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chaverim: What would have been the best example showing how silly mosherose’s statement was, would probably not have passed the CR censors…kol hamavin yavin.
The truth is that you should be the best Jew that you can be, both “in town” and out-of-town”.
And if you’re not going to be dressed in your best on Shabbos, then when? Shabbos is the time for wearing your best, at least according to the Shulchan Aruch.
And actually, my intention was not to bash out-of town, but just to show that people are people everywhere (see my earlier post).
There are mailos and chesronos in every community. There are many places in Brooklyn that are rural: trees, grass, large homes, no traffic or noise. And yes, you also have crowded housing.
I am very familiar with the communities outside of New York as I’ve been to many of them. But you have more top notch Rabbonim per square inch in New York than anywhere else. And the proof is that anytime there’s an opening for a position, the Rabbonim come running from “out-of-town” to apply.
notnorm37: Maximum Strength NoDoz pills
Mod: No sense of humor?
notnorm37- For tonight: Maximum Strength NoDoz pills
BP Totty: I’ve never been to an Agudah conference so what you say about mixed seating is news to me but what’s wrong? It’s not davening or learning. Do you ever sit mixed? On a bus? At the doctor’s office? Waiting at the DMV office? PTA night at your child’s yeshiva or other school functions? And the halacha for g’dolim 50 years ago is the same halacha today.
Having said that, there were many g’dolim who were against Agudah at the start because they were against any religious organizational structure where politics plays its ugly hand.
Why don’t you schedule your trip for Pesach and you can have your pick of any island that exists. In addition, you”ll have throngs of Jews and minyanim and daf yomi and glatt kosher/cholev yisroel and meet all the people you’re trying to get away from.
Recently, Cake Center was bought by the closed Chiffon Bakery on Coney Island Avenue and the new owners switched to baking challos/challa rolls the Chiffon Bakery way.
PLEASE Chiffon, PLEASE! Bring back the Cake Center recipe. It was unique and the best; no other challa bakery came close. So Chiffon/Cake Center, at least give us a choice of challos, give us back our Oneg Shabbos, and we will be forever grateful.
Y.W. Editor – “On the other hand, there is nothing like living out-of-town. The calm pace of life, the close-knit community, and the friendly spirit of achdus that typify out of town living are important quality of life and quality of yiddishkeit factors as well”
Another great thing about living out-of-town is that there is no need for psychiatrists or police stations or musser sedarim in the yeshivos because everyone just loves everyone else and as soon as someone from in-town crosses over into Waterbury or Lakewood, it’s magic: no more shalom bais issues, no more lashon hara, no more talking during t’fila.
So, out-of-towners, don’t blow it with all the publicity because in-town YWers who don’t currently enjoy the quality of life and quality of yiddishkeit as you do, might just move next door to you.
You can run but you cannot hide.
ames:”..I always heard that we don’t use a knife because of the hefsek issue. If someone wants to use a knife, they only use it after they themselves have eaten the first bite after the beracha.”
Ames, please don’t take this the wrong way, but I think what you heard is a baba maise with no basis in halacha.
qaws: Maris Ayin is “afeelu b’chadre chadarim”; even if no one sees it or knows about it except for yourself, you still have to be concerned about appearances and behave as if someone is observing you.
Mod: You left out the Pepto-Bismol.
Jothar – “It’s a few dollars a month, but it requires sending someone out there to the recycling center.”
Paleeze, if you can go to the store to buy the sodas, then you can take the bottles back on your return shopping trip.
gavra_at_work – I agree with you but it’s a different mind set today. Forget Pachim K’tanim; if Yaakov Avinu were here today, the pachim would be long in the garbage before he got back.
PM-“Electrical appliances that come in direct contact with the food must be toyveled. While Reb Shlomo Zalman said that something that only functions when plugged in may be considered mechbar l’karka and not require tevila, he did not rely on this Halacha l’Maase.”
Please explain. Did Reb Shlomo Zalman paskin or not? I know that many Rabbonim today rely on this s’vara to paskin that electric appliances do not need t’vila. Years back my Rabbeim said that when it’s one piece, i.e. coofee urn, to toivel and let dry out.
There is also an inyan to start cutting the bread on the crustiest part. So to avoid time delay after the brocha is said to look where to cut on the crustiest part, we indicate the spot on the bread with the knife before the brocha is said: during the week by cutting and on Shabbos with scratching (not cutting), on the bread in order to keep it whole.
You can whack all you want or not, no rules; you don’t have to wait until they are dead dead or dead at all. The whacking is only to stun them so they don’t jump around so much.
Chazal say that fish are not like animals with regard to pain.
Joseph: Where’ve you been?
We are live in a Christian county, yet a medina shel chesed, the most benevolent nation in the world and the most tolerant toward Yidden. While we Yidden must do what the Torah requires of us, even in the midst of goyim; we must behave in a menchlechkeit manner, that is as tznius as possible.
Upon further research I found that while Continental does not have an official policy with regard to the kitchen minyan, Continental does make the back galley available for davening which makes Continental a lot more accommodating to Orthodox religious needs than ElAl, where davening is problematic.
An apology is therefore in order to chaverim and a yasher koach to JayMatt19 and Chacham for alerting us to Continental’s practice.
A guy voch and a gut’n chodesh.
Chaverim: “Some Jews are more embarrassed of yiddishkeit than are some gentiles”
Our kids are mostly married but B”H our table on Shabbos will usually have up to 20+.
Many years ago we invested in several sets of nice yet inexpensive stoneware; silverware and stemware. In the long run it comes out cheaper that having nice paper plates, etc. We have enough that washing is not necessary until after Shabbos when we do several loads in the dishwasher. It does enhance the Kavode Shabbos and our Oneg Shabbos.
Nobody-“Best airline meals are the meals you make yourself which is what I always do. Make what I want, eat when I want. No problem with keeping things cool. I buy a small cool pack for just a few dollars pop it in the bag and we’re ready to go.”
Great advice, like People Express. Best Airline food I found is when traveling from England.
Plane travel was totally different years ago; much more informal. I remember United Airlines holding my plane that was about to take off one time when I arrived late; this would never happen today. You can hardly apply the same criteria post 9/11. I will try to find out what Rav Scheinberg would advise people to do in current times.
The Poskim mentioned in prior posts who daven in their seats without a minyan, many years ago may have davened in the smoking section in the back of the plane as well, but not now.
Also, there are no disagreements amongst the Poskim here:
I believe they would all agree that if there are no safety issues and the minyan will not cause a disturbance or Chillul Hashem, and the airline is ok with it; and you can handle it so that your kavana is undisturbed; then a minyan would be in order.
But Rav Scheinberg and Rav Wosner both said that causing a disturbance is reason enough to daven in your seat without a minyan. So vos huks du a chynik?
Sorry to disappoint you chaverim, but I doubt any Rabbonim are joining your minyan. They’re not going into the plane kitchen except to verify the Hashgacha.
Has anyone in the CR actually been on Continental Airlines to report on the kitchen minyan?
Ok Chaverim, you stand packed into the plane kitchen with your holy minyan and I’ll sit and daven with all the Poskim and Rabbonim; poshete Yidden .
chaverim: You can read Rav Scheinberg the way you want to; I prefer to read him the way, Rav Moshe Feinstein would, the way Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would, the way Rav Ovadia Yosef would, the way Rav Breuer would.
My Rav told me that he also davens in his seat because he feels it’s not possible for him to have the proper kavanah for davening while standing in a group: the plane is shaking and you’re trying to balance yourself and passengers and crew are trying to get past you, not to mention davening by the bathroom and the safety issues.
chaverim: You must be very talented to be able to daven in a way that is not disturbing to anyone, yet it should be in the seating area.
That is why Rav Wosner first gives you the halacha, like if you had your own chartered plane, and then he says l’maise since on commercial planes it’s highly unlikely, the eitza is to daven in your seat in a SMALL group.
chaverim: Also see last paragraph “While strictly speaking it might be permitted to pray at your seat, Rabbi Scheinberg prefers that one pray with a minyan, but quietly in a way that doesn’t disturb others.”
Rabbi Scheinberg would not daven with a minyan on a plane if doing so disturbs other passengers.
chaverim: The emphasis should be on SMALL, not GROUPS, i.e., when you are SEATED with family or friends.
Rabbi Shmuel Halevi Wosner: When the “fasten seatbelts” sign is lit, one should sit down. One should refrain from davening in large groups; it is preferable to daven in small groups in the seating area. The same is true for Shemoneh Esrei. If there is a possibility of standing beside one’s seat, not in the aisles, then that is preferable. If this is not possible Shemoneh Esrei can be recited while seated.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef davens individually on a plane and not together with a group so as not to disturb others and for fear of robbing another person’s sleep.
Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach: One should say Shemoneh Esrei on a plane while seated and not while standing in the aisles, where he will disturb others. Rav Shlomo Zalman was not supportive of conducting minyanim during a flight because it disturbs the rest of the passengers.
Rav Breuer advised daveining in your seat to avoid annoying others and blocking the aisles.
Above Paraphrased
We all know that minyan davening on a plane is disruptive and annoying to passengers and crew, so why does minyan take precedence over chillul hashem if divening can be accomplished b’yechidus, and there are an abundance of heterum from g’dolim and poskim?
We bench gomel after a plane trip because of the sakana involved in flying, so why make it more difficult for the crew to do their jobs and in a safe environment.
Kalichul is shank meat.
There is no one Rav for everyone, just as there is no one Shul for everyone.
The reason I mentioned that the Rav may not be in Eretz Yisroel is that I have many friends who have made Aliya over the years and one thing they complain about is that it’s hard to find a Rav in Israel like you have in America. In Israel, they say, you have a Rav who answers “Shailos”, but not the personal type of Rav who is part of your family’s life in every way. If I’m wrong, I’m sure you’ll let me know.
So actually, while I’m not advising anyone to leave Eretz Yisroel, but if someone’s Yiddishkeit can be more fulfilled outside, in galus, because that is where his Rav is located; then that’s where he should be.
Aseh Lecha Rav mandates that you have the confidence in your Rav, in Das Torah, to follow him unconditionally.
Daniel Breslauer: You really have to be honest with yourself first. Do you really want a Rav? Are you prepared to accept your Rav’s guidance unconditionally, even if your not comfortable with his decisions and actions. Otherwise, you’re wasting everyone’s time.
By the way, once you’ve acquired a Rav, decisions in life becomes so much easier and “not agreeing with him” does not exist.
It may also be that your Rav does not live in Israel.
Pashuteh Yid: I’m sure Shlomo Carlbach continues to receive the s’char he deserves for all of his positive contributions to yiddishkeit and as I stated before, you can certainly consider him a Tzadik years after his p’tira.
Chazal say, the greater the person, the stronger his Yetzer Hara and as Shlomo always said, “The world is full of contradictions”.
But unfortunately, his weakness was the cause of a lot of hurt and many people turned away from frumkeit as a result.
And RabbiofBerlin: G’dolim can have disagreements with each other in shittos but that doesn’t take away from their saintliness and greatness, whether it’s the Lubavitcher Rebbe or Rav Kook or the Baal Shem Tov. But don’t put a performer in the same category.
And yes, SC was rejected not only by his Rosh Yeshiva in Lakewood; but also by Chabad in Crown Heights.
And to which Rosh Yeshiva do I pledge allegiance? You seem to know.
ames – “I thought kishke was made from vegetables these days. Are you telling me the kishke I bought in the takeout section of the supermarket was actually intestines???”
The chulent mavins usually go for the fleishik kishke.
rabbiofberlin: While you have a right to your opinions about Shlomo Carlbach, his “kiruv” methods would have put him in prison in today’s environment.
And what has Shlomo Carlbach done for the klal? And today there are many talented composers of nigunim which are sung throughout the Jewish world (just attend a kabbalas shaboos at the kossel). You don’t have to be off the normative path to be successful, and you don’t have to be rejected by all your Rosh Yeshivas and Rebbes to be popular.
But the legend of Shlomo Carlbach continues to grow and has a life of its own. It’s amazing that those who have nothing to gain by the legend and were closest to him are not part of the frenzy, because they knew what he was and what he wasn’t.
“Tomato sauce; catsup; tomatoes; coke; beer; brown sugar; soy sauce”
You call that Chulent? I call it Feh!! Add a little basil and oregano; and you have pizza.
I like the cholent of our (European) mesorah best… whether it’s with or without beans(the Polish way)…as long as it’s not greasy or overcooked. Also, my preference is not to include the precooked “kishke”; it does nothing but add loads of rendered beef fat to the chulent. It’s so much easier to make your own and control the ingredients.
Also, float some potato kugel on top of the chulent just before Shabbos starts…heavenly.
The basic answer is: The chulent which is served hot is the Oneg Shabbos mitzvah by day.
If you didn’t have any chulent Friday night; the chulent that you eat Shabbos day would be much more enjoyable.
For this reason, some b’dafke won’t eat certain delicacies Friday night so they will enjoy them more on Shabbos day, even if they were available for both meals.
Thanks squeak, I learned that gemara too. There are differing opinions to what the story actually was.
The text to the Shuchan Aruch and Mishna Brura reference can be seen on line by going to (see also the Sharei T’shuva on the page):
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14171&pgnum=94&hilite=
While Shlomo Carlebach’s niggunim continue to inspire many Yidden, he displayed his weaknesses publically and more so privately and that, in my opinion, denies him any consideration from being included in the league of greatness in his lifetime.
Of course, he is a Tzadik now as are all niftorim, ultimately.
And 1 Joseph.
Mayan_Dvash: Look at the Mishna Berura (Orach Chayyim: 271:9):
Mod: I tried to copy and paste the actual text from MB PDF but it didn’t show. Can I copy and paste and exactly how?
If you have your cholent Friday night, I’m sure your not “oiver” on a lav, but your taking away from prescribed Oneg.
Tzippi: You pose a simple but complicated question.
Rav Blumenkrantz was not concerned about the halachic ways of taking hot food out of a pot which is cooking, or stirring it, or returning it to the fire. That is of course doable.
From what I recall, it did not seem like Rav Blumenkrantz was giving an eitza tova (nice advice) but he felt it was a genuine problem.
Actually, Rav Blumenkrantz was very unhappy with the prevailing custom of raiding the cholent pot Shabbos night.
Hear: Unite Your Candles & Cholent for Shabbos # BZ 510 by Blumenkrantz, Rabbi A.
Look at all the YWNers who post all night; they all know how to stay up.
I long ago gave up learning through the night since the negatives far outweighed what I gained from the exercise.
Then there are all the interruptions with coffee/refreshment breaks.
So for me; I wait too long for the Yom Tov and want to enjoy it with proper learning, davening, and seudos with my family and friends, and these pleasures won’t be the karbon for the all-nighter experience.