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Qwerty, apparently some of my posts last night were posted after your new queries, so hopefully the answers will have come through above. I hope all your questions were answered, please lmk if not

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“ You along with the notzrim

A second coming……”

I hope you agree with the notzrim that we should await Moshiachs coming every day. Oh and believe in Moshiach to begin with. Otherwise…

What the notzrim believe or not doesn’t make something treif. It’s whether it’s Torah or not. The notzrim are wrong first and foremost because yoshke was a rasha and was never fit to be Moshiach to begin with.

Now I don’t think there’s any Torah sources for someone who started the job, and didn’t finish/ was killed or otherwise thwarted, to continue to consider them Moshiach.

The debate is if someone started and, at least to our eyes, passed away, but their work and personal influence continue, what then? There’s room to say (and the Rebbe actually wrote this about the Frierdiker Rebbe) that he could then have techias hameisim with the first round of Tzaddikim (40 years earlier than
the rest) and finish the job.

I listed earlier in the thread, there are classical sources (rashi, Medrash, Rabbeinu Bachya, The Chasam Sofer) that say that Moshiach will start the job and then disappear for a period of time, and that this disappearance is a test of Emuna.

YK which two you turns are you talking about? I do my best to be honest

Btw all of this has taken on practical importance to me in the past few days. Seeing the hostage release proposal, which is below stupid seeing that we have experience from the shalit deal (sinwar was released then), October 7, etc etc, and then looking around the government/ parties to see who would be best to pin hopes on leading Eretz Yisraels security so as to be a keili for Hashems miracles… And there’s literally no one.

The not frum crumble under the vast internal and international pressure (just look at this hostage plan from the best smooth talking diplomat).

The frum don’t really mix into Israel’s security, and mainly focus on frum matters such as the draft etc. Many of them were also told by their Rabbonim to support the withdrawal from gush katif, oslo etc. which we all see what it has led to.

We had a religious Zionist who also made incredible compromises of values.

There’s really no one. The only one who pushed the formulas which have been successful in EY, advised countless security members including Prime Ministers, effectively, and was proven right every time was The Rebbe. The Rebbe pushed for shleimus Haaretz (no giving away our land both because it’s ours and for security), shleimus haam (fought for Mihu Yehudi) and shleimus HaTorah (without the hundreds of shluchim in EY, the so called chilonim would not be as Mitzvah observant as they are- shabbos candles, kashrus, Yomim Tovim, not to mention baalei teshuvah etc etc etc)

He also advised on how to counter international pressure.

The Rebbe could also unite the people around him as he is well loved by many disparate populations there.

Really, all there is to do is to daven that the first stage of techias hameisim happen ASAP (Tzaddikim rise earlier), with Moshiach with them, and finish off the job he started.

Agav, Chabad cannot otherwise be part of the government, because the policy is to stay apolitical to be able to unite all yidden around Torah and Mitzvos. There have been one or two exceptions but this is the policy.

Just for everyone’s info: taking a public stance
comes with liability. My father was a Bochur during the gulf war, and the lubavitch bochurim would go to the rooftops during sirens and watch the scuds explode. The Rebbe promised…

Gutte voch from my locality. Gezh last names are usually known. If your last name is Johnson etc, you’re not. The whole lubavitch is connected so easy to find out who’s who.

Qwerty,

“I should have made my point more clearly. Hashem gave Moshe signs that had been passed down from Yaakov and Yosef. He brought those signs to the Gedolei Hador and they recognized him as the Goel Tzedek. The Rebbe made up signs that he gave to his followers. If the Rebbe actually had communication with Hashem then he should have gone yo the Gedolim to get Haskamah. It’s quite obvious why he didm’t choose that tack”

Qwerty, The Rebbe wasn’t trying to prove anything to anyone. As I said there’s a three stage process, and at this point, The Rebbe was only interested on letting those strongly connected to him, know. The stage of Moshiach Vadai hasn’t happened yet. The preliminary stage is about the people deciding who is a candidate, for Moshiach with their Rabbanim etc.

BH we are blessed with many towering Rabbanim- I have a personal connection with 6 myself. Rav Schochet who just passed away is irreplaceable: he had some level of ruach hakodesh himself- he was instructed by The Rebbe to give brochos on Shmini Atzeres every year- and in his brochos- would actually tell them how their year would go, and he would deal with things that others didn’t feel they had a handle on- say- people who were possessed but otherwise mentally well, and interpreting dreams. Obviously in addition to all the regular stuff.

Btw I can agree with qwerty on yedios in rashi:
The Rashi Sichos are quite spectacular:
The Rebbe lists up to 20 questions on a Rashi.

He gives the answers given by various mefarshei Rashi.

He shows how the answers given are inadequate.

Then he gives one answer which shows the Rashi in a completely different light. It also automatically answers all the up to 20 questions listed in the beginning.

Sometimes it stops there, but my favorite is when he adds יינה של תורה- the lesson for life that The Rebbe found within the same Rashi.

My favorite (I haven’t learned all of them) is the 6-8 page sicha on the seemingly very simple Rashi: ועשו לי: לי לשמי בית קדושה and the incredible horaah bachayim at the end.

Qwerty, the Rebbe did maintain geula will be for every Jew. Firstly, I don’t know if you’re aware, but even a nevuah that is negative can be nullified if people do teshuva etc. Secondly, the Rebbe certainly had sources of his own to prove the opposite. If you’re really interested, you can find the topic listed in the sefer שערי גאולה- ימות המשיח. It should just the relevant sources as well.

The Rebbe never said, the Gemara says this but I know better cvs.

Btw regarding a sign, during the period of the gulf war the Rebbe referenced the yalkut shimoni talking about how in the year Melech HaMoshiach will reveal himself, the Persian king will start up with the Aram king (the Rebbe saw this as the American king) and the Jews will be scurrying in fear (as they were in light of the threats of Saddam Hussein- which only recently did we see just how big they were), and Moshiach will tell them, humble ones, the time of your redemption has arrived!

The Rebbe told everyone who asked there’s nothing to fear and you should not leave EY, and indeed the war turned out the way the Rebbe said. And he was the only one saying so, publicly assuring everyone. Yeah that was one of the things I was talking about in 5751

Qwerty which Gemaras did he reflect in favor of his ideas? You mean in an area where Kabbala differs? Or a different Gemara shows it differently? Curious what you’re talking about

And like I said, that’s inaccurate. The person’s values are always first to those who care about gezh.
Then, some see it as a priority to marry those from similar backgrounds. Many don’t. Those who are more modern don’t really care at all. There are even marriages in Chabad where the shliach became mechutanim with the mekurav (I think the first was in Italy.) sholom Mordechai rubashkin is gezh- his aishes chayil is a bt. Choni milecki is a son of bts- he married gezh. These are well known names you may have heard but there are plenty plenty more. People would have a hard time marrying ffb if they are bt, which is completely understandable. But children of bts can go either way. Some families would prefer to marry gezh and some don’t care. As a child of bts I highly respect some gezh families, some who would consider children of bts and some who wouldn’t. These families are inclusive of bts in every way, and there is absolutely no difference or hierarchy in school, teaching positions etc, but they would prefer their kids marry similar background which I totally understand. A bt home cannot compare to a sincere gezh home that has been Chassidim for generations. Bts have their own maalos which gezh don’t, and some families are open to it and some not. In either case, preferring your child marry a similar family background is not shallow, considering there are authentic reasons behind it. And definitely not comparable to a guy putting physical attributes at the top of his list.

But other

Ctlawyer- you don’t have to worry about qwerty and Chabad too much. He davens in a Chabad shul and is an avid admirer of rabbi Zajac, a Chabad rabbi in California. He loves the Rebbes Torah too as well. Unfortunately, because he takes lashon hara about Chabad at face value, he’s chosen to believe some misinterpretations by outsiders of Chabad teachings.
Therefore he enjoys spending free time as a holy warrior against Chabad.

Of course if he really believed the drivel he writes against us, he wouldn’t have so many close personal associations with Chabad. I think he’s in it for the fun.

Qwerty feel free to correct on any of the above

I vote ctlawyers comment as the most sensible in this page, and Damoshes as the funniest. Further questions will be addressed at my next opportunity. Arso, you sure you can’t find a source for what you’re saying about the Maharal like the many you ask I bring? I saw online on a frum site, a contemporary book written ostensibly proving that the Zohar is no good. You can find many ridiculous things online.
There was a nigle source for the spark of Moshiach- I don’t remember offhand, but will be happy to try and locate it again. It was a mefaresh on parshas bilam

Arso, I wrote in my post that every Jews identity is really one with atzmus (realizing this and internalizing this is different for different people.)

In perek 42 of Tanya the Alter Rebbe explains about every Jew containing a spark of Moshe. I believe we’ve been through this. This doesn’t contradict- someone like a Rebbe- embodies Moshe more and regular people can t tap into it on their level. Same with Moshiach- there’s the one big Moshiach, and the spark of Moshiach in every yid

Arso, I’m glad that other groups are also aiming for the same levels. Beinoni is a description of a level and so is low level tzadik. No one in lubavitch aims to Crown themselves with these titles. That’s ridiculous- opposite of bitul etc.

I wish I could hear more of these aspirations in other groups. Personally I have met some really sincere ovdei Hashem in other groups. One I know of- but I can’t really read her so to speak. The other person I encountered seemed very ehrlich but I wouldn’t get into unnecessary discussion with the opposite gender in person.

Qwerty your latest posts are what you have decided did or did not happen in lubavitch over Lubavitcher Chassidim.
So there’s nothing to say…

Just for the sake of qwerty I’ll try to explain the Atzmus thing in simple terms. If you learn Tanya perek 6, it says that only something which is nullified/ batul, to Hashem can become included the category of kedusha. Chassidus teaches that Hashem Echad means that everything should realize that its true self and existence is from Hashem/ one with Hashem. The more batul and humble a person lives, the more kedusha they can channel. The Gemara also says that Hashem can’t a dwell with an arrogant person. Chassidus takes it further that there is no other existence other than Hashem (all of creation is Hashem’s speech which is one with Him from His perspective, so we just need to realize this and love this way.)

So, someone like a true Rebbe can even channel Atzmus- a person can sense this kedusha when they interact with the tzadik who has converted his yetzer hara to be another positive force (Dovid hamelech did this, and anyone who is a tzadik gamur of Tanya can too.) Really, the true existence of every yid is actually one with Hashem’s Essence, which is why we won’t have an identity crisis when Hashem is revealed by geula, whereas goyim will.

Obviously, a”z can’t come in the picture here, because if someone speaks from their own ego etc, they’re not channeling any kedusha in that moment. What’s more, they’re clearly not what Chabad would consider a Rebbe, Rosh Bnei Yisrael, because they still have unpolished yeshus/ yetzer hara to deal with.

Regarding bchezkas moshiach- some Lubavitcher Rabbanim hold that the chazaka was broken by Gimmel Tammuz. Others maintain that it so holds. Both have their sources. Additionally, before Gimmel Tammuz there was a psak din signed by also non lubavitch Rabbanim on the Rebbe being Moshiach. Here’s the kicker: it’s still active and there are activists visiting many different Rabbanim etc, going through the sources, and gathering signatures. I don’t think it’s available for the public, but I know it’s rabbi lipsh in EY who’s one of these activists, and I reached out myself about it at some point.

Litvishe fellow: by nisyonos, numbers weren’t a factor. Chet haegel only one Shevet came through completely from all of the men. The women all passed. We don’t decide what’s right based on numbers. We trust our Rebbe, a tremendous tzadik and Gaon etc, who was the final one in a glorious line of Chabad Rebbeim. W are not the only ones who hold of the Rebbe so- and this is well documented. If people don’t see the Rebbe that way, there’s nothing to discuss as we have no common ground here.

Litvishe fellow- the whole Torah world is not missing the boat. When the geula comes along with Moshiach’s full revelation, no Jew will be left behind. For now this is still an internal lubavitch thing, probably meant to show us that Moshiach is really coming in our time and motivate us further to reshape the world in the Rebbes vision. I’ve actually never brought this up to non Lubavitchers and very rarely Lubavitchers, but seeing that this if the favorite line of discussion in this forum I would advise all Lubavitchers to simply answer, “Yes. Any other questions?” In the future

And another friend married someone who is only half an inch taller. When asked if she was bothered, she said, she was surprised as she didn’t think it was something significant.

At the end of the day, the person we marry is a package deal, and will not be perfect. No one ideally skills feel they aren’t excited to marry the person they marry. It’s a matter of what’s priority

The formula we follow in Chabad is:

1) compatible Yiras shomayim/ values
2) hamshachas halev- attraction, which can be to personality, chemistry or looks. Basically more than feelings of basic ahavas Yisrael to the person
Which is why in many cases, it is silly to reject someone for attraction reasons based on a description or photo which doesn’t take into account charm and personality

Agreed. GDH, ideally, no one should feel they’ve settled for something less then. However, putting physical attributes at the top of the list is shallow. I know of marriages where one side either didn’t ask for a picture, and ended up finding his bigger sized wife attractive because of her chein or personality. I know of a woman who met a young man and found him unattractive but went out with him a few more times until values/ personality etc overrode her initial reaction and it didn’t bother her anymore. Both couples are bH married. If someone makes a shopping list of all preferences for physical attributes as the top thing on their list, that’s shallow. Hopefully they’ll meet someone likeminded and shallow that works for them, or they’ll miss many potential good matches

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You’d do well to read the rashi towards the end of last weeks parsha which spells out how one should relate to their Torah leaders…

Taanis 3a is discussing Eliezer where the primary importance was middos. The criticism was that he didn’t mention anything about her physical state (she could have been lame or blind.) If middos were put first and primary, and then looks included afterwards (ideas weight isn’t mentioned, let alone more superficial preferences), then this discussion wouldn’t be happening

Sorry if I could just come in. No Lubavitcher school starts a niggun when someone has a question. A niggun of a tzadik led by a tzadik can do that in exceptional situations. On the contrary Chabad means we engage with the mind.

Questions do come from a lack of clarity. That is why in nigle sources, which deal with clarifying good/ evil etc. there’s many more questions than in Nistar, which is only about achdus Hashem (no matters involving tumah etc).

In golus, we ask many questions. In geula, we will learn in a way of seeing- things will be much clearer.

However, if one does have a question, obviously ask, or, ain habayshon lameid. Asking is great!