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@sacts,
The idea of medicare for all is a noble idea but when you get down into the weeds it doesn’t make sense from a quantitive nor a qualitative perspective.
Lets start with quantitative;
1) Medicare does not cover long term health. There is a good reason for that. It cost too much money and is unaffordable. Are you OK withy gutting that out of medicad which does cover LTC now.
2) Medicare doesn’t cover dental
3) There is a limit on OT and PT services. If you look at how much therapy children receive from early childhood to speech to OT to PT. And if CVS special needs even more. Who pays for all that under “medicare for all”? Right now most of that isn’t covered under medicare albeit its for seniors but you get my idea.
4) Medicare charges copays and premiums for many seniors. Can we do that under your Medicare for all?
Now lets talk about quality,
Our medical care is second to none and the envy of the world. Look at how many people collect in shul for a yid from EY who needs to be in the USA for medical care. This is because drs can charge high fees and make money. Its a business and drs who work hard need to be incentivized so they are rich. The same is for hospital ceo’s who build up start of the art facilities to provide high quality care. Many dr’s now don’t take medicare, under medicare for all, where prices will be negotiated down even more, you think they will accept it? And if they do we will look like Canada and the UK where lines for hip replacements are 6 months. And only the rich get better care via cash.To summarize our standard of health care is so vast and expensive. We have very high demands and everything is a must. Therapy, mental health, LTC, dental all of that isn’t covered in Israel or other single payer systems. Neither do they have the ability to sue like here. We also have state of the art care that’s at least accessible to middle class thanks to private insurance. if your proposal is, something like emergency care for all, limited to hospital care etc. then I think that’s noble. But without severely fiddling around with the current system, its impossible to pay for all of this without compromising on quality or quantity of care.
As a side note, you left out one very important fact about the ACA. Sure it forced (or at least its idea was to force) those uninsured to get insurance thereby yes they pay more but its to their benefit. However, they weren’t the only ones who suffered a loss. It also forced those who are responsible and have health insurance already to pay more for all those irresponsible who now need to be covered with pre existing conditions too.
One more side note (and I agree this one is somewhat off topic) the idea that we need to cover the poor under medicad no matter what their behavior toward self care is a huge chutzpah and absurd. At my job if you smoke they charge you an extra $1K. And everyone has to partake in a work on wellness program or you pay another $1K. The fact that medicad holds no bounds and that you can be a fat smoker who drinks all day too makes the sense of entitlement such nerve. Medicad ought to charge if you smoke and obligate everyone to commit to work on wellness.
@damoshe,
Tuition is tricky. In communities like Lakewood and chasidish communities it isn’t more than when we grew up in Brooklyn comparatively. (I am not counting girls seminary which is out of control)
Housing is an issue and you got me there.
Re cars, there are always some that need two cars. But firstly if you live in a city like Brooklyn, even with his working parents, there is always the city bus and subway. It’s how we grew up. Even if you live in Lakewood or monsey you’ll be surprised how much you can make do with things close by and one car. It’s almost a city . Wife can drive the husband on way to her work etc. Work is much mire remote now and one spouse probably works part time at home. I am not saying it can work for everyone. But you’ll be surprised what can happen if you realize we don’t need everything that we even call a necessity.
Housing did stump me as that’s an issue and I thank hashem I bought ten years ago. But I’ll just say my mother ah always reminded me how she bought a house in the early 70s with interest rates at 10% and hyperinflation. Lines for gas were blocks long. She use to tell me how she baked stuff that didn’t need egg’s because eggs were so high . I laughed at her till eggs were $7 last year. Things weren’t always so easy then but the difference is like my mother people knew to do more with less. We are more spoiled now@CT Lawyer
Thanks for that clarity. So it sounds like you are saying in a nutshell that based on your internal polling right now, swing districts aren’t switching back over to trump (Sort of Trump to Biden to back to Trump).
I am curious why Nat Silver keeps on making it a tie. But I suppose that’s due to simple enthusiasm. He isn’t narrowly focused on swing districts like you are. I do think some swing voters feel like you and don’t think trump should be indicted but I guess that doesn’t mean we want trump as president.
I’ll pop yet another hypothetical question, if trump loses and is found guilty and sent to jail does that put an end to this Trump craziness? Can we return to substantive debates and sides of the aisle? Good old debates if reganomics work or LBJ works? I’d even add yes a modern day touch like school choice and kind of the culture wars there (pro vs anti LGBT) but in a civil discourse and respectful manner? Is there hope for that? (I am actually pro a kind of “Desantis lite” approach with being a little less provactive. At least he is a moral human)
Side note, I think if trump goes to jail that makes him a maryter and it will tear apart this country in ways you can’t imagine. i hope they are smart enough to do what Arik did to Arafat. Place him under house arrest in Maro lago and block his twitter!@Ct Lawyer,
I am still curious what data or evidence have you seen that tells you trump won’t game the electoral college again and win? How can you know that?Here is yet another “idea”.
Realize that you don’t need many of the things you bought. Look at how they live in EY. Do you really need two cars when the cost of a new car is astronomical? When “zaidy” was young in the 1980’s and 1990’s many families had one car. Can you really not manage that way? Its OK to fargin an Uber when stuck. its still much cheaper than two cars. Do we really need to go out to eat so much etc.
I am not even talking about the Orlando, fancy houses, trips to Europe, EY and Cancun, fancy meat boards etc.
I know everyone does this and its “nerdy” not to spend on the above. Its like king nerd to have one car and CVS use a car service. But get real and grow up.@CT Lawyer;
I am just narrowly focusing on this piece that you wrote;
“In 2016 It was my opinion that the country was deeply divided and it would be close. Clinton won the popular vote ( including mine) but Trump’s election strategy allowed him to take the Electoral College majority and become President.”Why won’t that work again in 2024?
To be clear, I too disdain Trump (although i am staunch supporter of a Trump plus candidate like Desantis). I also think he is guilty and much more corrupt than Nixon. I also think Nixon, at least till he got drunk and depressed, knew what he did was wrong. trump has some kind of mental illness where he only believes what he wants. I think the Smith indictments are mostly wrong because the fact that experts proved he lost means nothing to a mentally ill person. Go try to reason with your 6 year old having tantrum.(This is my defense of him but also damming and telling why he can’t be POTUS). The inly guilty thing I found was that if you even if you are right you can’t take the law into your hands and appoint fake electors. But the intent just isn’t there. Anyhow this is a side tangent.
My key question is what makes 2024 different than 2016? Are we less split now? Is Biden more likable than Hillary? you say I have learned to read, observe, digest and analyze. What’s your basis?
(P.S. side note re ACA as a corporate employee, I’d say premiums rose thanks to ACA and pre existing conditions rules but not to unaffordable levels. So its very hard to know if a small sacrifice was worth it)
@ CT Lawyer,
Under what basis are you saying the below? what makes you predict that? Just curious how one can predict anything at all? And I am curious what you predicted in 2016? Is your basis because you think Trump will be found guilty in court by Nov 2024? Will that really change voters minds? i am just curious where you prediction comes from?
Election in Nov. 2024
The Democratic nomineeBy the way I am not a fan of Trump either. But I am a realist and just because I am a never trumper (at least for 2024) that doesn’t mean that I’d even predict he losses
@CTL how can you say with certainty Biden wins in Nov 24? 538 has Trump and Biden at a tie right now. Nat silver isn’t exactly a conservative. I am not saying Trump will win nor do I want him to win but we simply don’t know. He may win.
Rabbi A Miller Z”L use to say stay married and continue (Of course not fighting but continue together he would quip.) He had very harsh words to say about divorce just because you can’t get along. Now I don’t know what he would say about mental illness or CVS any top of abuse. And nothing is a cardinal rule. From the tone of your question though, it sounds like it isn’t extreme to the point of abuse. Rabbi A Miller ZL is the torah way.
By the way most of our holocaust grandparents were not that compatible and many fought. But they knew you need to tough it out and hold it together.
@shimon I still don’t see why Orlando is vidas zenus. It’s kosher family fun like anything else. If you mean because it’s a hang out, then ein ldavar sof. Many Cholom hamoed trips are that too . Many simchas or kiddishim have hang outs. There are bigger averous.
@shimon, who says Orlando is a place of zenus? There are houses with private pools and amusement parks just like six flags here in the greater Nyc. It isn’t even a beach town.
AviraDeArah,
I have news for you. European jewery was the same way. My hungarain grandmother had shortsleeves and went to Public school too. My grandfather went to work at like 14 and barely knew how to read gemara. yet they were super erhlich despite being “MO” although they davened in an oberlender shul.Furthermore, 75 years ago there were plenty of yeshivas in the NYC area. And yes plenty chashuvim went to yitzchok elchanon.
I don’t know about Josephus, I mean we do know that the jews didn’t listen to chazal much during Josephus time nebach either. (look at the baryanim and all the others, then corrupt Kohen gadol etc.) But thats history. pre war Europe and the USA nobody aside for chasidim really had a thing to ask “das torah” every move. This is a new thing.
PS I don’t suggest that all this change is bad. its beautiful to be better jews. But don’t make it sound like MO is some kind of reform movement. They aren’t open orthdoxy CVS.
75 years ago in the USA, almost every orthodox jew was really MO. Women didn’t cover their hair unless in shul, they wore short sleeves everybody hate cholov stam, nobody learned in kolel, everybody went to college and work, all had secular names, mixed seating by simchas (aguda convention use to have mixed seating) no shtreimels or beards etc. The world moved more to the right as the years passed. The MO believes if it was frum enough for 75 years ago its Ok now too.
Side note, the idea that a rav is someone who i ask anything more than halchaha aka das torah is also a new phenomenon that started roughly with R chaim ozer Z’l. The idea of das torah in litfisha circles is new. It used to be that you just worried about halchaha. (The chasam sofer and hungarain jewry had more since it was kehila based.)
To the naysayers who say the two can’t mix; I see that in desperate situations this works just fine. I know older singles , divorced and sick singles who once they knew they couldn’t be choseey the all went for litvush and chasdiish and figured out their differences. If we wanted we can get it done. It’s a matter of mindset