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AAQ- there’s no new movement, there were two sides, and there’s still two sides. The difference is that- let’s say whether a family was meshichist or not came up in shidduchim back in the day, whereas now, my generation is just more mellow about it and let’s say I didn’t care which way my husband leaned because we all have the same foundation, and this is just one detail, and I would see on a date whether he was an extremist of any sort.

There’s also a generational issue of the ones who let’s say wouldn’t say the Rebbe is Moshiach were never taught the relevant Sichos in school until they were no longer impressionable and therefore they just don’t care. I had to fish for answers myself from what I was questioned by others to my teachers before I learned certain things.

BH though, my knowledge and my generations knowledge is not second hand. We can learn the Sichos and sources inside ourselves and see the videos ourselves.

Also, I’ve heard more than once from the older generation that The connection between my generation and the Rebbe is extraordinary and actually deeper than the ones who saw him. This is because we can’t be a chossid because it’s cool and just part of the atmosphere, we actually have to learn and internalize because there’s nothing cool to see. Also, The Rebbe have over so many treasures in his Torah and his Chassidim struggled just keeping up with it. There was always something new going on, especially in the later years. Whereas we were born into it, and have time to internalize all that which was given over in a measured, calm way.

Arso, no idea what you’re talking about. Here’s what it says in Hayom Yom introduction (and Beis HaRav
is well known):

הגאון מרנא ורבנא יהודה ליואי זצ”ל – מהר”ל מפראג – מגזע הגאונים המיוחסים לדוד
בן ישי.
א( בנו הר’ בצלאל. ב( בנו הר’ שמואל. ג( בנו הר’ יהודה ליב. ד( בנו הר’ משה. ה( בנו הר’ שניאור זלמן. ו( בנו הר’ ברוך. ז( בנו הוד כ”ק אדמו”ר הר’ שניאור זלמן.
(שלשלת היחס, הקדמת ‘היום יום’)
The Rebbe is Ben achar Ben to the Maharal, who was known as having descended from Malchus Beis Dovid.

AAQ:

“ Did you see this personally? At that time – after the stroke – a choshuve local Rav publicly said that he called Rebbe’s secretariate and asked them how he can be helpful, and they asked him to state publicly that all the meshugas is NOT coming from them – and that is what he told us.”

Yeah this is exactly the issue which we need to overcome to move forward (and ties back to what happened to 770.) The Rebbe instructed the Chassidim to work in a manner of אורות דתוהו בכלים דתיקון and it seemed that after Gimmel Tammuz (and I guess it started before) there became two groups: people were either running with yellow flags and not bothering to see how others received it (אורות דתהו) or only caring to
look normal, and therefore deny the whole Rebbe Moshiach business (כלים דתיקון).

At first it was fiery conflict unfortunately but understandably. My generation couldn’t care for the conflict, but the elder generation is in charge of 770, and that’s why there’sa vacuum of leadership, because 770 belongs to both ultimately so no one is really in charge.

If you look up L”S 11, p11, in the footnotes, The Rebbe says that when there will be achdus in the area of speaking about Moshiach, that will draw down Moshiach’s revelation. Peace in the world is dependent on peace within yidden. Peace doesn’t mean you all think the same but rather it’s like the idea of Echad (which holds space for yichuda Ilaah- Hashem’s perspective of no other existence at all, and Yichuda Tataah- our subjugation of our sense of existence to Hashem- that’s my edit).

So really the Hamas tunnels and 770 tunnels may very well be connected… peace and achdus is the call of the hour

Arso,
1) no one said that bracha, and see what I said about bar kochba

2) that’s not in the Rambam s criteria of defining bchezkas Moshiach

3) did you look up all the sources?

Just to say, it’s kind of ironic, but I have frum people I’ve become friends with through mivtzoim- (they tell me who the local Jews are and I approach them, as they don’t have the training and education- as they say), and they help me in other ways as well. I’ve never, as an adult, had anyone ask me about The Rebbe as Moshiach, and I don’t bring it up either. Just because it’s kind of last on the list. Ie showing/ educating frum people the worth and infinite value of another yid, even if they’re not frum etc, the infinite value of a Mitzvah, and the importance of living with the awareness that Moshiach can come at any time, and the urgency to speed geula etc, that’s where my focus is. These are basics. We haven’t gotten past these conversations for now, and that’s ok. I really admire these Yidden for who they are and the light they spread. Just funny how this is always the first thing pressed here, when in real life, I wish someone would be that far along with caring about Moshiach and Geula that they’d feel comfortable to ask this in a serious way.

Actually maybe north virginia.

Sure Chabad would be happy to help! You can find places and numbers under Chabad dot org, more tools, Chabad locater.

Ps. It’s motzei shabbos in my locality

Gutte voch from my locality.

Arso, didn’t add a crucial point to number one: the example the Rambam gives as a candidate to be Moshiach was Ben koziba. He wasn’ta king anointed etc, but rather people gathered around him and overtired his instructions.

Gadolhadofi- sure, I believe it, 30 years later (sorry I thought it was clear.) sometimes it takes 40 years for people to understand things (just learned any that in reference to the geula in this weeks Dvar Malchus, BH, I’m not 40 yet but I’m past that part.

Ps the Rashi in Daniel says Moshiach will be concealed over 40 years after his initial revelation

Gadol HaDofi:

Good morning it’s day 41. Logically, Moshe Rabbeinu is wrong. He said he would come back but the facts on the ground say otherwise. Oh, look at that! There’s a funeral going on in the heavens. There’s Moshe’s body in a casket! What should we do now?

What should we do now? Continue believing in Moshe’s words, and having bitachon that Hashem wrong and hasn’t abandoned us.

The Satan got directly involved by the chet etz hadaas, and by Matan Torah. Numerous sources indicate that there will be a similar Emuna test with the final geula.

When I looked into it (partly due to this forum) I found this:

און דער מינוי פון דוד מלכא משיחא איז דאך שוין געווען, כמ”ש “מצאתי דוד עבדי בשמן
קדשי משחתיו”. עס דארף נאר זיין קבלת מלכותו ע”י העם און די התקשרות צווישן דעם מלך מיט דעם עם בשלימות הגילוי – בגאולה האמיתית והשלימה.
)ש”פ משפטים תנש”א, ספר השיחות ח”א עמ’ 330(

So Moshiach has already been anointed, and הגיע זמן גאולתכם

So I choose to be a maamin. Truthfully, it’s not that hard as I see the Rebbes influence constantly, both in my life and others. There’sa weekly story with post Gimmel Tammuz stories printed in the children’s weekly magazine, hachayol. I have my own stories, but the main influence is the Rebbe’s teachings which are so relevant more than ever, and contain enough strength and light to guide us to the final geula, so that even now, we have אור במושבותם.

Those *sources. That should make more sense. I posted them all in a post. Ask the mods where it’s gone

Just to bring geula and give credit were due: the sources I posted for the Rambams word יכוף- compel, I’d used in relation to convincing with words- those spaces I didn’t compile. I asked a Rav once the question and got the list from him. Also the Rav said that the contemporary word for convince, ישכנע, isn’t a Lashon Kodesh word.

Here’s what I’m referring to: I remember learning a piece from the reshimos (The Rebbes learning diary from before he became Rebbe) where The Rebbe asked why it’s necessary to await Moshiach’s coming every day, if Eliyahu HaNavi will precede him by three days. So logically, if Eliyahu hasn’t come yet, how can I expect Moshiach to come today?

The answer is that there’s three stages in Moshiach’s revelation: (trying to remember the exact lashon by heart, because Rabbeinu Bachya says similar so I’ll include both versions of the wording):
1. His first revelation/ to the ones that know him
2. Fighting the wars of Hashem
3. His revelation to everyone

And Eliyahu haNavi can come before any point in those stages, so we need to be prepared for Moshiach, even without.

So everyone can be happy now. For everyone (outside Lubavitch) it will be obvious when Moshiach is here, so you don’t have to keep fighting- you can just wait til stage 3.

For other sources on the stages, see Rabbeinu bachya who explains that כימי צאתך מארץ מצרים אראנו נפלאות just like Moshe revealed himself, and then the slavery
intensified just as Moshe Rabbeinu disappeared again, and then he came again and did the makkos, so too by the final geula this will happen and it will be a test of Emuna.

Also see the Rashi on Daniel אשרי המחכה.

There may have been other sources listed on the Reshima (or not as it wasn’t for publication) but I haven’t had the pleasure of seeing it in the original

AAQ

“So turns out , most of us here were Chassidim to begin with.”

You’re a chossid if you accept the Rebbe as your own, but yah The Rebbe wanted every Jew to be a shliach in his own way.

“So it seems that L Rebbe decided that he educated his students enough to be self-responsible.”

Sort of. More like the Rebbe is inspiring and guiding but more backstage instead of taking front and Center stage. The advantage is that people actually internalize the Rebbes message and teachings and make it their own instead of just doing things automatically because The Rebbe said so, without it being their own

Nice discussion. The main question to address is what are people uncomfortable about? Is it Ignorance on why we do it? An excuse to tease Chabad for being different? Personal uncomfortability with displaying Yiddishkeit in Public (like that helped in the Holocaust)? And anyway- the police will respond if there’s any hate attacks etc and people know that so….

Once you understand the questioner, you can answer better. But that is hard to do on the internet where you don’t see the full person and can’t have a real conversation through. So… keep having fun? And if you feel you aren’t being addressed- find someone
Chabad in person- we’re not shy:)

Bsd
Coming into Yom Kippur here’s some thoughts:

We have a relationship with Hashem like a boss and worker. If the worker messes up, his pay can fairly be deducted. If he messes up too much, he gets fired.

So our brochos in our new year are dependent on our work we do for Hashem with Torah and Mitzvos.

But there’s a deeper dimension. Hashem is our Father too. So if a worker messes up, he gets fired. But if the boss is his father, he can express sincere remorse and intention on changing, and the father will gladly give him a new chance.

A Father wants to help his child and always cares for him.

On Yom Kippur, עיצומו של יום מכפר. When we tap into (through teshuva) the essence of the day, the holiest day of the year, which reveals within us how we are one with Hashem’s Essence, everything else external automatically falls away. This is the gift of the day where we naturally feel one with Hashem. Let’s embrace it and then bring it down to fuel the rest of the year with that memory and awareness.

Because that’s where it counts.

גמר חתימה טובה

Just so you know though, I learn many other sefarim through Chassidus. It quotes from all over Torah. I’ve probably learned pieces of sefarim that you haven’t:)

Square root- its part of the story told on yud Tes Kislev- I don’t know the source in the books offhand

Yes definitely important to have a balance. I’m telling you- Hashem loves me. I opened my derech Mitzvosecha today and pretty much the whole page was quoting the Maharal.

I guess some of the hesitancy on learning outside hashkofa sefarim on my own, is that unless I feel I have my own derech down pat (which looks impossible until Moshiach’s coming because there’s always deeper concepts referenced everywhere you learn within Chassidus Chabad, and I can’t even look all that up), I might misapply something learned outside.

For example, The Rambam writes that Hashem’s essence is sechel (later in life the Rambam learned nistar and apparently said he would have written some things differently if he had known.) the Maharal says that he’s bang on wrong- as Hashem is way beyond any description.

The Alter Rebbe clarifies that the Rambams description applies from Atzilus and below but not above that.

So imagine I’d learn the Rambam and mistakenly think that Hashem is just the ultimate Wise one!

I guess this would be similar to a litvak who has no background in Chassidus opening a sicha to the page where The Rebbe wrote that a Rebbe is Atzmus Umehus etc. With his non knowledge of Chassidus, he would very likely take it the wrong way.

That’s why I like learning everything from within Chassidus because there’s no misapplications then. And of course because I find everything I need in Avodas Hashem within. Otherwise- I’d keep searching in the sea of Torah:)

Emunas1-
R Aharon is not my derech in Avodas Hashem but iyH when Moshiach comes (ASAP) and I’ll be able to devote all my work time to learning Torah (will I need to teach then as well, or everyone will learn things directly from moshiach (I know we will) without needing an additional teacher? Actually I know we will need additional Yoatzim so maybe teaching will still be a thing.

Regardless, iyH then, I’ll have more time to devote to learn everything in Torah without forgetting it etc. (ASAP amen.)

Until then, there’s recently been a project started to learn all the Likutei Sichos over 8 years. And that’s just likkutei sichos, not Toras Menachem, Sefer Hasichos, Sefer HaMaamarim etc. And all that’s just The Rebbes Torah!!

And there’s so many Rebbeim before that I need to learn things in depth because The Rebbe doesnt elaborate fully in the sichos- I need to look up footnotes. And The Alter Rebbe is the source of Chassidus Chabad, everything links to him ultimately, and were encouraged to learn his maamarim, so basically, practically I don’t have time for sefarim that are not my derech, as I have a wealth to learn from and I get what I need for my Avodas Hashem. In principle though I have no issue studying other sefarim in depth if I had the time. I recently saw that the Maharal wrote a seder on geula. I’d love to learn it too. On my bucket list if I finish and apply what I have on geula already.

I really would like to learn more Halacha in a regular basis- but I’m glad I started learning Rambam. In the footnotes it says what applies today or not, and regardless it’s good to have a background to know where a shaila may come in (as well as uniting with others).

But yah. Hilchos shabbos is high on my priority list to review in depth (grey set) BH we have so much to choose from!!!

Fair enough qwerty. Arso maybe you didn’t know the Tanya was printed for the first time on chof Kislev so that’s significant too? And it’s part of Yat Kislev because he was only fully freed then, similar to yud gimmel Tammuz for the Frierdiker Rebbe.