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True I forgot about the eved knaani. But that is not at all like the American slavery. For example if you knocked out a tooth, he would go free. He had to rest on shabbos with you etc.
The Torah isn’t pro slavery or it wouldn’t be a curse.
Did you notice that every major Jewish event in history ended with 8? Matan Torah 2448. Entering EY 2488
Churban 3338. How bout moshiach 5778.I actually came across an article written 20 years ago saying how moshiach had to come 5778 and there were a bunch of angry comments that we don’t need to wait till then.
Something based on numbers -I’m not mathematical so didn’t quite get it.
I thought he lost
What about Rav Samuel Auerbach? Isn’t he also big in the litvishe world? And a peer to Rav Shteinman (Curious, I’m a bit clueless here)
Wtp+1 also they found in the Cairo geniza a drawing of the Rambam of the Menorah and it is diagonal
Refuah sheleima! Try getting more sleep!!! Also make green tea and put in fresh garlic lemon juice and ginger . Your can add honey. Doesn’t taste amazing but good for under the weather stuff. And if you’re throwing up try just living in BRITAIN Bananas rice apples toast. Less likely to be thrown up. Good luck!!
@chochom +1 plus I find the fact that there is even such a question surprising. For me, I go about my day listening out for the shofar, and looking at world events there’s a good chance moshiach will come this year! Gotta live with the times, people!
I’m understanding a whole new level to Shir hamaalos hayinu kcholmim. It seems there are some who will wake up the the reality that’s been building up for awhile only once moshiach is already here. As trump would say, sad.
We need to chap arein as many mitzvos as possible now because the game is almost up! And then we won’t have the chance to make the same impact anymore…
Yeah that would def make sense
@redleg cvs! Yaakov a bonus, bichir haavos, did not do something wrong!! There are answers how it goes with the lav against marrying two sisters but he did something right, not wrong.
Another answer is that mitzvos were optional Hiddurim which the avos of course kept unless they conflicted with sheva mitzvos bnei noach which was incumbent on them at the time. Of course this changed with matan Torah.
He married them because he otherwise would have broken 1 of the 7. I remember it being that he had promised Rachel he would Mary her although can’t remember how that was one i of the seven right now…. Unless I’m mixing things up.
Actually I think it was that it is mutar for a Ben noach to marry two sisters from different mothers, and since he had promised to marry Rachel, he couldn’t break his word for the sake of a chumra
Thanks 🙂 is there a word counter?
What I meant was yes as in they cannot commit adultery, as Joseph said. But no, as far as being two halves of one neshama neshama reconnecting – like a Jewish marriage
It depends on how you define marriage.
Lol maybe I will open a thread. But not now. Got go to a farbrengen 🙂
Lol daas yochid, is an amazing day :):)
@gaon
Yeah I’ve been monitoring. Thanks for the mention. I had half a mind to open a thread on the significance of the embassy announcement on yud tes Kislev but I figured you can all use a break from me now after that long thread 😉@slominer *7000, anyhow see my comment above
Also it’s worldwide so there is nowhere to run tu. I think if you want to move to the safest place, move to eretz Yisrael, were there is an extra measure of hashgocha protis. “Eretz asher einei Hashem Elokecha ba mereishis hashana ad acharis shana.”
In the past we knew this posuk but it seemed a bit incongruous with reality because we always hear of terrorist attacks. But now we see clearly how so many plots fail over there, abs how cvs, even when it is successful, they usually only manage to wound people, abs if cvs more than that, it is very few people. Contrast that with the rest of the world where one attack kills dozens of people.
I was thinking along these lines several years ago. If I wasnt on shlichus I would do the above myself
There is a posuk in tehillim, kapitl tzaddik, “ki elef shonim beiynecha kyom…”
Based on this, I think it is kabbola but may be a medrash that learn that just as Hashem created the world in six days with the seventh being shabbos, so too the world. Every day corresponds to a thousand years. The last millennium is moshiach which is shabbos.
But we don’t take Shabbos in at shkiah exactly, we light beforehand. So moshiach must arrive before then, and as noted we are currently erev shabbos after chatzos if you do the Mah.
As far as the possibility of another world: our chachomim in the gemara tell us that after this last millennium of 7000, no one knows what will be.
So whoever got scared, no worries till the year 7000, and in general no need to fear, as “ain ra yored min hashomayim” abs “Teva Hatov lhaitiv” so no matter what it is, it will be in our best interest
@nonpolitical
I have enjoyed your posts and questions- you have been unbiased and open to understanding. I think your last post of the three part post, was addressed by my posts last night.
The middle one I agreed with immediately.
Now the first one.
“1. The rebuilding of Yeshivos, Baitai Chinuch, and Bais Yaacov’s is no less an expression of Avavas Yisroel for every Yid then sending Shluchim.”
Agreed.
” It was (and is) and disagreement regarding what you is the best meathod of Harbatzas Torah.”
Not really. Both are necessary. Many leaders of klal yisroel focused on a specific segment of klal yisroel and engaged in one or the other.The Rebbe, as Nossi hador, was responsible for the wellbeing of every Jew, so engaged in both our whatever was necessary.
“2.Demanding Halachic proofs against Mashichist beliefs is besides the point. If you make an error regarding a Halacha in Shulchan Aruch or Ramabam that’s one thing. But let’s say you believe in something for which there is no direct positive evidence and insist that it is your religious duty to believe so based on personal feelings, revelations, miricles, etc. You have just legitimized the revelation narrative of every world religion and cult.”
If a missionary confuses you with his proof and gets you to understand that Torah is cvs wrong, so you would agree to go by this new understanding and believe in AZ cvs because something in Torah doesn’t make sense?
Obviously not. The difference is Yiddishkeit is true, everything else takes a point of Yiddishkeit and mixes in garbage. So you can usually convince an open-minded person to this effect.but the basis of Yiddishkeit needs to be emuna.
The proof we have as lubavitchers is that the Rebbe was a tzadik continuing a line all the way up to the Baal Shem Tov. If you say that we can’t believe something the Rebbe said, then how can we believe anything he says? And the frierdiker Rebbe says,as he was his successor? Etc until the Baal Shem Tov? And as these people were holy tzaddikim, how can you believe any Torah authority? Maybe they’re wrong too? May as well just be a tzeduki or reject torah altogether cvs.
That’s the problem with this rationale. So we don’t understand everything. But the facts are the facts. Moshe emess vsoraso emess.
@3. I take personal offense at the statement made by CS that the Vilna Gaon saw the Alter Rebbe of Lubavich through a key hole, realized that if he would meet him he would have become a chossid and ran away. But this is just a symptom of the above stated problem.”I didn’t make it up or I would get your personal offense, this is a story I watched the descendent of the Vilna Gaon’s top talmid say is the tradition passed down through the family. Admittedly, knowing the greatness of the Gra, it is a bit shocking, and is not our version.
But people seemed more interested in hearing non lubavitch sources. Maybe take it up with the one who said it.
“Not to teach the non-Lubavitch public his shittos that will make the public distant themselves from Lubavitch”
Your other questions I answered in pg 16. As for this, as mentioned many times, the main thing,according to eveyone because this is definitely what the Rebbe taught is to bring moshiach. How do we do that? Through hafotzas hamayanos. That’s for the frum world. Now if someone isn’t even frum, we have to help him with the basics too, hence the shluchim.
So anything the Rebbe said to his chassidim, that without context could be misconstrued and push people away from learning Chassidus which is the Ikkar, the Rebbe saw no reason to publicise it and told his chassidim that we need to have oros dtohu, all the radical chidushim and ideas, bkeilim dtikkun, presented in ways people can understand and relate to. Running down the street yelling the Rebbe is moshiach with or without a flag doesn’t cut it.
But people who whitewash the subject all together and just say there is nothing radical etc. and we’re perfectly mainstream, don’t qualify, in my opinion, for the first half, oros dtohu. It seems these chassidim may just want to hide anything that can seem radical, with or without proper context.
But since the point is to spread Chassidus and bring moshiach, if they are afraid of being merachek people, I
understand that.But I think whoever is not open to seeing the sichos or maamarim inside and doing proper research when presented with the proper context, and have no Problem labeling thousands of Yiddin as whatever you have seen in this thread, they anyways wouldn’t be open to learning Chassidus so I don’t think that’s what the Rebbe meant.
Seems SH would disagree here and say let’s just focus on the ikkar and why focus on anything controversial at all, that may be merachek people?
And I guess, after seeing some posts, here, to err on the side of caution, he was right.
But now that I did open the thread in light of my previous understanding, I’m happy to answer any follow up. I think that’s it. Please lmk if there was anything else that hasn’t been addressed yet
All the questions below represent distortions of nuances. For example, we don’t say bowing down to AZ is almost the same as bowing down to Hashem, which is the holiest thing, so bowing to AZ is second holiest.
Rather AZ is the worst thing possible.
Similarly, we don’t say that bringing a new neshama down to the world is the holiest thing so any way of doing it should be fine. Rather a relationship between a man and woman can be the ultimate of klipa or the ultimate of kedusha.
The reason is because anything with a lofty potential can fall much lower.
So the questions below remind me of the quotes that anti Semites quote out of context from the gemara to prove that the Jews are the vilest people in the world.
Especially in matters of kedusha nuance matters so much, as a misstep the wrong way can result in AZ CVS.
So really you need context for all these questions, and then you can understand.
“Did the Rebbe say the following…?
* A Rebbe is G-d in a body”
The way you mean it, obviously not. However the Rebbe did quote the Zohar which states that looking at the face of the Master (Rashbi) was like looking at the face of Hashem.
I again suggest learning the maamar byom ashtei asar to gain more understanding of tzaddikim s role in the world.
“Lubavitchers (and only Lubavitchers) don’t have to sleep in a Sukkah”
In short, lubavitchers follow their Rebbeim. Since the Rebbeim were uncomfortable to sleep in the Sukka because of the lofty giluim revealed within, so we are also uncomfortable to sleep there because we are aware of this from our Rebbeim. For more understanding, see the original sicha for the whole halachic analysis. I don’t know which chelek in likutei sichos it’s in offhand, but I’m sure one of the bochurim could fill you in.
“* The Alter Rebbe was on a higher level of Pnimuyus HaTorah than Rav Yochanan ben Zakai”
Never heard this
* The Bais Hamikdash will not be built in Eretz Yisroel but in 770 and then transported to Eretz Yisroel, since 770 is “the place of Moshiach”
Yeah but again you need to learn the source for context. See kuntres beis Rabbeinu shebibavel 5752
Yserbius123
It wasn’t a “random passing thought.” First of all, it was divrei Torah. Secondly, by tzaddikim, nothing is random. Everything a tzaddik does is in accordance with Hashem’s Ratzon
@ sh true but that was because they had passed on the roles of Nossi hador so their guf had passed on…I really don’t get how you would reconcile it. Something to think about maybe ;)?
“Why does Lubavitch make such a big deal from winning the machlokes with the Rebbe’s nephew and getting the seforim back in the library, that they’ve turned that day every year into an official Yom Tov? Isn’t it embarrassing to every year revive memories of an internal dispute?”
In few words, because it wasn’t really about the books. It was a question on whether there is a Rebbe today. This was akitrug from shomayim expressed here on earth just like yud tes Kislev.
The reason why the family member was claiming the sefarim was because he held that lubavitch had ended with the frierdiker Rebbe and there was no more Chabad.
So when we overcame that taane it was a big deal and still is today
“Also, why does it seem that Lubavitch has had disputes with an unusually large number of other frum kehilos, both Chasidic and non-Chasidic (Satmar, Brisk?, Chaim Berlin, Ponovitch)?”
Because we have a unique path to everyone else.
“On a lighter note, how can you tell the difference between a Lubavitcher’s hat and a Yeshivisher’s hat?”
I’ll leave that to the men. Probably because we have the brim down, and they put it up
Cont’
So at the end of the day it is a matter of emuna, but I didn’t think it would be so hard to explain where we’re coming from because we’re all frum Yiddin who understand that the word of a tzadik should be taken really seriously,raising by his own chassidim.
@dovidbt
We go by the Rebbe’s guidelines. If there is a difference in understanding, then both positions are acceptable as you can see in this thread – mc and sh vehemently disagree, abs try to convince each other, but no one will day that either isn’t a chossidCont’
But as you all know, gimmel tammuz came along. So according to what I learned in this class, I had no clue of any is this before, the chassidim were split in 3 camps.
1) we don’t know what happened here, but it’s apparent that the Rebbe was nistalek, so we’ll go with that reality, and admit we don’t understand the sicha
2) exactly the opposite. Moshe emess vsoraso emess, the world is Olam hasheker, so the Rebbe is still alive.
How exactly?
There are different ways that it can be, all based on torah of course. I’ll mention a few pointers and if you’re not familiar, or anther person can explain :
1. Like Rabbeinu Hakadosh who came after his padding, to his family, in his body, and made kiddush for them (they could not have been yotze if he didn’t come in his body)
2. Rabbeinu Bachya s concept of tzaddikim possessing a guf gas and guf dak. So the guf gas can be buried while the guf dak is active.
3. A sicha of the Rebbe, I think MC referred to it before, on Yaakov Lo mes. The tosfos says that Yakov was buried, but at the funeral he opened his eyes.
Ie for a tzadik there could be such a thing as the body being alive although there is no pulse, no eating etc to answer Phil
3. Mainstream position that the Rebbe’s body is alive as per the last point of 2, in the ohel. This makes it that he doesn’t disconnect from us and continues to guide us, unlike tzaddikim when they pass away they undergo nhar dinur I think it is, and forget all associations with this world.so we visit the ohel, acknowledge gimmel tammuz and continue being guide by the Rebbe,the Nossi hador, whose influence has only grown worldwide since gimmel tammuz
Cont
So what I said before about the Rebbe being alive as in guiding us is mainstream. I can share a story to illustrate that point if wanted,please ask 🙂
Btw I take offence at the Rebbe’s Torah bring referred to as just good enough for non frum…that’s a ridiculous thing to say. Whoever said it obviously has never learnt a sicha or maamar, and should seriously do some teshuva and ask the Rebbe for Mechila for their own good.
Anyhow I was going to share something interesting.
In 12th grade I picked up there was more to this Rebbe being alive thing than ma Zaro bachayim. So I asked my teacher to address this and he prepared a fascinating few lessons on it
Basically there is a sicha, shmos likutei sichos chelek vov.
The Rebbe asks how is Moshe rabbeinu alive? After all, every tzadik is Af bimisosom kruyim chayim, so whats the addition of Moshe Lo mes?
The Rebbe answers that there is a medrash about Moshe, “Hu goel rishon, hu goel acharon.” Even though the Yiddin of the time didn’t merit moshiach, so Moshe wasnt moshiach, but the words of Hahem still were fulfilled.
How?
Moshes neshama is always present on earth in the body of the ispashtusa dMoshe bechol Dara. And since the main life of a tzadik is his Ruchnius accomplishments, Moshe Lo mes, because his neshama is always alive in the body of the Nossi hador,and that’s how hu goel rishon hu goel acharon because his neshama will end up with the Nossi hador who will be moshiach
Cont
So that sicha made it obvious to the chassidim that the Rebbe can’t be nistalek, as understood from the previous information mentioned in this thread.
Id really love to know if SH was taught this sicha,and if yes, how he reconciles it with having no problem saying ztzal etc
I see I have some follow up questions to answer. Excuse my show responses, I have a busy week and will try to get to everything eventually.
I think the most important question to address is the Rebbe being alive one.
So that’s a question I was first asked in high school by a wedding, by some very curious girls. And I told them what I knew which was “ma Zaro Vachasima, af hu vachasima.” The era of the Rebbe is not over, because as long as we act by his guidance and horaos, he lives on through us and influences the world even more powerfully, because as the Baal HaTanya writes, that the life of a tzaddik isn’t his physical body accend aspects, it is his spiritual influence, and that lives in even more powerfully after his passing because it isn’t limited to his body anymore. “Tzaddikim Bmisosom kruyim chayim .״