Yiddishe Kup,

To those who say there is no evidence of weberman’s crime, look at Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz’s site. He states that 4 married women approached him regarding weberman’s ations and someone who claims to be one of his vicitims posted a comment on Howowitz’s site. So you may decide they are all lying, or Howowitz is lying but it isn’t only one person’s testimony.

How right you are!

If role models are seeing it one way, its impossible to survive in the community if you have a differing opinion. Once it’s been decided, new findings and facts dont matter! Whoever disagrees is lying. Its all one big game of strategy and alliances.

Health,

So what’s up with the Willi bashing -you think it’s better elsewhere – LOL?

My point exactly. We all have our imperfections that have to be worked on.

Imho, Willis are less likely to admit that they have ANY imperfections. Prove me wrong. What issue/crisis have the Satmar Rebbes or “Klal tee-ers” EVER admitted that they need to improve on? And calling a girl a Zonah publicly, while not reacting at all to the stone-age barbaric spitters and bleach thrower? Why? Beecause they dont approve of his tactics theyre allowed to remain quiet about this behavior in their midst? They would stop this barbaric activity the second the Rebbe would tell them to.

Btw, if you suspect Im Rosenberg, do you also think I write for the 5TJT? Boy, Im a busy man…

You wrote “Hatzolah (if they responded)”. Hatzolah was called. They refused to respond because of who he is. They can lose their license for that.

Rosenberg clearly said on Youtube that Hatzloah was NEVER called, 911 was. Thats why Hatzolah didnt come. He has no complaints to Hatzolah.

The little I know,

Rosenberg has accomplished nothing besides making noise and creating a huge chilul Hashem.. He is not in cherem because of his advocacy. There are hundreds of people, from within the rabbinate, from the mental health professionals, to some in chinuch, to askanim, to many others who engage in true advocacy. They look to provide prevention programs, training for those in sensitive capacities, even parenting lessons.

There are many who feel just the opposite! He is risking his life to rise against the tide. Proof of his accomplishments (his efforts have aided in convictions) is the barbaric way that some Williamsburgers are attacking him. The guilty parties and their faithful accomplices, the hushers (“lets take care of it ourselves”), are seething and behaving like savages.

You might not like everything about him, but hes keeping YOUR kids safer.

How many people that you deem the true advocates, have aided in as many convictions?

Health,

Sometimes when you go overboard for a cause it’s because you really don’t care about the cause – you’re really just advocating for yourself. Ever hear of Al Sharpton?

1- Health, are you aware of anyone in your family having been molested? (I think not, becaue to those who have, Rabbi Rosenberg is one of their life-saving heroes, who they feel is the reason theyre not leaving Yiddishkeit because hes one of those who is not hushing the topic up, like most in the community have).

2- Health, do you think that any of his physical wounds are self-inflicted to garner public sympathy? (I think not because you might not approve of what he says nbut I dont think you’d accuse him of that).

3- Health, I’ve seen him face to face and read about his years long fight against molestation. He has been in this fight way before he had any supporters besides the abused. That was NOT a fun time for him. Being barred from all Shuls in Williamsburg and walking to the Lower East Side for a Minyan on Shabbos/Yom Tov is not anyone’s idea of fun, and only something very heroic people are willing to do for a cause.

4- Health, what have you ever done to stop molestation of innocents?

Health, may you and your family stay healthy physically and mentally, far away from molesters, who wreak havoc both physically and mentally to their victims and their families.

Continue staying on the sidelines, while Rosenberg risks his life because hes like Al Sharpton and likes the feel of bleach in his eyes and BB guns in his head. What intellect you have. Your thoughts are material for a sit-com. In my eyes, your sickly concocted thoughts are illogical and more Sharptonesque than any here.

What can the Oilem do to protect R’ Rosenberg from harm from the militant crazies, BEFORE ITS TOO LATE chas v’sholom?

Hes a Tzadik Gomur. He says that when he wasnt allowed into any Williamsburg Shuls, he walked to the Lower East Side for a minyan. If Williamsburg people felt threatened by him, there was a reason. He knew problematic information about some of them.

Rosenberg said he started advocating for sex abuse victims seven years ago and has been booted multiple synagogues since then.

“There is no peaceful day in my life,” he told The News on Tuesday. “I’m very much afraid.”

Zeeskite might tell him to disappear and keep quiet about molestation cases.

uneeq, you have a point, its pretty nasty stuff, but how do we put an end to this madness of ignoring, protecting and defending perps, who give Jews a very bad name?

Please dont tell me that Jew-haters will always hate, no matter what. You realize that if you give them food for fodder, like protecting perps, they’ll surely hate and mock more.

If we pretend this isnt happening to innocents, and dont discuss this publicly, you think the problem will improve or worsen?

My posts are NOT addressing peace-loving aidele people.

a mamin, The anti Satmer sentiment on this sight , is quite obvious, this will really help bring achdus back into Klal Yisroel, won’t it? You are as naive about Satmer as the unknown media who have absolutely have no idea what Chassidus or Satmer is all about!

How wrong you are! I have defended and praised Satmar to the skies on this and other forums. You should only know how many posts Ive posted against the infamous DF after she wrote her book mocking Satmar. I despise her! I have many Satmar relatives who I love.

This has nothing to do with Satmar, this has to do with ONE individual who was accused, and the accuser is being defended by very respectable people, who would NOT be defending the accuser unless they were as sure as they can be of HIS guilt. This has nothing to do with Satmar as a whole.

But, if theres the slightest complaint at all to Satmar, I ask you, if tomorrow a video would surface showing a highly respectable member of Satmar clearly molesting one or more individuals, do you think the Satmar administration would want the highly respected perp to be publicly accused and brought to justice? Im not sure. What do you think?

To those who feel he is innocent and is being wrongfully punished:

What would you say to Rav Yaakov Horowitz and Pearl Engelman, two very ehrlich people, who after much research, with no personal vendetta against him, were thoroughly convinced of his guilt and asked for support of the victim, despite her being less outwardly frum than him?

a mamin:

So 14 hour trips to the country with a young attractive female are kosher, but not wearing heavy tights and reading People magazine, is a more serious offense? Get your head together.

And how about that others in the community have said that they know of many others who vere victims of his, but they are hesitant to come forward. A devoutly Hasidic woman whose son was abused years ago, said there are eight others, who just refuse to shame their families and arent coming forward. Ive heard Chassidishe Rebbes who are aware of the case, sympathized with the victim as well.

Do you think she chose to have her entire life, mistakes included, being torn apart and scritunized by lawyers in court, just for revenge? Do you think many others who stood up for her and believe her were taking revenge as well? For what?

Three locks on the door, for what?

What planet are you living on? Planet of Denial it seems.

Please have your young pretty daughters and other relatives go visit him in jail behind closed doors. They will surely spend their time with him telling them how evil it is not to wear heavy tights, etc. After all hes a frummer Yid and NO frumme people commit these kinds of crimes.

nishtdayngesheft,

So in order to get a conviction thats fair in your eyes, and prevent an accused individual from walking, you think we need Hashem to come down and say guilty?

Hashem has never done that before, that I know of.

The best of “proof” and the best of witnesses can be totally false.

nishtdayngesheft,

If YOU were willing to be honest with YOURSELF youd ask yourself and others why he took a young pretty girl on a 14 hour trip all alone. If he had good intentions and the desire to keep Hilchos Yichud, hed have taken someone along for the ride.

nishtdayngesheft, proclivity … shmoclivity.

In cases where the kid is lying, the roles are reversed: the kid is the perp, and the person alleged to be a molester is the victim. The problem with forums like this is that too many people assume that all accusers are telling the truth.

Yes, that is true!

There are very few people who I trust more than Rav Yaakov Horowitz. I think he has his finger on the pulse.

IMHO, I dont think R’ Horowitz would go as far as asking outsiders to support the accuser unless he had no doubt of the sincerity of her claims, based not only on what the accuser says, but on the experiences of others (plural) who have no relationship to the accuser, who have come forward either publicly or privately.

For R’ Horowitz to have asked for support of the alleged victim, if he wasnt as sure as he could be, would make him an evil person. He is neither stupid or evil.

Comparing an insect to a human being whether guilty or not, is really “off”.

Yes, definitely, considering that most insects dont have as sophisticated brains and self control as humans should have.

And, I havent yet heard of one insect whose behavior led others of their species to go “Off” the Derech. So, yes, there are differences.

Accusing someone without proof is a huge avera

As far as casting guilt, theres much mud slinging all around, as is typical with such a publicly known court case.

nishtdayngesheft

…..I don’t know this case nor am I following it, but it is quite likely that there a goodly number if people who know this man. And they believe they know him well and know that he could not have done such a thing.

1-Since when does reputation have anything at all to do with innocence or guilt? In the first well known frum molestation case of many years ago, involving a psychologist, he was the most admired and respected person in the world. Absolutely no one believed it of him, until the accusations started raining on him from all over.

2-It seems that there are many complaints/accusations from unrelated people, with this case as well.

Zeeskite,

I don’t know you, or about you, but I wouldn’t poke fun at me, because Im not attempting to poke fun at any Mitzvah at all. I am very into checking for bugs and constantly learning new things about specific produce.

My main attempt is to call attention to Rabbi Horowitz’s unique bravery, which I dont recall our community having had the likes of, EVER, among members of Right Wing Rabbinate! Very courageous indeed.

Please dont focus on a sentence here or there. I think checking for and ridding our community of molesters should be equally important, not more important than any other Mitzvah. Strangely, ridding our community of molesters has been very low on the totem pole of importance.

How do we define Reshaim?

Are people who learned Torah, and subsequently became “non-believers”, and even worse, mock their frum brethren for their religious practices, considered Reshaim?

One of the movers and shakers there, an ex-Chasid in his early thirties, presently a poker dealer in the Atlantic City casinos and little else career-wise, helps the lonely souls approaching the organization find apartments away from their family, and encourages and advises on how to deal with their frum family, to squeeze as much as they can out of their family and then stray as much as they can. He’s not listed as a staff member there, but is a person of great importance there and is very gung-ho about destroying frumkeit in any way shape or form. Formerly Chassidic, he has become the lowest of the low and is doing everything in his power to build up the organization and popularize it to as many Chassidic brothers and sisters as he can, to draw them away from their roots and be like him (a “free of rules and regulations” anti-Judaism hate monger). He barely has money for food and yet puts all his energy into that goal. Once he develops interest in a member, theyre almost posessed by him and the organization.

I cant believe that not a single Jewish organization or individual is involved in combating this organization. I’d know about it if there would be. Ive made contacts and inquired. People of importance, who deal with OTD young adults, have thrown up their hands in surrender and seem to be clueless on what to do.

600, I hear, but in the meantime much damage is being done.

Sad that the same organization that I think helps fund worthwhile organizations like Chabad and probably camps like Sternberg and Magen Avraham, which are undoubtedly pro-frumkeit, at the same time funds “feet” which destroys frumkeit. “Feet”‘s helping with the education part is not a bad thing, in and of itself, but why do they have to mock frumkeit? There are many ultra- religious individuals who have attained very high levels of success in many professional fields. Religiosity and higher education arent mutually exclusive. “Feet” claims that to achieve success in this world and be a productive member of society, you have to rid yourself of religosity. “Feet” takes lonely individuals and walks them through elimination of religiosity, as the secret to happiness, freedom and success and serves as family to these individuals. To “feet”, practice of religiosity is harmful, period. With their “openminedness” they dont tolerate or allow a voice to anyone with any other views or approaches.