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“Any president can pardon himself. ”
The Department of Justice does not think so.
In any case, the President has no power to pardon state crimes and he is likely to face charges in both Georgia and New York. He will likely also face incitement charges in Weshington DC and statutory law gives the DC mayor, not the President, the power to issue pardons there.
“Do you think those people wanted to disturb the vote? To stop the vote?”
This was all planned. Stop the vote count. Prevent Biden from getting a majority of electoral votes. Either the House of Representatives makes Trump the winner or the compliant Republican Supreme Court rules the Presidential Succession Act unconstitutional and Pompeo is President. Basically a violent coup with a plan that could have easily succeeded. Bombs and other illegal weapons were found near the Capitol. This was Trump’s March on Rome. And just as many Italian Jews supported Mussolini, many American Jewa are supporting Trump’s attempted coup. They are traitors. As are certain commenters here. There was no “Antifa” involvement — Lin Wood’s famous tweet about two alleged Antifa people turned out to be two neo-Nazis. This coup was entirely Trump supporters including QAnon promoters, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hatemongers who are Trump’s base.
Biden won the elecion and it wasn’t even close. Democrats will now have majorities in both houses of Congress. Trump will liikely spend the rest of his life in prison which is where he and his violent supporters belong; the only question is which state will get to try him first. The only question is whether the Republicans will have the courage to prevent him from running for another term in 2024 — they can do it by voting to convict him after impeachment.
“What do they think this march would accomplish?”
Many openly said that their goal was to lynch Pence and Pelosi. Murdering a police officer wasn’t sufficient.
“They attacked the Capitol police. ”
THEY MURDERED A CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER!!!
I. F. Stone wrote almost 80 years ago the dilemma that Democrats had in 1900. William Jennings Bryan was a certain loser to William McKinley, but Bryan wanted to run again and as I. F. Stone wrote, “The Democrats had no one else who could collect six million votes.” (Source: I. F. Stone, *They Also Ran: The Story of the Men Who Were Defeated for the Presidency*.)
So the Republicans will voluntarily walk the plank into the shark infested waters and get eaten alive.
“the storm on the capitol lost him a lot of support among republicans”
The large majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives voted to overturn the election, which was the goal of the coup mob.
I pointed out in another thread that a photo of two supposed Antifa people that was posted by Lin Wood turned out to be known white supremacists neo Nazis named Matthew Heimbach and Jason Tankersley. A third turned out to be Jake Angeli, a prominent QAnon supporter. The woman shot and killed by police had just posted a selfie to social media bragging about her support for Trump and how they were supporting him in this mob attack, and her husband confirmed that she was a Trumpie. The woman trampled to death in the mob was a Trumpie from South Carolina. The now arrested man who had his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s death said on social media that he was a white nationalist.
The FBI is collecting photos and videos of the coup mob. There are going to be a lot of prosecutions. We will know whether any of them at all are Antifa. So far, none of them are. The OP is just repeating the old Big Lie methods.
Sorry your yeshiva had such a lousy secular education that they never taught you want communism actually is. Schumer is no communist and in fact the nutty far left hates him because of his ties to capitalists.
Second President ever to have encouraged insurrection. John Tyler signed Virginia’s Ordinance of Secession, served in the Provisional Confederate Congress, and was elected to the House of Representatives of the Confederate States of America. He died before he could be sworn in to the last position. When he was buried, his coffin was draped in a Confederate flag, not the US flag. Note that there were numerous Confederate flags carried by the coup mob yesterday.
“What type of books?”
I am a big history buff. My big project right now is a thick history of the British Parliament written by Chris Bryant, Labour MP from Rhondda, Wales. I’m to the time of Henry VIII; the level of cruel violence during the roughly 250 years preceding makes me think that Edward I did us a favor by kicking us out of England on Tisha B’Av of 1290.
“What is the purpose of this thread?”
It is an attempt to justify the OP’s support for yesterday’s coup by falsifying Torah. OP should ask Jews who survived what Fascist Italy or Vichy France were like. Or Nazi Germany. Or the Soviet Bloc. OP would have been much more at home in those countries, until they came….
“Not once in history, has a socialist government succeeded.”
The UK and Israel did rather well under socialism for about three decades.
Grizzly bears have no natural predators. Sometimes wolves and grizzlies will fight over a kill, and sometimes pumas and grizzlies will fight over a kill, but the larger grizzly will generally win without much bloodshed as the pumas and wolves are smart enough not to pick a serious fight with a grizzly.
Jaguars would be the only cat that would have been a threat to a grizzly bear, but thanks to humans their ranges no longer overlap 🙁 so we don’t know much about what what would happen were a grizzly to encounter a jaguar in the wild.
Tigers have been known to attack other brown bear species, but tigers are native only to Asia and grizzlies only to North America. And a tiger would be more likely to attack and eat you than a grizzly.
Mazel Tov!!! Keep social distance and wear masks when you aren’t eating. The last thing you want is for a tragedy to result from a simcha.
“that same woman (or man) cannot choose to forgo a vaccine?”
Not at the time of a disease outbreak. Jacobson vs. Massachusetts 1905.
Today is indeed historic. It is the first time since 1814 that an enemy has stormed the US Capitol, and this time the enemy was supported by the outgoing defeated President of the US.
This was Trump’s attempt at a March on Rome. Remember that a lot of Jews backed Mussolini in 1922, just as a lot of Jews are supporting Trump today.
Baruch HaShem Warnock and Ossoff won. The true nature of today’s Republicans was shown today by the Trump supporters who stormed the US Capitol today — for the first time since 1814. Warnock’s opponent Loeffler was at the very same time trying to do the bidding of the terrorists inside the buiilding and Trump was saying he loved them. We should be rejoicing that the voters of Georgia rejected two grifting politicians who supported an attempted coup against America.
Lindsay and Beame were indeed catastrophes but remember whom Lindsay defeated for his first term — Beame! Proccacino might have been an improvement over Lindsay but he would not have been a successful mayor. Beame won by an incredible 40 points in the 1973 general election. Koch was almost as bad as Lindsay and Beame; the one thing he did accomplish was to get people to clean up after their dogs. By the time Dinkins took over, crime rates were at the highest rates in history; Dinkins actually started the reversal by getting the city council to raise taxes to hire six thousand new NYPD officers. He also hired Ray Kelly as NYPD Commissioner. Dinkins does not belong in the same sentence as Lindsay and Beame.
NYC has often had poor leadership, and poor choices. 🙁 One could also list a lot of Tammany Hall hacks who served as Mayor. 🙁 🙁
“at what point do i hang up the skates and fulfill my kesuba?”
The day you signed it. You did sign it, right?
I work a very demanding job, often 10-12 hours a day. But I am now a year into my third Daf Yomi cycle (nowadays only attending internet shiurim) and have learned about 1/3 of Yerushalmi. Torah can and should be the priority for all Jews.
And as others have pointed out, wealth is a gift from HaShem. We still have to take the steps to accept that gift, but ultimately it is not up to us.
Trying to figure out why Jews should have any opinion regarding the text of a prayer given by a Christian minister.
“they constrated on the 6 states that are in the middle!”
Republicans won the majority of House of Representatives seats in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. They won both houses of the legislatures in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and the Michigan House of Representatives. (The Michigan Senate was not up for re-election this year.) Republicans also won two of three statewide elected offices in Pennsylvania that were up. Republicans also won both houses of the Arizona legislature, although Democrats did better on the federal level, winning 5 of 9 US House of Representatives seats and flipping the US Senate seat as Martha McSally lost for the second time in two years.
I guess if you think that all of those states had void elections, we should kick all the Republicans who won out of office. It would give the Democrats a nice comfortable majority in the US House of Representatives.
“why have election officials pushed back so hard against a thorough audit?”
Nobody is pushing back. Georgia has already done a hand recount, a machine recount, and a signature audit. Wisconsin did a probably unconstitutional recount in two counties at the demand of Trump, who refused to pay for the rest of the state being recounted because the real purpose of all this is his grifting. He could have asked for a recount in Nevada but again that would have cost him money so none was requested. Trump is supposedly a billionaire but he doesn’t believe in his own cause enough to pay for recounts.
In all other states, Biden’s margin was so large as to make recounts illegal under state law. That is how big Biden’s win is. There is no provision in any state law for anything else to be done, not that Trump and his cult ever cared about the law (as evidenced by his phone call this past Saturday).
“his primary claim is that it is not possible he lost because he had big rallies ”
President Walter Mondale’s rallies were much larger and even more enthusiastic than Trump’s.
“Jack Landman Goldsmith is not now nor has he ever been a liberal Democrat.”
Yup. He was responsible for some of the most eggregious offenses in the Bush 43 Administration, is affiliated with the ultraconservative Hoover Institution, but is called a Liberal Democrat? How far do the lies of the Trump Cult extend?
“the constitution gives Congress the sole right to determine the validity”
Actually it doesn’t. It gives each house the right to determine the validity of its *own* elections, but not that of the Presidential electors. Congress’s only role is to watch the count. The states determine the validity of the elections for Presidential electors. In fact there isn’t a requirement that there BE elections for Presidential electors but that last time that any state did not have such an election was 1860.
Why don’t you actually read the Constitution before further embarrassing yourself?
Anyone not convinced by the release of today’s tape that the attempted Steal is by Trump and not the Democrats is simply a supporter of undemocratic fascism. It should be no surprise that some Jews are supporting the fascist; Mussolini had a lot of support from Italy’s Jews.
I am very sad that Max Rose is not running for Mayor.
“And Michael Pence is the presiding officer of Congress who rules on how to handle each objection.”
As of 12 noon on January 20, Pence is a private citizen. There would be no Vice President after that point under your scenario.
For most of US history, officers of Congress — the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives — were first and second in line of succession. Only Trumpies have ever seriously suggested that that was a problem.
In any case, the House can prevent anyone in the cabinet from becoming President by impeaching them. That is in both the 1947 law and the 1886 law that preceded it. Were Pompeo try to pull such a stunt he would probably be immediately impeached.
The real question is why you want America to become an undemocratic fascist dictatorship.
ujm is really showing is ignorance here. There is nothing for the AG or ex-President to enforce; Nancy Pelosi would be sworn in at 1201pm on January 20 and nobody will be able to stop her. She will immediately fire every political hack in Trump’s orbit including Pompeo, and there will be no Vice President.
“the Republicans maybe able to win the speakership”
No they won’t. Not one Democrat will vote for any Republican for Speaker and the Democrats currently have an 11 vote majority, with two vacancies, one because a newly elected Republican died from COVID, and the other because there is an upstate New York seat that is still too close to call. Steny Hoyer would become the new Speaker and there will be huge rejoicing among every supporter of Israel other than the ones who put loyalty to Trump over the interests of the Jewish people.
Show up in your yarmulke to a White Lives Matter protest and get beaten up by the anti-Semites. If you are lucky.
Saudi Arabia continues to be the main exporter of Islamic extremism all over the world. It has a worse human rights record than Iran and that is quite a (negative) accomplishment. And unlike Bahrain, UAE, Sudan, and Morocco, Saudi Arabia matters — it has double the GDP of Israel, 3x the defense budget, and 4x the population.
“So much money in the economy will turn the dollar into the yen”
During my lifetime the Japanese Yen has roughly tripled in value relative to the US dollar.
I am worried what will happen if we DON’T help out those who need the help.
“The US Parole Commission normally rubber stamps the Attorney General and Justice Department’s request to extend the parole of convicted spies.”
Care to share some examples of those whose sentences had been completed?
Darwin will be proven right. Those of us who get vaccinated will live long healthy lives; those who don’t will eventually get infected with the coronavirus and will either die themselves or pass it on to their unvaccinated friends and relatives.
disclaimer: I find it hard to approve a post with such horrific wishes to others
“He’s stopped BDS, making it illegal for them to boycott our products”
That isn’t true. And in any case BDS hadn’t had much success before or during Trump.
The term that I hear in my frum community most often is “Trump is a moral degenerate”.
Trump had nothing to do with this; neither did Barr. It was the US Parole Commission which interestingly consists of two Democrats even after four years of Trump.
Voter ID laws only prevent people without the resources to get the IDs from voting. In addition they should be struck down as an unconstitutional poll tax, but Trumpies never did care about the Constitution.
In any case, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin have voter ID laws and Biden still won. If the Trumpies were honest they would admit that either there was no fraud or that voter ID laws have nothing to do with fraud.
Pennsylvania had a voter ID but the Pennsylvania courts struck it down. Republicans in Pennsylvania admitted that it was nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with stealing elections. But the turnout for Biden was so large in those four other states that the attempted theft failed.
Covid test positive rate in Borough Park now seven times that of Park Slope.
We are doing this to ourselves.
Four Seasons Lanscaping is one of the few small businesses that Trump has helped. Like most small businesses, they had been struggling during the pandemic, but the notoriety let them sell a lot of memorabilia like t-shirts, and it was great free advertising. The owner said that the business does not get involved in politics and would have been happy to host an event for Biden.
” that honor belongs to one of the Dems who several years ago questioned Air Force officials at an oversight hearing about moving a new B-52 squadron to a Pacific Air Base on Guam and whether the “massive weight” of the planes might “unbalance” the island”
I contributed to that idiot’s campaign the first time he ran, because the incumbent was a 9/11 Truther and an Israelhater. After losing her seat to the idiot she was the Green Party candidate for President against Obama and McCain and then was part of the notorious Gaza flotilla. Later she appeared in support of Ghadafi in Libya, and of the mullahs in Iran, on their respective state run television stations. I have no regrets.
“Biden getting more votes than actual registered voters”
This meme has been repeatedly debunked.
“And what is your take on videos of trashbags filled with torn up Trump votes? ”
Also debunked. There are two postal workers facing charges for discarding mail, but no actual ballots were there. However, the US Postal Service did admit that it did not deliver huge numbers of mail in votes on time in Philadelphia, Detroit, and Atlanta, which would have been mostly Biden votes — and Trump’s legal goons then went to court to prevent the legally cast votes from being counted. (This was reported by the New York Post!) It is Trump who tried to steal the election and failed.
“2 absentee ballots sent to me in my name?”
You clearly had two absentee ballots. But in most states (not all) only one can count in your name.
So Trump signed the bill after all. All the Trump cult who had to turn 180 degrees after they supported the bill because Trump flipflopped last Monday now have to turn another 180 degrees back again. The disgrace is now a great success, as it was just a week ago. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
“Israel is vaccinating 0.6% of population per day”
Israel is #1 in the world in vaccination rate.
Did you cast someone else’s ballot in addition to yours? If you cast another person’s vote, in Georgia it is legal if you are the other person’s “mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law or an individual residing in the household of such elector.” These laws vary from state to state. New York does not have specific laws on the subject although there is a bill pending in the State Assembly to put some restrictions on absentee ballot collections.
The comparison of the manual and computer recounts in Georgia from the November election shows that you do not have to worry about your vote being changed.