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“He’s an adult, so clearly not obligated to listen to his parents regarding college attendance. Of course his parents are not obligated to provide financial support for his yeshiva/ living expenses either.”
anon to htis- in which Torah does it say that he’s clearly not obligated to listen to his parents?!
who said it’s a battle?
emoticon613- you cna state your opinion as much as you want, but there is no need to yell
from what to what?
no there are no exceptions, once you can clarify exactly what hte rule is, in all its detail. the torah is not black and white…..torah lo bashamayim hee… torah was given to humans not malachim…
some of these logo-wearers, if they knew what type of people represent htose logos they wear, I’m not sure if they would be souch proud wearers…….
max well- the intricacies of how exactly to give proper tochacha are much more convaluted than being OBLIGATED to give tochacha. There are significant guidelines on how to do it properly, and unfortunately not many people can do it exactly right…
too true…
max well, at least they’re doing something to try and help…
seminary and camps are definitely MORE than just a business… would you send your kid to an institution that’s just there to make money?
NOBODY knows who u are?! 😉
wow wollf. logic……
actually, before he comes to the gemoro logic answers he gives like ten other possibilities. I forget how i tgoes exactly, but some are:
the dirty one takes a shower because he sees himself dirty, and clean on doesn’t because sees himslef clean
neither takes a shower because clean one sees himself clean, and dirty one sees clean one, so thinks hes also clean
both take a shower because dirty one sees himself and clean one sees dirty on
etc
its seems like everyone talks about boys only, regarding OTD. what about the girls?
“(i didn’t want to post without verifying for sure)- it’s 100% mutar”
what’s YOUR source, sof davar?
ya,but if you let your daughters do it because everyone else does, than someone else will let his daughter do something (wrong?) because everuyyone else is, then who will be left to do what’s right? it’s a merciless cycle…
sof davar-
I actually saw it in the CR- good forwards thread
you can copy paste it to MS word, though…
The day pencil skirts were created, I laughed.
From my perch in Paris where I direct the Designers, I laughed.
A laugh of approval.
A laugh of deception.
A laugh of cruelty.
The evilest of evil laughs.
Why did I laugh?
Because I realized I’ve got them.
No, not the weak ones.
Not the ones falling between the cracks.
But the best of the best.
Only THEY can help me.
They’re the ones I can feed off of.
The weak have nothing to offer me.
The strong ones are the ones I need..
Yes, the best of the best.
The “Bais Yaakov Girls”
So she’ll do her daily mirror check.
Pearl earrings in place.
Button down.
Black tights.
Skirt covers knees.
A true Bais Yaakov Girl.
I watch from afar.
And I continue to laugh my evil laugh.
Just wait till she sits down.
I’ve tried in the past with the collarbone, but theres no fooling them. They’re too strong for me. with the elbows, there’s no way. that leaves me with only one solution- the knees. Covered when they look in the mirror, and so -they innocently think- covered the whole day.
True, there are those few moments here and there when she notices, so she’ll tug on her skirt a bit but I’m not worried because there will be plenty a moment when she won’t notice.
But fortunately, the Rabbis in front of the classroom do.
And so do the weak girls.
And so does G-d.
Even for those who do realize perhaps this skirt is too short, there’s always the black tights excuse to help me out.
Thankfully, they don’t seem to realize that black knees are still knees.
Oh I’ve educated them well.
Secretly, slipped the word “Duty-length” into their vocabulary.
That did it.
They’re more defensive about it than anyone else.
If they buy a skirt that by mistake is “duty length” I watch proudly as they run to the seamstress to chop it off to just below the knee.
The stronger amongst them will say a little longer below the knee, but they also don’t realize that that won’t help them very much when they’re sitting.
Then there are those who do scare me because they really are trying to do the right thing. So when they sit down, they’ll tug on their skirts and pull it over their knees. Or so they think. I just hope they’ll be sitting with one leg on top of the other and then they think their knees are covered but in actuality, only one is.
Thank G-d, they don’t take their leaders too seriously when they encourage them to go for four inches below the knee. I’ve succeeded in getting them into defensive mode when it comes to these things.
I’d worried way back that they would realize that their relationship with G-d is ideally that of a good marriage, and their leaders merely their husbands close friends coming to tell them what they’re husband REALLY likes.
Because if they would realize that, they would RUN to buy the “Duty length” skirts. Because when you truly love your husband, you run to prepare whatever it is he likes.
But then I would be out of business.
Thanks to my hard work, that’s not the case.
Seems their marriage is a bit shaky after all.
And to my credit, their “Husband” watches them sadly thinking is that all our marriage means to you? All you can give me are skirts that JUST cover the knees. Is our marriage merely an obligation to get over with in the easiest way possible? Is that how much you value me?
And I laugh.
With much appreciation to all those who’ve assisted my cause over the years,
And with gratitude to all those who’ve provided me with many good laughs,
The Satan
Editors note:
Yes, he has got us in more ways than not, and yes it’s so easy to think I’m a good BY girl so what are a few inches anyway?
But just recently, we were forced to see that when it comes to the aim of a gun or a rocket, a few inches really DO matter.
And we witnessed Hashem being SO careful with His inches, so many rockets JUST missing their aim.
Maybe we can show our “Husband” some well deserved love.
And be careful with our inches too.
is ti even possible that both would fall through the same chimney, and only one gets dirty while the other remains clean!?
well, he could have given himself the haircut… lots of people do that
hebrew national hot dogs- where did the hebrew come from?