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@Always_Ask_Questions
T was good for Israel in his first term and that further strengthens my view this time around to. We agree on that.No “Big wars”? And exactly what “BIG wars” did Obama or Biden have? You mean worldwide no “BIG wars”? You really think that the president has so much influence to solve the worlds problems. Like Russia would not have taken Ukriane under trump? I don’t buy that. Trump had luck.
“In internal politics, all kind of stupid things and spending was happening, with no hope ahead”
Do you know how much Trump increased spending and bloated our budget even before COVID? Then came COVID where Trump spent like a druken sailor with no accountability. I believe in total the deficit increased by $7T under trump. I am gald so many yidden got PPP and so many got paid to sit home and not work.($600 stimulus) on top of $1200 per person stimulus. But you think that doesn’t cause inflation??? And who are you kidding about Tarrifs. Its such a petty thing. China & mexico produce what would we mostly have no interest in producing and for much cheaper.. The old republican free economy and open trade is a far better policy. Immigration, we need immigrants. I need my goyta and so does your local grocery store.Trump also lies about crime that immigrants cause. (as if our hands were so clean when we were immigrants in the early 1900’s). He blows up stroies and makes it up. Same is true, about the stolen elections fraud. All a complete lie and his ilk drink the kool aid. They pick on one small incident and that becomes the buggyman. Same with Biden being corrupt because of Hunter. These are all lies with 10% of truth that becomes the narrative.
The federal govt is indeed inefficient. But not because its workers are goofing off and ripping off the govt. Its ineffienct because its lacking technology and living off paper trails plus old legacy systems written in the 1970’s. When i apply for medicaid it should be able to use AI and other tools to decide upon my approval within 24 hours. It shouldn’t take 3 months and require the human eye. Laying off employees isn’t the answer. The answer is making a short term investment where you spend more to modernize and retrain employees. (Then if someone resists retraining then yes he/she should be laid off). Musks ideas will just cause more pain in the long run.
The only policy which I agree with is about transgenders and schools who push educating that. i think thats exaggerated too. But there even if 10% is true it needs to stop.
Make no mistake. I am a Trump supporter who is not fooled by the mans deceit nor do I buy into most of his horrible policies. I do think the man comes with alot of risk. But what can i do, i can’t bear the thought of Oct 7 (I still shake when tuck my children into bed thinking about the last time Yarden Bibas tucked his children in on Oct 6). And to me, that’s so overwhelming and perosnal that anyone who will stand up to the palsestinains with the might of Trump superceeds anything else.
@crazykanoiy,
Musk allowing haters on X stems for the general right wing anger after Trump was silenced on Twitter. Re his jokes after the fact. He was mocking the media who made a tzimus about him. The man is a distasteful person and despicible but I think you fall into the trap that because its Trump related and far right, we need to believe he is a jew hater. Especially when everything Trump does must be bad for us. I think its human tendency to fall into that line of reasoning but its not the clear truth.Re Boheler, yes he is bad arrogant player but you are overblowing the harm done. Direct vs indirect talks in my mind is symatnics. Its fulff and logically doesn’t really matter. Besides R Michoel Ber zl spoke and negiotated directly with nazis to save lives too. I am not so convinced that it wrong. And it certainly doesn’t seem to be like a new anti Israel stance. Trump seems to still have Israel’s back in almost every sense of the manner. Dremer may be outraged but it didn’t chnage anything really. There will always be disagreements but big picture I don’t see how you can say that Trump is anything but the best Israel can ask for. Please don’t look at one or two isolated incidents. Big Picture Hamas is now squeezed in so many ways thanks to trump.
Baruch, I believe its such an unprecedented emergency. And I don’t think anyone else is capable or has the guts to stand up to the arabs like trump. I loved Desnatis and maybe he would have done similar. I am not convinced that Rubio would even tell them to their face that they are monsters’ and that there are no innocents in Gaza. this kind of talk and support seems unprecedented. To be clear, I fully get your concern though. We are playing with fire when delaing with such a crazy erotic egotistical manaic like trump.
@ DaasYochid ☕
“No, their point is to encourage and help facilitate installing filters.”
Thats whitewashing and using excuses like TAG does because they are lazy to fundraise. When they started the mosad years ago it was to get people to have filters. Everyone knows that. This fine line that its only here to “raise awareness” and facilitate but not to install is just an excuse. Most pople who donate to the tzedka do so because they want people to get filters. This kind hairsplitting is an excuse and frankly its a little deceiving once you call it a tzedka. And even if you feel no this was only their mission statement, since they are in this space and do all the work already, it wouyld be incumbent on them to be big boys and go the full route. Stop the hair splitting.
I get your argument that there isn’t funding but I don’t buy it. BH people are so wealthy that its not hard to get funding. As I mentioned above, Aderi torah gets $5M+ for one shabbos and TAG can’t raise some money for filters? BH there is a shefa of gelt for everything under the sun. Furthermore, like I noted, TAG would still”request” that everyone who gets a filter pay and 90% would pay. You only need to raise for the 10%. Maybe 20%. I am not buying that there is no money for it. I think its mindset. Like es pas nisht to just give it out for free.
@Baruch D
Your argument about Trump destroying the republican party is 1000% correct. All its values both morally and economically are gone. And they were mostly good values. You are also correct in your point about promoting radcial right wingers.Where I disagree with you is on Israel and the fact that right now the right is as bad as the left. I think right now its such an emergency that we need to focus on the present and not the future. Right now its the left thats obstructing the war in Gaza. The college campuses and the luny squad directly influenced Biden whereby he blocked arms shipments and condemned Israel at times. (To be clear Biden was well intended and an Ohev yisroel). And the way Schumer treated Bibi the PM of Israel when he came to the USA, that was unquestionably influenced by free Palestine. To say that it doesn’t have repercussions and doesn’t embolden Hamas is just factually not realistic. The same is true when Biden didn’t let israel to into Rafah right away. Who knows how many IDF soilders were lost because it emboldened Hamas and gave them a chance to arm up, let alone maybe we would have gotten hostages out quicker if we fought that war quicker without hands tied consistently.
Having a president that tells the world the way it is with his Gaza plan and lets them know we know this is a charade and that all 2M palestinains in gaza are terrorists and inhuman. All of that is very very crucial to win this war. 3/4 of this is image. Trump let the world know just what anaimls they were for Bibas and the holocaust survivior hostages. These ideas and bluntness is important.
To your point of emboldening the left so far thats a mixed bag. The past elctions actaully silenced the left. I think all of the Squad candidates lost including that seat in the Bronx and others. On the other hand for the sake of honesty, i will admit that Canada seemed to have elected a real lefite now thanks to Trump. So its a mixed bag.
All in all, I mostly agree with you that trump is bad. But I think the animosity for anything Trump can cloud judgement. Just like the pro Maga see nothing wrong ever. And I think that many of the never trump folks are faling into that same trap. The trump pro Israel stance despite the sticky points like direct negotiations are blaring and its life and death for klal yisorel. Once this war ends I am with you in the never Trump camp.
@HaKatan
Yes, even gedolim wrote nice titles. They had no choice, as Rabbi Kook was very powerful politically, and they had to deal with him.Again with your lies. I thoguht you said something thats in writing can’t be interpreted?? Now you are doing just that. So Satmar reba sefarim can’t be that he was really just anti secular and this was just a way to stop the secularism. Thats would be called an Interpretation. But all the gedolim claling him such high names including those in europe were because he was “powerful”. No interpretation there?
And whats the reason that after his passing for many years gedolim like R Elyashiv pubclally held him in high respct? Also because they were scared of his “power”?
And was he really so powerful politically that gedolim in Europe should be scared? Give me a break. He wasn’t so powerful. Ypu made that up and continue to make up youtr own rules. He was just well respected.
Botttom line, its Ok to say that most gedolim did not agree with zionsim from a hashkafa. We therefore need to go like the majorty. But to say that there is zero of a makor in out torah or to say its heresy is just your own hot headedness making things up.
@☕ DaasYochid ☕
But thats the point whether you agree or disagree more people than you’d think are not sold on filters yet. Others will nod their heards but inside aren’t sold on it either. Call it what you want. if its not free less people filter.. I also wouldn’t call it an “entitlement” but just like I don’t think anyone thinks they are entitled to free food from Bikur cholim, you still wouldn’t charge for the food, the same is true with TAG. This is the whole point of TAG@crazykanoiy
I think the issues you raise don’t really hurt Jews that much. Just as you see with the maga Jews that nothing Trump does can be bad because they drink the maga kool aid , I see that with you. I don’t think it’s intentional but I think your mind is gravitating to the trees vs the forest. Humans tend to believe what they want to. It’s very difficult to truly be honest intellectually when there is such high emotions such as with Trump. I find this to be the case on both sides of the aisle.I saw you threw in musk as a Jew hater. There is no proof to that other than how he moved his hands once without thinking. He was attacked for some bizarre Nazis salute. If you step back and think logically why would musk even do that in public? He also denied that intention. It makes no sense . But the conclusion right away is that he is a Nazis. That’s exactly how things get blown up. And to be fair, musk is very dangerous. That further eggs people on to hate him and rightfully so. But it clouds judgement from the obvious which is that he never intended to salute despite how despicable of a person he is.
And so back to Trump and Israel. Of course what’s going on in colleges have a huge impact. It’s why Biden delayed certain weapons shipments to Israel and condemned them a few times. It’s also physically scary for the students who are present in college. It’s tangibley dangerous right now. Will Carlson fame fade away or will he have a greater influence on Americans in the future? I don’t have a glass ball nor will I stand here and defend him. (.personally I think the man just wants attention and has no ideology at all)
I get your concern about future repercussions.
Boruch D I get what you are saying . I wouldn’t call your concerns secondary issues. But I think what both you and crazy knoy miss is that, this is an emergency right now. There is no time to think . We need to do what’s best right now because it’s the worse it’s been since the holocaust. Trump clearly doesn’t fall for Hamas charades and has Israel’s back on this . It’s the first time the Arabs and the U.N. Are being told to their face that all 2m Palestinians are terrorists . Don’t fall for the charades. And the world can’t deny it anymore. It finally sets the playing field and ups the aunte. That with Israel having the green light plus bringing hostages home are all so important that if that’s the price to pay for having Trump we will clean up his mess laterIt’s a tezdaka for a reason. The basic premise of its cause is to get people to have filters. That’s how it started. I got it that they grew now but that’s still the fundamental. You don’t encourage people by charging and then collecting as if it’s a tezadka. Bikur cholim doesn’t charge for its food. It’s also small minded of them. On todays society when one Shabbos of aderi Torah Collects $5M+ don’t tell me they can’t get their act together to fundraise for that . This is their cause . Stop coming with this altitude that it’s accepted everyone pay but you are a tzadka
TAG has connections with filter companies. They should be offering free filters even if it means that TAG needs to pay something for the filters. That’s what tzedaka is about. Tomechai Shabbos doesn’t raise its own chickens either. At minimum I am saying that TAG should be offering those filters free for those that can’t afford it. It doesn’t mean you can’t ask those that can afford it to pay
@crazykanoiy
Firstly you definitely have a fair point that the frum in general are so biased that they block out anything negative on trump as if trump can do no harm. Its true about the here and there anti semites. And its even more true about non Israel polices that will hurt the frum community disproportionality. Whether its immigration, slashing the DOE, tarrifs etc. this is all bad for us. At the same time, as it pertains to Israel, you are grasping on straws and nit picking. You are doing that because you have such trump hate and can’t bring yourself to admit that he is good for jews on this topic. Therefore you find that small disagreements.Sure Israel was mad at the USA for that. But big picture its a blip. I don’t really see the whole silly symantic as to whether Qatar talks to Hamas or the USA. Either way they are releavnt. Its just a game. In the bigger scheme of things, I’d trust the USA to talk to Hamas over Qatar any day. So there is a downside but its miniscule. Its very clear that the diplomat didn’t give away anything to Hamas. It looks like in fact its prodcuiong reuults and we may save 10 more Jewish lives. And so you need to see the big picture
I don’t take stock in some right wing holocaust denial podcaster. Firstly, there are always crazies and trump didn’t even support them. The left also has crazies. Thats golus and noone is saying its prefect. I only look at policy. The differnece between the right wing and columbia is, that the right wing’s yelling doesn’t affect policy or relevant worldwide issues. At columbia its feeding Hamas which is right now killing and torturing jews. And it also strengthens the UN plus other organizations. So it has real tangible on the moment effects. Furthermore, its threatening jewish students who attend college . A crazy nut job podcatser doesn’t make us jews scared to attend classes or work. And so there are real tangible differences as to why one is more of a threat. That doesn’t absolve the need for Trump to condemn them but the moral equivalence is very different.
Lastly, I get your argument about the long term repercussions both for Israel and Trump. However, this is the point you keep on missing. We are standing now at a pivotal moment. Israel can allow hamas to rebuild or permanently stop them. If the prior that emans many will die and suffer in a few years down the road. Under a Biden / Blinken adminstation despite their true goodness for israel and I believe that with a full heart, that’s what would have happened. Because thats just ahow diplomacy works. Brong peace now and kick the issues down the road. But that spells more detah for israel. israel is right now like a pateint with liver failure who needs a new liver. Sure, its the futrue is dangerous and a liver transplant is hard. But it needs to be bold now and not worry about the future. Another way to say it is how the lubvutacha reba said it years ago when israel almost had Damscus and stopped short of capturing it. The UN will yell anyhow, so now they will yell a little louder. In short, israel can’t afford to worry about world opnion now. It needs to save itself now. if tuning off water and electric plus aliiging with trump helps that, then do it. We need to think short term to squeeze Hamas.
And lastly again, the trump gaza plan is a wake up call to the world and extremely wise. Of course it will never happen but the shake up that it did. The world now has to face the facts of the relaity it always tried to cover up. Finally a man who has the guts to tell them they are full of it and all 2M arabs are part of a cult of terror. Whatever plan is produced, the world can no longer accept business as usual.
To summarize my very detailed response, Trump is not our savior nor perfect. he is also a very and president plus immoral. But only an intellectually dishonest person would chose to look the trees and nitpick vs the forest. There is no question that for Israel’s sake this is whats needed and whats good for them. I say that at such a pivotal moment all his other craziness is worth the price. But yes that doesn’t mean the the frum emdia should just ignore the other issues.
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☕ DaasYochid ☕
The problem is that many of us get multiple devices it’s not unheard of for a family to have 7-8 devices . Those costs add up. And it’s continuous unlike the device which is one time expense. Furthermore, they run it so like a business. I once had an issue whereby I mistakenly signed up twice for the same fliter and was double charged. They refused to provide a refund for the extra until i threatened to dispute the charge and go public. They also played this game that the billing dept or anyone high up was never available when i tried to call. In reality it’s one little office with 3 people.(they think i am stupid)I don’t know who the poster above is or if it’s a troll, but I can say that I agree with him. It’s a chutzpah that on the one hand everyone preaches to get a filter and tag is so holy but they charge plus nickel and dime. I noted this in another forum. You could continue to believe that everyone is so sold on filters like a food hashgacha. But it’s really not the same. And people aren’t sold. Tag and others need to stop all this nickel and dimming. Yes you can offer free filters too with a requested donation . I guarantee if you do you’d fine the money. I don’t buy that you can’t . You just a want the perks of saying how helig the mosad is without sweating. The altitude needs to change. And certainly stop Nickle and dimming
@ HaKatan
even that supposed approval was specifically after Rabbi Kook had agreed to retract his heretical writingsThat’s a story based on interpretation. According to you that doesn’t count. Show us that in writing
@HaKatan
You can write heresy and not be a kofer? Not only that but you can still be the greatest gedolims rebbe????
You are full of yourself! LOLcrazykanoiy
Trump Admin Cancel $400M in Grants to Columbia Over Failure to Protect Jewish Students
Aagin why trump is good for jews
In a letter to Rabbi Kook, Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer and Rabbi Moshe Mordechai Epstein greeted Rabbi Kook with “Our honored friend, the great gaon and glory of the generation, our master and teacher, Avraham Yitzchak Hacohen, shlita”. Meltzer was also quoted as saying “Let them, any of us, pray on Yom Kippur the way Rav Kook prays on an average weekday.”[43]
Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer also once said to the famed Rabbi Chaim Ozer Grodzinsky from Vilna, “The two of us are considered Torah giants until we reach the door of Rabbi Kook’s office.” (cited by Rabbi Eliezer Melamed, Israel National News, August 8, 2013).
There are also some rabbis who spoke very highly of Kook in greetings of the letters they sent to him.
Chaim Ozer Grodzinski: “Our friend, the gaon, our master and teacher, Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Kook, shlita” and “The Glory of Honor, My Dear Friend, Ha-Rav Ha-Gaon, Ha-Gadol, the Famous One… The Prince of Torah, Our Teacher, Ha-Rav Avraham Yitzchak Ha-Cohen Kook Shlita…”[44]
Boruch Ber Leibowitz: “The true gaon, the beauty, and glory of the generation, the tzaddik, his holiness, Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak, may his light shine, may he live for length of good days and years amen, the righteous Cohen, head of the beis din [court] in Jerusalem, the holy city, may it soon be built and established.”
Chatzkel Abramsky: “The honored man, beloved of Hashem and his nation, the rabbi, the gaon, great and well-known, with breadth of knowledge, the glory of the generation, etc., etc., our master Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Hacohen Kook, shlita, Chief Rabbi of the Land of Israel and the head of the Beis Din in the holy city of Jerusalem”
Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach: “In the time of Rabbi Kook, the majority of Torah giants were ‘all as if nothing’ compared to him.
Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv: Owing to the close relationship Rabbi Kook had with his grandfather, the Leshem, Rabbi Shlomo Elyashiv, Rabbi Kook made the match of Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv and his wife, who was the daughter of Rabbi Kook’s close student, Rabbi Aryeh Levin. Rabbi Kook officiated at their wedding, and Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv later chose Rabbi Kook to be the Kohen (Priest) to redeem his oldest son, Shlomo, at his Pidyon Ha-Ben. Rav Elyashiv revered Rav Kook for both his piety and his Talmudic erudition. Rav Elyashiv would do all he could to silence those who would criticize Rav Kook and attempt to diminish his stature. He would frequently describe Rav Kook’s saintliness at his Shabbat table and occasionally reminisce about the times he attended seudah shelishit in his home.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said of Rabbj Kook that he was “a great man” and it is “forbidden to speak against him.” Rabbi Yosef further called Rabbi Kook “Tzaddik Yesod Olam
We know Haktan will say ots all stories that can be interpreted. Right only his facts are correct. of course he will bully us despite overwhelming evidence that R Kook was a holy man.
Just to clarify again, Mesora & Psak in Rizyhin is that Zionsim is al pi torah.
Mesora-Psak, is not subject for interpretation and is not a story. Its deeply rooted in torah and stronger than sefarim.
@crazykanoiy
` Trump talking to hamas is one tiny blip of disagreemnt. You are grasping on straws. While he talks to them he is tweeting that they will pay for it if they don’t listen. They even hinted on more american involvement. Look people weren’t so ahppy with the whole phase 1 deal that Trump forced upon israel. You will never credit him for that. But once you saw those hostages come home I think we all saw it was needed. It’s very convenient for bias perosn like you to find that one straw and blow it up vs seeing the big picture.Re The Trump gaza plan you miss the point or rather I should say you chose to miss the point. Noone ever suggests it workable. But even you’ll admit in a perfect world it would be the idela plan. From logical perspective thats what sane people would do. Lets say i told you we are rebuilding the towns on LA hit by wildfires or a town hit by sandy. Would you let everyone hang out near the destruction with downed wires and polls or small fires still burning? You’d first nee to clear everyone out for safety. Then we you rebuild would you build in the same way? Some houses in real flood zones with unsafe land will never be rebuilt, others need to rebuilt differently and smarter. You just can’t guarantee that everyone gets their house back. .Now imagine that on top of the destruction you also have a society stuck in a cult like Jonestown who will go on killing spree and die rather than leave. Would you just rebuild Jonestown after a huraaicne or would you try to offer people in its a cult opportunity for a better furutre and to snap out of it?
Do we agree that in a perfect world we should be doing what Trump suggests? If you say no , you are just insane.Now practically exactly as you say it, its not workable. because we are dealing with a cult of terror and crazy people. So whats the gain? It moves the needle and makes the world stop and think. It challenges Egyot while exposing Hamas charade . it further isolates Hamas. All reports are that the gulf states ditched the egypt summit and have no interest in contributing toward its rebuilding. Obviulsy the trump plan will never happen but it fianlly moves the neddle. How far? Who knows. But it moves it. Furthermore, it gives Israel more validlity as people see there are no two sides. There is a reason Hamas is livid with the trump plan. Don’t forget we aren’t looking to make “peace” with Hamas where you’ll argue such plans are not condusive with peace. Israel doesn’t want peace and its not safe to make peace. We are looking to eliimnate and isolate them a smuch as we can. Thats the only way forward. This does that.
Re your point about the money Israel gets. Thats silly. You & I know trump likes to line his own pockets first. He also likes his base. (I also thinks he genuinely respects jews and Jared but leave that aside). What comes out of the govt is not the same as what lines his own pockets and enriches him. That still comes forst by trump. And the pro Israel money lining his pockets are billions and billions.. Side note, This think that he cares so much about govt spending is a farce. trump is a fraud. last time around he spent like a drunken sailor. This is just the way the wind is blowing and for what he wants like his stupid border nonsense he is spending like a durnken sailor. Its all about what enriches trump. So he couldn’t;’t really care less about the USA dishing out money to Israel if its further himsef Meanwhile I don’t see anyone form Ukraine lining his pockets. its a good chance that the Ruskies are lining his pockets more. I am not saying that its just the donors that keep him supporting israel. Its also a principal where he think he hates arabs and is pro isarel. But the money helps a lot and keeps that going. And yes Ukriane was dumb and should have gotten some oligarchs to help him. Trump is indeed corrupt. And so no trump won’t flip on Israel bec he likes himself too much.
All in all, I agree with you that Trump’s polices are horrible and destructive. The man is also morally corrupt with every name in the book. But at the same time its also true that his approach to Israel is very very crucial and important. I think you only deny that because you are bias and it leads to intellectual dishonesty. Its very hard to admit that such a morally corrupt destructive man can be good for jews and israel. you don’t want to believe it and thereffore you wash away the obvious thats staring at you in the face. During these life and death moments which are pivotal for israel, this should override all the other negatives.
@ujm
Thnaks for sharing. the holy Satmar reba zya wrote good teshuvas but he was controversial and many disputed him.Our mesora is that there is an answer to all of it. Mesora & PSAK is stronger than what it says in a sefer that’s walys up for interpretation. Mesora is the purest form of torah Our mesora is that zionsim is al pi torah
@crazykanoiy
Trump’s talking to Hamas doesn’t mean anything. That’s Trump. he does those things all the time. At the end of the the day, Trump also tweeted last night that only sick people keep dead bodies and blasted them again. Overall, I think that report is being blown way outo fproportion compared to his overall policy and behavior.Re The Trump Gaza plan. No its not pure nonsense. Its just that you are such a Trump hater that you can admit the truth. And what I mean to say is lets start with the theory. In theory the most sensible thing to do to a city that’s run by a cult and completely destroyed is to rebuild in a way where the people are not dependent on its cult leader. Now you ask but hey the arabs will never agree and neither will hamas so whats the point? The point is that it moves the needle in terms of negotiations. The Arabs realize that can no longer just do business as usual where its rebuilding the same terror infrastructure again to get destroyed. the gulf nations have no interest in contributing to that. It squeezes Hamas further. They can’t play the same charade again.
To your other point, but it didn’t move Hamas. Firstly i think it got them to phase one. Biden/Blinken did a great job and outlining a plan but Hamas refused to bring it to the finishline. Secondly, it takes time but so far what its doing is, its squeezing Hamas. Now Hamas is on a high because just by showing they survived they won. But once they need to govern and need to come onto others, the more Trump threatens and shows the world how monstorus they are, the less sympathy the world has.
Your point about Zelensky is a mute weak point, We know trump is transactional. trump gains nothing from supporting Zelensky. On the other hand form Israel the man gets billions and billions of dollars, his entire base is pro israel from the evangelicals to the Aidelsons. Just from the transactional point of view the comparison is just a very poor analogy.
@HaKatan
I did that and went to rizhyin. They told me its not a story its mesora. True torah is MESORA and psak. Mesora is not open for interpertation nd not a story. Stop lying and calling it a story.Since I did my job, I now dare you to go to Satmar and ask them what they say about Rizhyin. You won’t bec you are a coward. (You know they will say Rizyin hled like that but its not our mesora. That’s fine)
@ HaKatan
Again because others disagreed that means that R solvetchik doesn’t count and it’s an arutzas. Yup same with R kook same with eim habonim. Oh and if Satmar Reba dismissed the arguments that makes the other side keflra?Your arrogance holds no bounds and you are full of hot air. When only your side counts and everyone else is dismissed as an am haratz or kofer you are nothing more than a loud bully. You can fairly argue that these gedolim were mostly das yachid and we shouldn’t pasken like them although I am not sure that’s accurate. But to say with certainty is just your arrogant bully lies .
We must not get intimidated and resist hakatan bullying.
Zionism is NOT factually against our Torah. According to many holy Jews Zionism is al pi Torah. We have Torah sources and Mesorah which is stronger than Torah sources. Of course the biggest proof is that the religious Zionist remain strong shomeri Torah umitzvas. That’s the siman.@Rif,
Why shouldn’t eridcating Hamas or at least its ideology be the goal? Yes we are in golus but just as we did Dubai and the saudis we can’t we buy them with money and opportunity like the Trump plan? Some of it may have to be via combination of foorced exile and some war and the other money.I wouldn’t say we won the war on hamas. But your assesment that they are alive and kicking and therefore nothing was achieved is very narrow. They are aslive and weak. They will need 10 years to rebuild and can’t attack us till then. They are also in a pickle now. Once the guns quite down, sure they can show off they are still alive but now what? How do they rebuild and who gives them money? Who trusts them even among arabs? The rich gulf states did not show up to the Egypt summit and have no interest. Iran is much weaker and I don’t think can afford the $40B needed. now Hamas has to look around at its destruction and see noone wants to help. Thats a success of the war.
Lastly, I don’t see what your other choice is. let Hamas continue to grow again? Like you say we are in golus and can’t fight back ? So what should we do? Under prime minster Rif what would you suggest we do so we don’t get masscared again?
@crazykanoiy
I am sorry but those reports are sketchy at best. Its also just talks and I don’t see anything substantive at of those kinds of things. You have to be completely baised and dishonest not to see how good trump is for Israel so far. After the Trump Gaza plan, new arms shipments, revoking bans on ben Gvir etc. How can you not see that? Especially the Gaza plan is finally a major break trough. No other president had the guts to stand up to the arabs and say we aren’t falling for your charades and games anymore. Gaza is a big cult with 2M terrorists. Trump did that. Thats a huge gain for Israel. We also have his first term to go by and reflect his record on israel.To be clear, I am totally anti Trump on nearly every other issue aside for maybe his transgender fight. When it comes to immigration, Musk, fiscal policy, his crazy Tarriffs or even just the character and type of person him and his ilk are, its revulsive That’s not how a MAGA kool-aid drinker thinks, But to.deny ow good he is for Israel even compared to Biden-Blinken (who were pretty close to second to best) is just completely dishonest.
@Menachem Shmei
To the contrary, Lebanon was pretty quiet till Israel went in now. Nebach a few were nifter now but not too many . Of course every yid is a world. Had we stayed in 2006 a lot of soilders would have died . That’s wasn’t a Great War. But now in 2024 was very successful. It shows that while they rearm so did we. And we outsmarted them. Some times you need a break and Lebanon is a prefect example to prove my point. We can’t wait 18 years now but with a few months break we may be able to do more and outsmart them. Ww2 is a bad example Bec there Hitler was advancing and had to be stopped. Hamas isn’t advancing ground@Baruch D
I am from the few people that liked the Biden deal too. I am even thankful for all Biden has done . But there is a difference. The same deal was under Biden but under Trump there is a no nonsense clause. Trump ain’t falling for the peaceful Palestinian suffering charade . He knows they are all terrorists. Trump is also willing to send the heaviest weapons with no restrictions. Those things matter@Baruch D
Fair point except what trump made Israel accept was good for israel.All the frum charedi parties supported the deal. This is the torah way. And here is why;
1) Hostages got let put. We saved lives.
2) We were losing 5 soilders on average prior to the ceasefire. The fighting was getting stale and dangerous.
3) We were at an inflection point. The infrastructure was almost all destroyed and the remaining terrorist’s were in tunnels or disguised as civilians. What more did we have to gain by staying?
4) The wrold was ganging up against us all yelling.So whats the gain now?
1) Hostages are free
2) We had the time to rethink strategy and plan for reentry of war in a kore strategic fashion.
3) Similarly the Hamas heads came out of their caves. I am sure we are using intellgince now to track who is who, how to get them and the remaining command centers.
4) The world got to see the undeniable barbarsim of Hamas. Most people feel eww after the parades and bibas Saga. hamas has less sympathy now.Most of all, Trump anouncing his Gaza plan and level setting with the world finally puts on end to the Hamas charade of attack, rebuild and attack again. The idea that their people are innocent is gone. Bascially the world has to now face the fact that gaza is one big fat cult promoting terror and to rebuild a cult again is useless. they can yell trump is crazy but they know the truth. This is very vital for israel. of course so are the new weapons Trump sent.
And so to say Trump isn’t beyond amazing for Israel is ludicrious. of coue its byad hashem and he sends the messanger and yehusha just look achshverosh saved us from Haman (switch haman and Hamas and you get “NS” or nes!)
LOL once again you and your silly kanios hot headedness. We can go to the other forum to debate zionsim. Thats not for here. The point is lamsa right now the arabs want to kill us. If we gave up the state tommorow believe me they’d come after you so viscously. Its not safe to hand over the keys to blood thirsty monsters. So practically speaking right now, we need Trump to save lives. And if we need to gibe him a piece of real estate so be it. You should be on my team on this one. This isn’t a zionist debate anymore.
We don’t sav Jewish lives by fighting back? Are you for real? You got crazier by the day? Should we hand out candy to Hamas??? POarctcilly speaking what would you do now? Even Satmar wouldn’t say to give back the keys now. You are either a radical NK or just drank too much lachaims? Are purimdik already? You really think if we give it all back Hamas will be nice to us??????
Of course jews are at danger but not the level that everyone should get up and leave EY. There are differnet levels and this is a pretty serious level. Rabbonim didn’t say everyone should pick up and leave Europe after its mnay programs and murders either. You don’t necessarily say to leave. (In fact your Reba told people not to leave during the holcaust nor run away because that would have meant cooperating with zionsists oy vey. Even though R michoel ber zl begged him to. of cours ehe himslef did end up on kastner. But thats a side point)
The “whole jeiwsh world”? I walk in shuls all over Lakewood BP Monsey and they say tehlim that Israel succeed (Not necessarily the chaylim but overall everyone be safe) Noone is praying for thier downfall other than a few nuts in torah vyirah. Go put on your plasteinains kerchif and dance with Weiss YMS yelling free Palestine.
@yankel berel
I stand corrected half way. They weren’t called “agudah”. Agudah was indeed founded to be against religous zionists. However, before the fight they stood united and worked together as one “party”.Before the ideological split became more pronounced, Agudath HaRabbonim and Mizrachi were initially part of a broader Orthodox Jewish political coalition in Eastern Europe. While it was not called “Agudah” at first, there was an early period where Orthodox leaders from different ideological backgrounds cooperated in communal and political matters.
And my point remains that you can’t call mizrachi the same level as reform jew and other secular forces or the rabbonim would have never worked together
@Always_Ask_Questions
Firstly yes R kook is relevant. The point is that even if one tzadik said that Zionism has a source in our Torah, no one can get up and say that no one ever held of Zionism and that’s it’s Hersey. The point is exactly that. It’s ok to say we can’t pasken like a minority but you can’t call it 100% Heretic. That’s the point . Hakatan thinks he knows more than R kook or that the rebbe of R elyshav and R shloma zalman doesn’t count.Re your next question, what do I mean by they all supported Zionism? Very simple . They all supported the idea that Jews should have its own state in Palestine run by Jews. Did they support secularism ? No . That’s where it gets tricky. At the end of the day they opposed the fact that Ben gurion was such a rasha as well. And soon I’ll get to what changed.
The Ashkenazim joined the govt way before R shach . The imeri emes sent R itcha Meir levin to the kneeset. R shach came into the picture after Beagin won. Began was a good Jew who was not out to shmad the frum. (Aside for the fact that he refused to shoot at the rasha ben gurion who tried to kill him)Began supported the Olim hatorah which then drew R shach in. In essence the askneazim always were part of the Knesset. The difference was if they can take minister portfolios. That only the sefardim allowed.
@ HaKatan
You keep on hocking that I need a “written teshuva” . You made that up. I do not need that. Mesora is enough. You don’t get to make up the rules.Yes R kook is relevant. You can say 100 times he is not and I will say he is. Again you don’t get to decide that.
@HaKatan
By the way till the machlokos R chaim ozer and Rubenstein the mizrachi was part of the agudah party. They didn’t see zionism as heresy even if they disagreed. It wasn’t until the chaftez chaim protested due to the lack of respect shown to r chaim Ozer in vilna, that the mizrachi split. (That was only the last 20 years of before the war) Again not “all gedolim” were against zionsimTo the first half of your question, not all gedolim held that zionsim is evil. Yes R Elchonan zl did as did Briska rav, minchas eluzar, chbad and belz. But others held it was al pi torah. R Kook was held in high esteem by many Alexander leaned towards Zionism too. Eevn the Imeri emes was only against the secular nature of it. in 1937, the Agudah proclaimed that they can go along with a jewish state providing it upholds torah values. Yes R Elchanon walked out on agudah because of that but that was Agudah’s pask. If your question is how can they go against all gedolim without a sefer written to disprove them? That’s not a requirement. lastly they were gedolim in their own right.
(There is even a “zug” they say over from r amrom Blau when asked how can he attend the Boyna zl levaya if rizyhin is such tzionim? R Amram replied for Rizhyin, Boyan was a kanoi!)
To your second point, “do they still hold that way”? Well this is where we almost agree. They never took back their shitah that jews having a statehood is a good thing and a haschlata degulah. But at the end of the day, they are opposed to secular forces trying to shmad jews. Thats a separate discussion and distinction that i have been trying to tell you. They are against the govt for being secular and therefore also hold its bad to modernize charedim. It doesn’t mean that us having a country and homeland is bad. That part never changed. And by the way, is ay even the Satmar reba zya wouldn’;t hold the way he held if the medina was run by charedim not looking to shamd us. Yes his sefer is up for interpretation too. I know he makes it clear the idea of a state is trief even without the shamd. But I think that’s just to strengthen the wall he is trying to build vs him really thinking that.
@HaKatan
You don’t get to decide whats patehtic and whats not. You don’t get to decide who is relevant and who isn’t.For the hundredth time, rizyhin isn’t a story. its a psak with strong mesora
No we don’t need a sefer.
Yes R Kook And EHBS is relavnt.Judiasm doesn’t follow your made up rules.
And if he does ask for something? This is a life and death. if it costs money or land to save Israel but Hamas gets elimnated is it not worth it?? I don’t get your logic. This is an emergency and Hamas must be eliminated or jews may cvs die and suffer. This isn’t just a war to gain some advantages. its a fight for our lives.
Furthermore, Trump is reaping plenty of goodies from having Israel’s back. He gets billions and billions from Pro Israel supporters like Adelson. This beside for the fact that I think he genuinly likes Israel and Jared is jewish. The evangelicals are also pro israel. And so from a transactional aspect, Trump doesn’t reap any benefit from supporting Ukraine but he does reap alot from supporting Israel. And so i don’t see him demanding anything crazy like that
P.S. trump is a crazy man and I can see why you people despise him. I don’t like him either. But you need to detach yourself from any bias and focus on the truth and obvious facts in front of you. Israel is in need of a liver transplant now. its an emergency. Could there be reprecussions later that the body rejects? Maybe . But now isn’t the time to worry about that
@ HaKatan
It’s not an interpretation of a story . Stop
Lying. It’s facts and mesora. Every rizyna chusid knows that they all held of Zionism. It’s not a story. Stop saying the same untruths over and over again. FYI you do know what Torah vodaath is named after rabbi rines mizrachi yeshiva in Europe ! lol! Zionism has strong roots in our Torah with Mesorah1) you wrote “Unlike private employers, they take religious accommodation seriously” . I have worked at quite a few corporations. They are over catious about every religous accommodation possible too. In fact to the point that its almost embarrassing when they make an issue about kosher food bending themselves over 5 times more than they need to.
2) “Cuts to the IRS and Social Security mean refund checks will be late coming,” I just filed my taxes and got a refund check quicker than ever within two days. I think some of this is copy and paste talking points but just not tge reality. its probably true that if you want to speak to someone at the IRS, good luck now. But simple e-files which are the majority are fine.
3) To the big concern The fate of the jews. Yes it could invoke the WOKE caucus and that is a possibility But firstly, right now it seems to have weakned them. In the last MAGA wave a few of them lost. Many more are now scared to go too left because of the backlash. So your argument is surely a concern but it doesn’t seem to be the case. Moreover and most importantly, this isn’t normal times rather its a pivotal time for Israel and its safety. This war and its outcome can decide its fate for many years to come. Its a time of emergency now. That means we need to worry about the present moment. Moderates who try to appease both sides even when pro Israel (Like Biden who was an ohev ysireol) leave speace for Hamas to flourish. We need a strong man like Trump who isn’t sacred to tell the arab world the way it is and set the tone. The world has to know that the Gaza resioltuions starts with the fact that Gaza is one big terror cult. You can’t reason with a cult like Jonestown (or lev Tahor).. You also can’t defeat a cult of 2M people who will die to their deaths. Any rebuilding without breaking up that cult just strengthens the cult leaders. It doesn’t matter if its Hamas or some other name as its front. Its still one big cult. It needs to be busted. The Trump plan of relocating them is radical but it brings out a very clear point to the world. You need deradicalize those crazies. And this is very very crucial for the world to hear. By the USA havi9ng Bibi back it ensures Hamas never rebuilds to its glory. This is a matter of life and death. Now is not the time to worry about the long future. its like rushing a patient in for risky emergency surgery to save his/her life. the furtre just becomes so irrleavnt.. The focus needs to be on the present.@HaKatan
They only fail because you decided they don’t count. Yes its what Satmar did too. Anyone who disagreed doesn’t count and isn’t charedi. Thats not how our torah works. You don’t get to make up who counts and who doesn’t and we won’t get intimated by bullies. So to be clear, both R Kook and the Stmar reba counts. So does Eim habonim simcha. Stories that are rooted in clear facts count too. Zionism accoding to many is al pi torah.Here are 5 reasons why one need respond to vyoel Moshe
1) it’s not a Halacha as in Shabbos or gitten. It’s a prohibition based on aggadata which makes irs hashkafa.
2) Only those who banned it had to write a Sefer. That’s because you can’t do action to prove it’s prohibited. But those who feel it’s allowed and al pi Torah, could just do actions that prove it
Note the next 3 are important points
3) The Satmar Reba in his fire for purity created an environment that made it impossible physically to write a Sefer or debate him. It isn’t my place to knock such a holy Jew and it may have been his chasdim, but it was nearly impossible to even try. Ask klausenberg. So this idea why didn’t anyone dispute him is a silly argument. Because it was impossible to dispute him.
4) by the time the Sefer came out, it was really a history debate. It was after 1948 and the state was a done deal. There really was no longer a question whether we should support a state rather it’s if we should cooperate. So why debate history?
5) The secular nature of the state and the rasha Ben gurion yms shmad and evilness anyhow provided a reason to
Oppose the state anyhow. And so at that point would it matter anymore if Zionism is evil. Secularism and especially when it out to shmad the frum is for sure evil. Even Rizhyin agrees to that . And so so why debate the issue if at the end of the day we agree on opposing it for whatever reason.
Here is where #5 makes a difference. What about post Menachim Begaon when the govt started being much more charedi friendly? By then it was the very end of the Reba Zya lifeJust to be clear stories can be subject to interpretation just like sefarim can be. But when the story happened in public and there is no debate what the intention was then it’s different story (pun intended) and not subject for interpretation. So when a holy Reba fers tisch for Yom hatzmut, that’s what he did . He did that in public and was clear why and when he was doing it. What’s there to interpret? Furthermore, it wasn’t the only time he did that kind of thing. Over and over again across multiple Reba’s they declared Zionism is the Torah way. It’s mesora and psak and not just a story.
@HaKatan
Nope they aren’t just stories they are psakim. And repeated over and over again. It’s mesora
I asked a rizyna einkel what they do with the Satmar Reba and they told me there are answers.
The Satmar Reba was only hashkafa. Just because I tell me people what you can’t do, doesn’t make that Halacha . That’s not enough to be called Halacha .
Stories that occur over and over again and in front of 100s of people are not subjective at all. You made that up. You don’t get to make up your rules. I think a black and white Sefer is more subjective . You don’t need so face people when you write it . And it always up for interpretation. You make things up. Stories are great proof
R kook and Eim haonim count just as much as the Satmar Reba who was not accepted by many and controversial. You have the nerve to make up what counts and what’s subjective. You don’t get to make up the rules.
Zionism is Torah dikIt’s almost Shabbos but one more note. When the Satmar Reba wrote his sefer the issue was kind of not nogai for many charedim anyhow. In other words the state was here to stay. What’s the point in debating anymore if we should have created a state or not. It’s a done deal. Now there is a new issue, how to deal with its secular influence and shmad which we all hold is totally against our Torah. And so why write a Sefer to debate the Reba on history
@kofier BIkur
To the contrary it’s the other way. In charedi circles brisk and Satmar dominated the system to the point where history of anyone else who disagreed was wipped out.Mr somejewiknow makes his assertion based around Satmar Reba. But part of the reason why they aren’t any pre Charedim who openly disagree is because the Reba in his zealousness to eridacte secularism made it so impossible to debate him. If you did debate him you were a tzyuni and not charedish anymore. So this whole litmus test is insane.
Seeing how other rabbonim and tzadkim acted is enough. Mesorah is Torah. This narrow litfak look that only when it’s in a sefer does it count is very narrow
@somejewiknow
Its interesting how you feel the need to start a new thread after being overwhelming challenged by so many. But once again I will not stand here and let you make these broad biased untrue statements. I will also continue to say that you don’t get to make the rules or decide who is a gadol, what is halcaha or how a gadol needs to respond to the question. nor if you need a gadol or a tzadik is enough.“As outlined in Shulcha Aroch, a “Gadol” is someone who is greater in expertise and/or influence (students). A “Gadol Hador” would be someone who is the top-tier in his generation as per that measure. Again, this is not me, this is Shulchan Aruch.” The fist half of this tsatement is true. The seocnd half you made up once again. it doesn’t say that gadol is “top tier” in his genertaion. Thats your own made up stuff
Now for the record, there were meaningful resposnes to Vyaol moshe. But you discredit them. Only yours count. Furthermore, there were mnay more reponses, however, due to the nature of Satmar those responses were silenced. i know of warehouses burned down by the mafia. To be clear the reba zya was a very holy man but the times were different. He was fighting all kinds of secular movements both before and then the rebuilding after the war. In his overzealousness to ensure purity in its highest form with no compromises he naturally and via chasdim silenced those that disagree. The enovoirnement built to challenge Satmar made it very difficult. Just ask Kluasneberg and they will tell you. So your goal post that one needs to respond to Vyoal moshe is an unrealistic ask. It was nearly impossible to respond and peoples hands were tied. Its also clear that Vyoel moshe was wirtten with emotions too. Sure it has sources but what you chose as a source vs what you leave out etc. Its not void of emotions.
The above paragraph went with the assumption that one needs to respond to Vyaol Moshe. But here is the truth,
1) Its hashkafa and not Halcha.
2) One need not respond to a hashkafa question.
3) A response need not be in a sefer and need not be with deep torah sources if the person is a gadol. the resposne can be with actions and words like proclaiming in public that its an aschlata degula.
4) Stories itself aren’t the best proof. But if the story is from 100’s of eyewitnesses thats proof. Furthermore, when the same story happens over and over again thats proof. Yet even further, when its not just a story, but clear words said over from a gadol in public o0ver and over again thats like a “psak” even if not backed up. in deep torah. (A story is when a tzadik raises the Israeli flag or cleans the streets of Tel aviv with his hands bec of kedushas haretz. A psak is when a tzadik says this is hschata degula or when he ferrs tish lkvod Yom hatzmut, thats also such a strong story that its a psak with no other interpretation.)
5) Generally to be anti zionist, the only way to do that is to write a sefer and be vocal. how else can you be anti? But to be pro zionist one can do actions in support of that without writing a sefer. So the whole playing filed is different.
5) This leads us to the holy Rizyna rebas. They were the “top teir” in the generation, very knowledgeable in kol hatoprah keula and had 1000’s of chasdim. Ture leaders. They were almost all pro Zionist. Its not just a story here and there. They did actiosn and said psakim over and over again clearlly stating this. its hashkafa and no sefer is required.As I noted many more gedolim whether Rizhyin or others said over that they could have answered all of the Satmtar reba zya arguments and had torah sources to refute them. But they chose not to write a sefer. And i think most people can understand why. I also heard form tzadikim albeit I agree not a gadol that israel is a haschlata degula and segvri kelim. Should we believe somejewiknow or Mosheh wolfson zl?
P.S. I have no proof but I’d bet if the zionsists were not secular the Satmar reba zya wouldn’t have been so vocally against them. That was the real issue. Lastly, the way we know if a hashkafa is al pi torah is to look at future generations. Lets look at shabsi tzvi, reform and conservative movements. How did the movements grow? Are the future generations shomer torah umtizvas? Now look at other disputes such as chasdim vs misngadim. Now look at religous zionists. look how shomer torah umtizvas they are. in some ways more then Satmar.
@somejewiknow
I have to be careful how I say this as the holy Satmar reba zya was far beyond my reach. But Ill just say in his zealousness to project pure athetnic judaism in its most loftiest form he tended to silence anyone who disagreed. he built the first large chasdus after the war and it was used as kind of a pulpet. I know writers of sefarim that disputed vyole moshe whose warehouses got burned down in additon to other kind sof things that made it very difficult to argue with the holy reba while maintaining one’s own. And so your arguement that one needs to write a sefer to dispute it is kind of mute too because most people physically couldn’t without consequences..But to repeat my main point, you made up that this is halacha. A couple of Kol Koreas doesn’t make things halacha. its Hashkafa. Halcha are things clearly in shulchan aruch like halchos shabbos or gitten etc.
@somejewiknow
Nope nobody established it as a halcha. it was hashkafa. of course Stamar made it into a hard core halacha but so what. A kol Korah doesn’t make it halacha. Furthermore, the imeri emes never gave a kol kora against zionism. It was against secularism and cooperating with secularism. (particularly r Kook). Furthermore, he states R kook was a gadol. But again key point, a kol korai doesn’t make things halacha.@somejewiknow
Just to add, how do you know if a shita is real if its not in a sefer and just said over by numerous tzadikim many times and held as an ideology. The answer is we look at future generations and see are its descendants shmoer torah umitzvas@somejewiknow
The mistake you make is that you establish this is a Halacha question or that one needs to defend it in a Sefer. There is no requirement in our Torah that another gadol needs to defend his hashkafa or approach. It’s not a core of Judaism. Centuries ago sefarim didn’t even exist . But that’s beside the point. A tzadik need not defend himself. I think the rizyna Reba’s were just as much gedolim and knowledgeable. It’s not a story up for interpretation when it’s declared in public like that over and over again. (This is also beside the point that as it pertained to Zionism people were scared to debate the Satmar Reba or they’d pay the price. I am not saying it was him CVs but his chasdim were tough when you tried to dispute him. I know chashuva yidden who tried.)@ZSK
I prefer that other route. Philosophy and substance can always be debated and twisted against you. I like to stick to a narrow pointer first and then you can expand. For starters when you say that no true gadol ever held zionsim is al pi torah and then you find a whole chasdius of leaders clearly gedolim who said over and over and over that zionism is al pi torah, thats where a conversation needs to start. To say utter nonsense that its just stories or they didn’t publish sefarim nor refute it, doesn’t change facts. Every single rziyna chusid head and know this. Its an undisputable fact that they held of Zionism.
And then there are also tzadkim who i heard from in todays days that it was a haschlata degula. These tzadkim heard of the stamar reba, r Elchonan and Brisk. To say they don’t count or only work with emotions on such big tzadkim is borderline kefira. Who are you to know better?And so once we establish that zionsim is a machlokos then one can fairly argue that one side seems to have more soruces and be more grounded. But without knocking the other side or defaming jews.
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yankel berelBullies make up their own rules. Some Jew decided that it’s halcha and there is shulchan aruch. And if you argue you need to defend yourself in Sefer. And then he decides who is good and who is not. He makes things up.
Our Torah tells us with hashkafa you listen to your gadol and it need not be that he says a thesis from Gemara. If he is a tzadik and a gadol that’s enough. (Of course there are plenty of answers that they have but some Jew won’t accept that, so let’s keep it simple and say when a tzadik says a hashkafa thing that’s what it is)
@somejewiknow
Thats right and if a tzadik says it’s the Torah then that’s what it is . So if rizyhin says this is the Torah that supports Zionism then that’s what it is.
Re shluchan aruch, I told you this isn’t a halcha question. Jews follow the 4 chelekim of shulchan aruch for halcha and the 5h one for hashkafa. That’s what this is. Its source is from Gemara many that were quoted here. But a tzadik need not qoute the Gemara or defend it. If he is a tzadik that’s enough. And if ten all say like him that further enforces it.
Vyaol Moshe isn’t a world wide accepted hashkafa. That was the Satmar Reba opinion. He isn’t the shulchan aruch . Other tzadkim can argue and they can argue without answering him or proving . They can just say they argueSo to conclude no rizhin isn’t a made up Judaism . It’s Torah Judaism and Zionism is In our Torah.