’t hear these ideas being expressed at the Farbrengens you went to, does not imply that the rabonim don’t agree with what I’m saying.
In any event, it’s a known fact that there are many things that Chabad Shluchim just wouldn’t say in public because of the controversy it would arouse. Case in point, the time that Rabbi Shlome Cunin, head Shliach of California, said – apparently unaware of the cameras: “The Rebbe runs the world, and he will take us out of golus”. There is a video of this event that went around on different sites, and it just goes to show that Shluchim really believe many things that they just won’t say in public, but now just may not be the time to elaborate….
“At any rate I’d absolutely love to have a conversation with some of these individuals in order to try and set some things straight”
It’s ironic that you’re telling ME that you would like to set things straight, as if you have a better idea of the inner workings of Chabad than me, a Lubavitcher Chossid for many years. Let’s just say that Chabad and their ideologies are a little more complicated than you think, and not everything about Chabad is limited to all the nonsense that you hear in your local Litvishe shtiebel.At any rate, It’s good to know that you attend Chasidic gatherings – keep it up…. Who knows, perhaps they’ll even turn you into a mentsh some day….
Nevillechaimberlin: “As a side note, glad to see your trolling career has forced you to look into the Mishnah Berurah. That’s something most Lubavitchers wouldn’t do.”
If i would get a nickel for every lie you make….. I would have enough money to buy YWN and kick you off of CR. What i find most ironic is the fact that you seem to roll stuff off your proverbial tongue as if you have you actually know what your talking about. How ’bout you stop just posting whatever your stomach tell you, and actually get to work before you start posting your nonsense in public. I wish I would have enough time to rebut all of your statements but I just don’t have the time or patience.
I’m not sure what you mean by “something most Lubavitchers wouldn’t do”. It seems like you aren’t that familiar (to put it mildly) with the way it works in today’s Chabad curriculum. It is a known fact that many times when there is no ALter Rebbe Shulchan Aruch, Chabad paskins like the Mishna Berura. I clearly remember getting learning it back in Yeshiva and even getting tested on it….
“I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Chabadniks call it misnagdish” Pretty sure??? Is this another one of your fantasies? Buddy, it’s time to get e-du-c-a-t-e-d….
“Is this going to be another schism between the crazy new-age Chabadniks and the “real” Chabadniks?”
Huh????? now I’m totally lost… please explain yourself instead of just rambling.
P.S sorry if I sounded harsh. I just get frustrated when people publicize untrue facts.LA boy: Oh sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to bashing gedolim and other sects – that is what we were discussing when I mentioned col and the other sites, as nevillechaimberlin stated: “Chabad forums are 99% a bash-fest on other yidden, primarily gedolim.” and then later he presented examples of sites that bash other yidden and gedolim: “CrownHeightsInfo, ChabadInfo, Collive, The Anti Tzemach, etc…”
That’s what I was responding to, when I posted a rebuttal.
Yeshivaaron: “I’m an open minded person, but my Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson Z”L taught me ….”
He is NOT your Rebbe. refer to this week’s Ami Magazine pg. 87nevillechaimberlin: Don’t forget that the Anti Tzemach was formed in response to a previous blog called the MentalBlog, a site published by the controversial Tzemach Atlas who started the blog as a platform to spread false information regarding Chabad, and for a while, it gained notoriety among Chabad circles as well as others as a dangerous propaganda site. The owner has since closed the blog and according to some, he eventually went off the derech r”l although I myself am not actually sure what happened to him afterwards. His final words before he closed shop were: “I don’t understand why I am still writing this blog. A better question, why am I still a Jew? I don’t find myself at home with my people. The internal dialogue with G-d is exhausted. The alienation is complete . . .THE END
“I sign off, thank you for all.”In response, a presumed Lubavitcher by the alias of “hirsheltzig” started his own blog which is known as “The Anti Tzemach”, a site which was originally intended to be a counter – attack against all of TA’s claims. While, of course, the motives behind his having published the site, do not justify the gross content, nevertheless, it is worthwhile to bear in mind that the site was formulated merely as a response to an already existing site which had gained a name as a hogwash promoting platform.
יחeNowLA boy: Interesting, because I used to visit that site every day for a few years and i never came across anything disrespectful against other communities. It may be that every once in a while they write something bad, but i haven’t seen it ever, so it’s probably not to such a great extent.
And I believe that the reason why the site was placed under cherem was not due to the reasons you mentioned, but because of others which aren’t necessarily relevant to post here but if you see or find anything disturbing than you should probably Email the editors and let them take care of it – they might do something, but I’m just wondering if these stories you posted as ‘examples’ are based of what you heard from others or what you yourself saw….
nevillechaimberlin: “People have brought up Chabad forums many times in the past; I’m not sure why you reserved the strategy of denial until now. CrownHeightsInfo, ChabadInfo, Collive, The Anti Tzemach, etc…”
Alright let’s get this rebuttal started:
Crownheightsinfo: They don’t seem to have any forum, just articles about stuff going in Crown Heights and Lubavitch. I just went through five pages of posts and I did not find one article regarding Litvishers or other Chassidic sects.ChabadInfo: They don’t have any sort of forum, and the only thing you will find there are loads of yidishe news items about goings-on in Lubavitch, inspirational videos, etc. By the comments section, they write: “only proper comments will be allowed” – something that YWN doesn’t post by their comments section. I just took a quick skim of the first page and didn’t find anything inappropriate. Additionally i believe that this comments section is solely for the site owners to view and they are never posted publicly.
Collive: no forum at all, respectful comments, and has no history whatsoever of bashing or the like.
Anti Tzemach: this indeed is a disrespectful site, you may be have a valid claim against this one, but nevertheless, there is nothing concrete against it for the following reasons:
First of all, unlike YWN this blog is manned by only one person who goes by the pseudonym of “hirscheltzig”, and not necessarily is he a Lubavitcher anyway. Nobody knows who he is and he may just be a random person pretending to be a Lubavitcher in order to make Lubavitch look bad. additionally, if you look in the comments section, you’ll see that everyone attacks him for his radical views. No one agrees with him.So my words to you are: please don’t just denigrate others without a proper basis to your claims.
Zahavasdad: “Chabad might be the largest chassidic group and they are from Galacia, not Oberland”
Milhouse: “ZD, Chabad comes from Litte, not Galicia. ”Okay, you guys are both wrong – Chabad comes from Russia, and as a Lubavitcher chossid, i think my opinion counts the most. You guys ought to brush up on your Chassidic history trivia before you start posting your false information on public forums….
Milhouse: “fewer than 50% of Chabadniks put on tefillin”
??????
coffe addict : “I just learned this גמרא in ראש השנה regarding צדיקים, בנונין, and רשעים that בנונים are people who are 50/50 How does the בעל התניא answer this?”
Lol. u obv didnt actually learn the Tanya inside, cuz if u did, u wouldn’t have asked that question! the whole reason the Baal hatanya discusses the idea of a beinoni is after he quotes that gemara. he then asks several questions on that gemara, proving that we have to learn it differently. in subsequent perakim he resolves these difficulties by reeinterpreting the gemara to fit with his oopinion.
please, please, before you ask questions based off of things u heard, first look up the source iself, cuz many times the answers to you questions are right there in the topic of discussion itself. \as for your anticipated answer of Abaye looking at himself as a beinoni, the alter rebbe actually disproves that possible answer by saying that it doesnt make sense that abaye who was such a big tzadik that “lo psik pumya m’girsei” could make such a mistake as to call himself a beinoni. being humble is only when there is some basis to the perspective that u are trying to present, not when you grossly misrepresent an outlook on yourself to present yourself in a completely different realm than reality. abaye’s statement of being a beinoni only serves as a support to the alter rebbe’s opinion.
LerntmiTayrah: “As per the gedoilim, anyone who says yechi is clearly an apikoires”
I guess these “gedolim” also hold that rebbi akiva – who said regarding bar kochba ‘Din Hu MAlka Meshicha” – is also an apikores.
and i guess that dvei d’rav yanai ,dvei d’rav chisdai, and dvei d’rav menachem ben chizkiyah are also apikorsim for calling their rebbeim moshiach as it says in Sanhedrin 98b.for more info on this subject, please refer to the attached (completely harmless) link or maybe not
note to mods- can you please post neville’s attempted comment? im extremely curious to see what he tried writing.
Are you for real?
I apologize for not being clear enough – i was not referring to your last post about lefi anniyas daati. I was referring to post #1552495 in which you blatantly say that the Rebbe was WRONG because he said 25 years ago that Moshiach Is Here and he hasn’t come yet. That is very disrespectful and I’m surprised that CR mods allowed such impudence to be publicized. The Coffee Room should not be allowed to be used as a way of advocating an Anti-Chabad agenda.
Obviously, you misunderstood the Rebbe’s talk of Chof Ches Nissan and the Sukkos Farbrengen of 5747 where the rebbe says that he has done all he could and that now it is up to us.
When the Rebbe says that moshiach is here, it obviously means that moshiach has come already, and all we have to do is improve in our middos, and then we’ll merit his final and complete revelation. It is not a contradiction to say that moshiach is here, alive, and waiting for us to merit his coming. We see at the end of all the Rebbe’s sichos kodesh that-depending on the context-ends off with something along the lines of “and may we merit his complete and speedy redemption now in our days, Amen” (to which the Chassidim would respond with a thunderous “amen”) . It seems like a contradiction: how could the rebbe say that moshiach has come and then wish that he come soon?? obviously it’s too separate concepts- Moshiach has already arrived and once we do enough (the Rebbe outlines in many of his sichos that the way to do so is by spreading Yiddishkeit to all four corners of the world) we will merit his complete redemption.If something is still not understood by you, then let me know.
Wow, Rso – and i thought that icemelters rants were bad…
In Chabad, we like to take his songs and change the words a little bit to make fun of him…
“Esah Einai El HeHarim, MeAyin Yovo Ezri”
(i lift my eyes to the mountains, from whence will my help cometh?)and we switch it to “Esah Einai El Ezras Nashim, MeAyin Yovo Esti”
(i lift my eyes to the Womens’ Section, From Where Will Esti Come?)Chabad houses do not spit during aleinu because we dont want to disgust the non – frum congregants and maybe be merachek them from tefillah. otherwise all chabad communities spit during aleinu to show our contempt for the nations that pray and bow to non-existent deities.
Well, according to sender zeyv, author of aleph shin ten lost quotes a gemara that says thet the blood lines on the gid hanasheh of a chazir are the same lines as that of the lines of amalek. The author then goes on to fictionalize of the last of amaleks descendents who are nazis and decendants of bogdan chmelicki ym”h.
not fair only mods could use emojis!
Cool, I’ve never heard of self publishing before…. so someone could be an author, publisher, and store owner and then could write a book, publish it, and then sell it in his store!