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charliehallParticipant
“could you ask your Rav if he is aware that powdered milk is made today from camels’ and horses’ milk”
The only milk products that can be legally sold in the US today are from cows, sheep, and goats. There is a serious effort to legalize the sale of products from camel milk (if you own a camel farm you can produce it yourself and some Amish do that), and there was a news article last year of a human woman who made cheese from her breast milk.
charliehallParticipant“I wuldnt want my wife to go to a women doctor. Being a doctor is mens work just like being a nurse is womens work. “
My wife is a physician, I am not.
Please cite that verse in Chumash that declares that nursing is women’s work and being a physician is men’s work. There have been female physicians in the US since 1849.
charliehallParticipantDon’t try to look like something you aren’t.
charliehallParticipantHere is the Wurzweiller program described by abcd2. It is very similar to the Smith program:
http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/SUMMER%20BLOCK%20PROGRAM%202%20_2_.pdf
YU’s graduate schools are not “frum” programs, but they are “frum-friendly” as you will never have to worry about classes on Shabat or Yom Tov, the cafeteria is kosher, and there are lots of frum students, rabbis, minyanim, shiurim….
charliehallParticipantYears ago my rav had someone drive to his shul. He lived four miles away. He never told him it was ok, but he didn’t rebuke him or throw him out. Instead he welcomed him and concentrated on sharing the joy of Shabat.
After some time, the man stopped driving to shul and started riding a bicycle. This might actually have been mutar except that he lived outside the eruv. Again, my rav never told him it was ok, but he didn’t rebuke him or throw him out.
After some more time, the man stopped riding the bicycle to shul and started rollerblading. That might technically be mutar except that it isn’t exactly a Shabat-like activity. Again, my rav never told him it was ok, but he didn’t rebuke him or throw him out.
After some more time, the man stopped rollerblading and started waking the four miles. He didn’t do that for very long, though, as he sold his business and moved to Eretz Yisrael to learn in yeshiva full time. He still learns full time, years later.
I think my rav’s strategy may have been somewhat successful here.
charliehallParticipanthappy,
Another option if you don’t live in an area that has a good social work school would be to attend a social work program in which all the formal coursework is done over the summer, and the required field placements are done in your home community. Smith College in Northampton MA has such a program and it is very well respected. As a prestigious private college it is very expensive, though.
charliehallParticipant“But nursing is and no man should go into it. We learn that from paroh. “
What a ridiculous statement. Nursing didn’t exist in the time of Paroh.
Try again.
charliehallParticipantCross country skiing!
charliehallParticipant“What are good topics to discuss during the first couple of dates when the couple is first getting acquainted with each other. “
We met on frumster.com and corresponded for five weeks before we could meet in person as we lived in different cities and the fall chagim took place during that time. In that correspondence we talked about our goals, values, hashkafah, lifestyles, and politics quite early on. Before we met we talked to each others’ rabbis. By the time we met we knew we had a huge amount in common so that the only question was whether there was chemistry.
I found this SO much better than all the blind dates that went nowhere.
charliehallParticipantNote that many of these programs, while they support worthy causes, do not fulfill the mitzvah because they are not delivered on Purim Day.
charliehallParticipant“completely accept any sexual orientation as legitimate”
That isn’t exactly what it says. Here are the exact texts from the Code:
1.05 Cultural Competence and Social Diversity
(c) Social workers should obtain education about and seek to understand the nature of social diversity and oppression with respect to race, ethnicity, national origin, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, marital status, political belief, religion, immigration status, and mental or physical disability.
2.01 Respect
4.02 Discrimination
Social workers should not practice, condone, facilitate, or collaborate with any form of discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, marital status, political belief, religion, immigration status, or mental or physical disability.
6.04 Social and Political Action
(d) Social workers should act to prevent and eliminate domination of, exploitation of, and discrimination against any person, group, or class on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, marital status, political belief, religion, immigration status, or mental or physical disability.
Here is the link to the entire code:
http://www.naswdc.org/pubs/code/code.asp
I personally don’t see anything that is incompatible with being frum, but I can see that others may disagree. If *your* rabbi thinks that following this is incompatible with being a frum Jew, you must NOT become a social worker.
One more thing: If you become a licensed social worker — or any other health professional, you will be a mandated reporter. That means that upon reasonable suspicion of certain types of abuse in your clients, you MUST inform the authorities. No going to a rabbi, no going to a beit din. If your rabbi thinks that is mesirah and therefore asur, you must NOT become a social worker — or any other health professional. Period. There are no gray areas on this one; if you fail to report abuse it won’t be your rabbi who suffers the consequences, it will be you. Fortunately there are many rabbis who pasken that it is a *chiyuv* to report abuse, but generally it is not a good idea to go “rabbi shopping” to get a lenient opinion on this or anything else.
Social work is a great field and there is a tremendous need for sensitive social workers to serve the frum community. I wish you luck.
charliehallParticipant“working in an agency and having to give someone the option to have an abortion”
Not an issue. My wife worked as a physician in a medical clinic that performed abortions, and she never was asked to perform one. Whenever a patient wanted one she simply referred her to one of her colleagues to perform one. Once she had to recommend an abortion to a patient who had a fetus with a defect that was certain to result in death, probably before birth.
February 28, 2011 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm in reply to: Ladies, do you say ??? ???? ???? and ??? ???? ????? #745504charliehallParticipant“i have a womens artscroll siddur that my kids bought for me some years ago and it is great!”
My wife got it, but when she realized that the first word was “modeh” rather than “modah” she put it down and never used it again. I don’t understand why a woman would say “modeh” any more than I would say “modah”.
charliehallParticipantI think we could all agree that it is inappropriate to use Wagner and Mendelssohn as the processional and recessional music in Jewish weddings, as is the near universal custom in Christian weddings?
charliehallParticipant“My guess would be that the boy carries on the family name whereas the girl does not”
Only in gentile society. Surnames are not part of the Jewish tradition.
“men are mechuyav in more mitzvos”
Not that many — only about a dozen Torah mitzvot in our times (the exact number varies depending on how you count).
” the boss yelling at you every other day”
My boss never yells at me.
charliehallParticipantThere seems to be some misunderstanding of the process sequence. When you open a can, you aren’t creating a kli, you are opening a kli that existed before the food was put into it after which the kli was sealed with a metal lid which was manufactured separately.
charliehallParticipant“everyone knows the difference between Jewish music and nonJewish!!!”
I certainly do not.
The truth is that there is almost no “Jewish music” that has not been influenced by the non-Jewish forms of the time. The only music by Jewish composers I’ve found that really is sufficiently different that I one can safely say that it is not beholden to non-Jewish musical tradition is the atonal work of Arnold Schoenberg. And while Schoenberg wrote a number of works inspired by Judaism including the opera “Moses und Aron”, a setting of “Kol Nidre” and the oratorio “A Survivor from Warsaw” to honor the memory of the six million, I doubt any of his compositions will ever be played at a simchah.
charliehallParticipant“You mean beyond opera? “
The Rov also permitted men and women to sing zmirot together at the Shabat table, as have many other poskim.
charliehallParticipantLinguistically, neither is more correct than the other; they reflect different countries to which we have been dispersed.
charliehallParticipantRabbi Nathaniel Helfgot is a survivor of depression. He wrote about his experience and it was published in *Jewish Action*:
http://www.yctorah.org/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,135/
charliehallParticipant“According to the halacha one must rebuke someone for doing something wrong “
According to the halachah you are FORBIDDEN to rebuke someone if it will drive them away from yiddishkeit. Very few of us have the sensitivity to give a proper rebuke to a non-observant Jew.
charliehallParticipant“they invite peopel over for shabbos knowing full well that they will drive on shabbos. most others think thats wrong.”
My rav tells me that it is RIGHT. Our only obligation is to OFFER the chance to stay over. He is not Chabad and recently confirmed this with a well known posek.
charliehallParticipant“they never again did so”
I’m not sure this is true, but whether it is or not, The Rov was very adamant in paskening to my rav that opera is totally mutar, and YU has for a very long time held an annual opera fundraiser.
charliehallParticipant” Has anyone ever heard this before? Is it ALL animals, or just some?”
I have never heard that. I’ve had cats much of my life and never had an unforseen tragedy — except for the mice that they catch and eat. (If you want mice in your home, do not get a cat.)
” Does it make a difference if you keep them outside vs. inside?”
Cats should be kept inside as possible. It is much safer and healthier for them.
charliehallParticipant“The words are prust and grub, and that includes classical music as well as pop.”
Really?
Even this?
Fly, thought, on wings of gold;
go settle upon the slopes and the hills,
where, soft and mild, the sweet airs
of our native land smell fragrant!
Greet the banks of the Jordan
and Zion’s toppled towers…
Oh, my country so lovely and lost!
Oh, remembrance so dear and so fraught with despair!
Golden harp of the prophetic seers,
why dost thou hang mute upon the willow?
Rekindle our bosom’s memories,
and speak of times gone by!
Mindful of the fate of Jerusalem,
either give forth an air of sad lamentation,
or else let the Lord imbue us
with fortitude to bear our sufferings!
– English translation of “Va, Pensiero”, from Verdi’s “Nabucco” (1844)
charliehallParticipant“there is nothing or no one who can ever change my feelings about rock ‘n roll “
The Rov z’tz’l was primarily referring to classical music. He and Rav Hutner z’tz’l used to attend the opera together in Berlin.
charliehallParticipantFrom the gedol hador on matters of alcohol:
charliehallParticipant” Purim is about being mekaiyam the mitzvos of the day – megilah, mishloach manos, matanos li’evyonim, and drinking. “
WRONG!!! The four mitzvot are megilah, mishloach manot, matanot l’evyonim, and SEUDAH. Anyone who thinks drinking is one of the four mitzvot is allowing his yetzer hara to distory torah.
charliehallParticipant“I understand you get attached to them. But how? And why?”
By learning to be compassionate for animals you are more likely to be compassionate to your fellow humans.
charliehallParticipantRov Soloveitchik z’tz’l was very clear that much non-Jewish music elevated the soul and was mutar — even when sung by a woman.
February 27, 2011 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm in reply to: Why are the Hashgochos promulgating a fraud: Oat Matzos #1146801charliehallParticipantTwisted,
Rashi lived before Ramban. Most Ashenazic poskim follow Rashi on this. I thing calling them “frauds” might be over the line here.
charliehallParticipantI used to go to a shul with a parking lot. Everyone there was shomer Shabat, but there were an unusual number of doctors and hatzalah volunteers so it was not uncommon to see the driving in and out on Shabat.
charliehallParticipantWe have cats. As a result we have no mice.
charliehallParticipant“have very different styles of writing”
I didn’t know we had Documentary Hypothesis proponents in the YWN CR. 😉
charliehallParticipant“Do Phd’s go by Doctor socially, or only professionally?”
For me, only professionally.
charliehallParticipantCanine,
I’m just reporting what I see. Someone without an earned doctorate will not be addressed as “Doctor” in any university I’ve ever seen.
I try to avoid being addressed as “Doctor” around clinical environments, as I am not a physician.
charliehallParticipantThe strong minhag in academia in the US is NOT to refer to yourself as “Dr. XXXX” unless you hold an earned doctorate. It is considered to be misleading, and the boards that accredit academic institutions do not recognize honorary degrees.
charliehallParticipantIn NY, you can vote in any jurisdiction in which you have a residence, but you have to choose which one. This has become contentious recently as largely Republican upstate towns have been trying to disenfranchise largely Democratic vacationers.
CT has a more lenient statute — you can vote in town elections in any and all towns in which you own property as long as you are a US Citizen. Nonresident property owners often vote down school and town budgets.
charliehallParticipantWhen I arrived at Einstein almost ten years ago, it was almost a different university than the main campus, with almost nothing in common except payroll, the lack of classes on Shabat and Yom Tov, and the kosher cafeterias. Richard Joel has tried to create more cross-campus collaboration and some of my colleagues have been involved with those efforts. But having four campuses that aren’t that geographically close to one another does not make it easy.
charliehallParticipant“That might stimulate your memory 🙂 “
Wow! One of them IS me. I had no idea they had put it on YouTube.
charliehallParticipant“I may have met you several years ago (late 2007) at the YU open house when I was looking at colleges. Do you do the bio department tour?”
No, I have not done any open houses. And I’m rarely at the main campus.
“A guy with a beard at YU, like that narrows anything down.”
ROTF!!!
charliehallParticipant“His surprised was removed when it was explained that eating out meant eating fish in non-kosher restaurants. “
I live in a mostly MO community and I do not know anyone who self-identifies as Orthodox here who eats cooked food from non-kosher kitchens (restaurant or otherwise). “Eating out” means eating out at a *kosher* restaurant.
charliehallParticipantI’m unaware of any videos of the real me on youtube. There is a Christian musician who shares a name with me, but AFAIK we are not related.
charliehallParticipant“They think it is like Charlie Brown, a fictional character.”
I actually do exist and I use my real name when I publish comments online.
charliehallParticipantMy rabbi has been very emphatic that the chiyuv for mayim acharonim, IF it exists, is identical for men and women.
charliehallParticipantYossi,
Only HaShem knows. We don’t have any Naviim who can interpret these kind of events for us today.
charliehallParticipant“not being able to get married yet “
If you are sixteen, you can get married almost everywhere in the US as long as your parents consent. A few states will even allow younger people to get married, but permission of a secular court may be required. Halachah would actually permit someone to get married as soon as they are bar or bat mitzvah, but we have to follow secular law as well.
charliehallParticipantWhat is wrong with eating out in a kosher restaurant?
charliehallParticipantHis principal opponent was one of the worst US Senators in history. Vote for him.
February 22, 2011 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm in reply to: bringing babies and small children to megillah reading #743022charliehallParticipant“would like to hear the other side of the story. “
Sometimes there is no other side. Remember Tevye in “Fiddler on the Roof” when his daughter decided to marry a non-Jew?
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