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gavra,
I agree with you 100%
gavra,
but isn’t it at all possible that giving parnassa to a yid will bring enough extra bracha to make up for these inconveniences?
Also, I don’t understand why you would want to be in the position of persuading anyone who reads your post not to hire frum people. I would think that potentially being a cause of another yid not getting a job would not be a great idea right before the yemei hadin when we all ask for a year of parnassa.
bein hasdorim,
I’ve been here on and off not consistently. But yes, its almost been forever, or at least longer than the CR has been in existence.
There are some active posters who have been here longer than me though.
welcome back beacon! Any other old time posters lurking in the shadows?
Good idea — geographical relocations can do wonders for shalom bayit.
– charliehall
I actually heard a shalom bayis shiur on tape from a chassidishe rov and he said that one of the reasons why chassidish rebbes/rabbonim have set up a system where young couples usually live near the kalla’s parents rather than near the choson’s parents is because it happens more frequently that the choson’s parents mix in and cause shalom bayis issues. Not being geographically near them will be good for their shalom bayis.
It sounds to me like OP resents the mechutan big-time for not contributing to the down payment. Also, in this “us” vs. “them” rivalry, clearly identifies his/her child as being on his/her team and the child in law as being on the mechutan’s team. OP wants to make sure that no money ever gets to the other team which didn’t contribute a dime.
The problem is that the married kids will likely not have much shalom bayis if OP succeeds in making them feel like they need to take sides in their parents fight. They must feel like they are on the same team for their marriage to succeed.
My suggestion to OP is to keep the money and not pay the down payment. Hopefully this way you will have less resentment and your kids will continue to have shalom bayis in a rented home.
My suggestion to the kids (if OP is pushy about taking the down payment) is don’t touch this money with a 10 foot pole and instead pay your landlord’s mortgage in a place which is physically very far from OP. Visiting a few times per year hopefully will not be enough for OP’s attitude to create too much friction between husband and wife.
Oh, and OP, regardless of what happens with the house, if you want to ever have a decent relationship with your child’s spouse, don’t EVER mention in front of them that you consider them less close than a blood relative.
umm, sender av, did you previously spell that “intellegent”?
good to “see” you too, squeak!
Are you calling me Mr. Ego Booster as a hint that you need one? Is it because you weren’t nominated as mayor of coffeetown? It can be arranged for a fee, ya know.
Folks! You heard it here first! Joseph is really none other than Rupert Murdoch himself! Wow, who woulda thunk!
If I wasn’t too lazy to look up what orthographic means, I might comment on that one but I think I’ll leave that for haifagirl. Or for someone who will ask whats wrong with conservagraphic rules.
SQUEAK!!!!
(is that the real original squeak or the hacked version?)
msseeker and KIsh Echad – thanks for your kind words.
giggle – sorry for beating you to it! 🙂
I respect all the above posters for finding facets of other yidden which they respect and are worthy of respect. Mi K’amcha Yisroel – and we should daven that just as we are finding the good in other jews, so too Hashem should see the good in all of us.
I don’t want to be misunderstood or to break the flow of these wonderful positive posts but there was one post above which I feel needs to be responded to and since nobody else did, I will take it on myself to do so.
Respecting anything and everything is a wonderful thing but it has one danger – that should we respect movements that are anti-torah, perhaps we are inadvertently disrespecting the torah in the process. Of course disrespecting the torah is not the intent, and I sincerely respect ronrsr for his good intentions in trying to find something good in something as bad as the reform movement – a movement which does not believe that the Torah is from Hashem and does not represent Torah or Yiddishkeit. I hope you, ronrsr, will take no offense to this, none is intended. I realize you did not mean to say that you respect them for being anti-Torah, however, as I said, showing them any respect at all would seem to be wrong. Certain things we must fight and not respect. Had the Chasam Sofer and Rav SR Hirsch respected the reform movement, many kehillos would have been lost.
And to be clear, I am talking about reform as a movement, which is what ronrsr referred to. Individual reform jews who never received a Torah education and dont know any better are certainly deserving of our respect, if for no other reason then just for being our brothers and sisters.
I don’t want to hijack this thread and cause the amazing chain of positive posts to end. If anyone else wants to discuss the reform movement I think it would be best to start another thread for that. And again, ronrsr, I truly hope no offense was taken.
To get this thread back on track, I respect all frum teens who, in this day and age, must fight temptations and nisyonos that probably no previous generation has ever had to deal with. This respect is not just for those that pass with flying colors, it is also for those who may be labeled OTD but who try their very hardest – sometimes winning the battle and sometimes unfortunately losing – to do what’s right.
if all the “old crowd” knew that the wagon saga was continuing I’m sure they’d come back.
areivim, great to see ya too!! I still haven’t gotten over the shock that you’re not the guy we thought you were. 🙂
ahh, the suspense! Did they know that you’re areivim or just u knew their CR identity? any hints or details at all?
I was a silent partner like areivim until squeak had to ruin it and get me to start posting again. Is moish01 lurking too or did he disappear when he found out that there’s no red beard?
candy,
mods know everything. they probably even know what you had for breakfast today.
BPT,
are u seriously asking a bunch of CR addicts what they would do with an hour of free time?
thanks WIY. ….and shoes
I agree with eclipse. Years ago some goyim used to throw pennies at jews and if they picked it up they would laugh at the cheap jew.
pba nd aries,
use a more generic term like cost of their maintenance. That includes clothes, jewels, shoes, boots, shoes, handbags and shoes.
popa,
I agree with sister bear. when we repeat a story where the hashgacha was very obvious, it’s not to imply that Hashem only runs the world when the ppl in the story live happily ever after but rather to remind ourselves of the fact that Hashem is running the world, period. That way hopefully we can remember this lesson even in instances where the hashgacha is not so clear.
squeak,
I definitely hope so too!
Imanonov,
why did you post jokes on the sibling rivalry thread. Please stay on topic!
Oops! My bad!
(I actually thought your 2 jokes are extremely funny, keep ’em coming!)
blueberry,
will you find it more hilarious or less hilarious if you find out that we aren’t brothers after all?
it definitely is a joke. You know yourself that you’ve at least somewhat grown up since then.
ummm, do u really want me to publicly talk about some of the tricks you’ve played on nice people? I realize that you’ve grown up since then but still.
Dov told me its at Chevy’s house. Weird. Either he was playing a trick on me or you are.
squeak,
I assumed Chevy had told you about the party so I didn’t think of inviting you, sorry. Looking forward to seeing you there tonight (Wednesday Zos Chanuka). But you are correct that we should be better brothers and get together more often in real life and not just in the CR.
blueberry,
You didn’t miss it. Its Wednesday night at Chevy’s house.
hey long lost cousin blueberry! there will be a family chanuka party for all descendants of the original Mr. Brown tomorrow night. Please come and bring lots of baked – errr fried – donuts.
squeak,
and now the mystery is how you know what the dybbuk told Rav Censored. hmm, could you be he?
blueberry,
I have a better question – how does anyone know the story if both ended up being dead?
squeak,
you’re old fashioned and stupid for admiring sporty machines that can be used by people over fat, lazy machines that can only be used by cyborgs (or computer assisted humans). Obviously, not a single person here sees your side of it.
hudi,
that reminds me of another spoof of a torah story: There is a story (which I think is from Chazal if I’m not mistaken, please someone correct me if I’m wrong) that there were 2 brothers who owned adjacent fields. One was poor and had a large family, the other was rich and had no family.
One day the rich brother decided that being that his brother has more mouths to feed he needs more. So at harvest time he went in the middle of the night (so as not to embarras his poor brother) and took some of his own produce and brought it to his brothers field. The poor brother had similar feelings. He said I have been benched with a large family but my brother has not been. Let him at least have some extra produce to somewhat make up for what he’s lacking. In the middle of the night he went and brought some of his own produce to his brother’s field.
This went on for years until one time they met each other while carrying the goods. They each realized what the other had been doing and embraced each other with immense joy and love. On that spot where they embraced, the Bais HaMikdosh would later be built.
The spoof:
Same 2 brothers one rich with no family, one poor with large family. Only in this story the poor one decided that since he has so many mouths to feed he deserves more than his brother, so he went nightly to his brother’s field and stole some produce. The rich brother similarly said – my brother doesn’t deserve a large family AND lots of produce; if I don’t have a family at least let me get some extra produce to make up for it. He too went nightly to steal some produce from his brother.
This went on for years until one time they met each other while carrying the goods. They each realized what the other had been doing and they attacked and killed each other. On that very spot, the Israeli Knesset would later be built.
blinky,
did u say that eclipse is really squeak?
oops, wrong thread. I thougt this was the rumor thread.
never mind.
popa,
not everyone can just do it by simply making up their minds. Some people have very slow metabolism or other issues beyond their control which make it waaaaay harder than just simply deciding to do it.
yes we live in desperate times, i agree 100%. I just don’t believe that TSA’s scanners and new pat downs are the answer to the desperate times. As far as I’ve heard, the pat downs are only for opt-outs of the scanners but in airports which don’t have the scanners yet there are no patdowns either. If they are so necessary for security, then why aren’t they done in those airports too? It would seem the only purpose of the new pat down is to get people to go thru the scanners.
The real solution is to profile and then thoroughly frisk those who are deemed high risk, not to just randomly frisk 20% of the people and then there is an 80% chance that the terrorist won’t be the one who is randomly selected. But of course profiling will never fly here. oh well.
oomis,
people were only doing their job. Molesting children is wrong and doing your job is not much of an excuse. Did you see that video on the YWN homepage of the TSA agent molesting a young boy? I would never take my kids on a plane until the situation changes.
also, its not desperate times that call for these desperate measures. its corrupt politics that called for these desperate measures. The head of El Al security said he could go thru these scanners with enough explosives to bring down a 747. Israel doesn’t use them because they can’t find many of the plastic explosives that terrorists are likely to try to use. But Chertoff, the former head of homeleand security, is making millions on them as the lobbyist for the company that the TSA is buying them from. I wonder if any kickbacks have made their way to the current heads of homeleand security.
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Let me know how many donuts I need to bake… er, fry. Only one of you needs baked donuts, right?
-squeak
ROTFLMKO!
he drank your soda and then was never seen again, huh?
I suggest you plead the fifth!
squeak,
most of the little voices in my head are telling me that it isn’t me.
80,
imitation is a form of flattery. It should be a merit not a demerit!
uh oh. I’m causing u to get in trouble with the mods. I better go back to lurking status.
nah, you’re not THAT scary.
squeak,
post you video here so YWN can get a drudge link again on Sunday.
popa- you’re right. You wouldn’t want to be around when I go through security.
-squeak
Why? Do you wear a skirt?
LOL squeak. I had to reply to that one just to prove u wrong.
btw, I don’t think Dr. Pepper has been seen since that friday that u mentioned something about a wagon near an apple bank. Was it a police wagon being used to take away members of certain umm Italian secret associations? hmmm, if you’re an undercover cop and you’re here to lure people into police wagons to fill your quota, I better get out of here and get back to lurking.
oops, today is my delusional day not my paranoid day. so hard to keep track!
you’re welcome blinky. I didn’t write it, just copied and pasted, but a mother ship is a large ship which is used as a base for a bunch of smaller ships. a delusional person who thinks they are on a small space ship will want to occassionaly keep in contact with their mother ship so they don’t get lost in space.
Gee, I hope I make it to Mars in time for shabbos.
wise and blinky,
that was posted a while back here:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/a-humorous-item/page/5#post-33908
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attention frum women (and their husbands and fathers),
the TSA in their wisdom seems to have decided that any female in a skirt is probably a terrorist and needs to go thru a pat down to make sure their skirt is not hiding any explosives.
I kid you not.
LINK: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=140233&catid=14
I just bumped it up. its at http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/your-thoughts-on-me-and-my-background-help
squeak – how ’bout lurkers?
blinquie,
he’s talking about the wagon that will help him find Dr. Pepper.
All CR units please look out for a wagon across from an apple bank and report your findings here.
oops, I’m supposed to be lurking.
charlie-
You’re sorry?! I’m offended that you apologized. But I see you haven’t lost your touch as the official CR ego booster 🙂
— Squeak
charlie brown
You have what to say you shouldnt be a lurker. I appreciate your perspective.
–WellInformedYid
squeak, I apologize for offending you by apologizing. 🙂
as far as being the official CR ego booster, WellInformedYid did a great job with the above post. Thanks for the ego boost, WIY!
jobless,
Monsey is huge! I assumed you live in some hick town with no other jews! I hope you find some new friends in the new neighborhood.
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