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“Reuven” had his heart set on meeting Rav Moshe Feinstein, so one day he made his way to MTJ for shacharis, where he hopes to catch the Rosh Yeshiva after Davening
As they finished Davening, an older man approached him with his hand stretched out
Reuven gave the man a quarter, which the man accepted, put in his pocket and walked on
Guess who…
?? ???? (However, contemporary Poskim prefer the ????? ??? aspect).
Also, you must be very careful when donating to non-Jewish charities not to violate Halacha.
There is no requirement to return it even if the owner is ???? ?????? because you found it after ?????, as I indicated above.
According to my friend, flat salary contracts are required to meet minimum wage standards when divided by the number of hours of labor.
Additionally, room and board or other amenities are not valued highly by labor courts in most cases (specifically, you can only count their actual value, not what you charge campers – and actual value is difficult to prove). Finally, even signing a contract does not waive your rights as far as wages.
I don’t claim any expertise personally, I am just quoting an expert in the field.
Technically, many (all?) of the frum day camps and overnight camps do not comply with the law on wages, and could get in serious trouble if anyone ever filed suit. So I’ve been told by a friend who is an attorney specializing in labor law.
Actually, it didn’t. If it had, I would not have responded.
It seemed as though you may have intended to provoke me, since I have [in this thread, as well as in several others] been quite vocal about the impropriety of how too many people in our community speak about the current president.
I didn’t really think this was the case; the disclaimer was just to hedge my bets.
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DY – As has been discussed before (I think in the thread about the story of Rav Moshe and the Chalav Stam), if anything, the incident with the Chofetz Chaim to which you referred indicates that it is Muttar to speak Lashon Hara about yourself, although it may not be a good idea. [Otherwise, the Chofetz Chaim wouldn’t have done it.]
HaLeiVi- I don’t think it’s Lashon Hara to point out that someone is different, unless the way in which he is different is of a sort that it would be Lashon Hara to point out, or if being different in and of itself is a negative quality. It’s clear that when the speaker called Reuven an idiot for voting for BHO, he was highlighting what he considered to be Reuven’s poor choice of candidate (and what that choice says about Reuven). Presumably, the feeling is mutual; Reuven considers the other candidates poor choices, and he thinks that voting for them is telling about the voter.
Would it be Lashon Hara for Reuven to say (even in such a crowd as you described), “Shimon is such an idiot – he voted for Mitt Romney!”?
If the only Lashon Hara aspect is the crowd, I think it’s only ??? ???? ???.
As far as the trolling question, I meant: “Are you deliberately saying something to get me [a fellow poster] upset?” (which is what I always thought trolling meant), as opposed to just kidding. If you were trolling, there’s no point in responding; trolls are by definition not concerned with ????? ?????, so why would they care about Lashon Hara?
If you were just kidding, it nevertheless provides an opportunity to point out that the added phrase, “is an idiot” changes it from ??? to full fledged Lashon Hara.
I suppose by that logic that Reuven would consider it Lashon Hara to say, “Shimon voted for John McCain.”
Truth is, it would only be ??? ???? ???.
[Disclaimer: If you are just trolling, I retract this post, as you do not deserve a response.]
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nfgo3 – In that case, it would depend on whether the other people listening were aware that you had voted for Barack Obama. Assuming that they were, then it would definitely be considered Lashon Hara. If not, I do not believe that it is Lashon Hara, although it is most certainly Ona’as Devarim in any case (unless, of course, the speaker himself did not know how you voted).
To elaborate on the Goq’s point, if he would have said, “Reuven is an idiot because he voted for Obama,” that would be Lashon Hara.
Incidentally, although I personally voted for McCain and for Romney, I think that anyone who would say this is an idiot. This subject has been discussed ad nauseum in various other threads.
Ultimately, I think we can all agree that Yellowphelia and the effect it should have on one’s Shidduch prospects is a gray area.
Please note that no studies have yet proven that this condition is not caused by vaccines.
Ubiquitin –
“Pro-disease”…nice turn of the phraseology.
Stam – the point you seem consistently to evade in all of this is that although there are side effects to vaccines, the benefit so far outweighs the risk that it is dangerous to pretend otherwise.
Whether the people you claim to have seen get injured by taking vaccines actually came to their situation that way or not is irrelevant.
This is not to say that we do not empathize with people suffering from Autism or any other type of disease or condition; of course we feel terrible for these people.
The main point is that the overwhelming, vast majority of people are healthy and not at risk for crippling, debilitating, life threatening diseases because of vaccines.
The size of the study is roughly the population of the developed world. The time of the study is ever since vaccines have been developed.
I categorically reject the notion that the entire medical and pharmaceutical establishments, along with all Western governments, are participating in this massive conspiracy to destroy people for money.
Sorry, doesn’t work.
Lots of people have yellow clothing, but most wear black hats
PBA, thanks for the clarification – I thought you meant on Shabbos
LF – Sorry about that…I realized too late that you might not like the analogy.
Anyway, I knew that the OP was of the same opinion. I was protesting the use of humor to make a valid point in this case, since the subject is so serious.
Je ne parle pas francais, but your opinion was exactly my point.
DY – It should be noted that since ????? ?????, [presumably, when the Beis HaMikdash will be built] we will follow ??? ????, in fact it will not be allowed to have your cholent cook on Shabbos unless you are mafkir your crackpot, because of ????? ????.
The affront to ????? ???? which is constituted by the so-called Kosher Switch is no joking matter.
Our grandparents’ fight to maintain the dignity of Shabbos was against the work ethic of American society; ours is against the convenience ethic of American society.
I feel like a frog in a pot of warm water…
(Parenthetically, I must say that it would be an incredible waste of an opportunity to “cause the Beis HaMikdash to be built!”
It would be so much better to wait for the ??? ??? ????? so you can have the Mitzvah of building it yourself.)
I think it really depends on the shade of yellow that he likes.
I absolutely agree with the main point of the OP. Nevertheless, it should be noted that in the article referenced as an example (parenthetically, how did that link get through the mods?), the survey was of a sample of 365 tweets. I would think that this is too low a sample from which to draw conclusive results.
Why isn’t it Lashon Hara for the screen to display (and the characters to announce) the names of the subjects of each Middos Alert?
“I’m sure…”
Invariably means, “I have no idea if…”
Goq –
Chazal state that [one of] the mistake
of Nadav and Avihu was in not taking counsel with “Moshe their Rebbe, Aharon their father, or even each other.” Many Meforshim explain that had they asked each other, they would have realized that what they were about to do was wrong. Although each one thought it was a good idea for himself, this was due to his personal bias (whatever Yetzer Hara was involved here). When asked by his brother whether it was a good idea, each would have seen that it was not correct.If even Nadav and Avihu (think, ?????? ????) “lived in glass houses”…
In a situation where one is asked for information based on a legitimate need (such as for a shidduch) about a person whom he personally dislikes, the Chofetz Chaim rules that he may not divulge any information which would be considered Lashon Hara unless he can do so without feeling any personal pleasure; otherwise he has committed Lashon Hara.
[His proof to this is that the Mitzriyim were punished even though they fulfilled the Ratzon Hashem of Ger yihyeh zaracha… He argues that they were held responsible because they took pleasure at making the Bnei Yisrael suffer.]
Many Poskim disagree and are of the opinion that although he may not take pleasure at telling the information, he is still required to share it even if he can not help but enjoy telling. This would not be a violation of Lashon Hara, although it is clearly prohibited.
[The Ramban in Chumash says the Mitzriyim were punished because they were not compelled to be the ones to carry out the edict against the Bnei Yisrael.]
I noticed this week (probably thanks to the existence of this thread) that ????? ???? explains that ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? means that your service to Him should rather be an expression of gratitude for all that He has already done for you.
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It should be noted that in some English speaking countries, a “jumper” is a sweater (the type of which it is certainly appropriate for Yeshiva bochurim to wear).
mw-13, I had to assume that the post you referenced was intended as a facetious reference to many articles in contemporary Jewish women’s magazines, which portray the situation described as not uncommon.
It would be nice if the author of the post would confirm that it was in fact not intended literally.
With all due respect, I never understood this question, although I’ve been asked to do this many times at seminars and the like.
Wolf, I, too, am sorry for your loss. For the record, I happened to be at Rav Moshe Tuvia Lieff’s derasha on leil acharon shel Pesach. After discussing the various opinions and rationales, his ruling was that in the absence of a clear family minhag to refrain from saying Yizkor, one should recite Yizkor even during the first year.
I think we would do well to remember that this is a debate, not a fight. We can have a spirited discussion without impugning each other’s stature. ??? ?????.
Of course, in E”Y or any place which has a prevailing minhag hamakom, that minhag is the norm to which all individuals are bound to adhere. It is important to realize that the reason individuals follow those minhagim is not that they appeal to the emotions (or logic) of the congregant, but that Halacha demands this degree of conformity.
It is true that no such overriding minhag exists in [most communities in] the US, which leads to the great diversity of minhagim that exists here.
Ignorance of your family minhag on my part serves at best as an indication that my family does not share that minhag. There is no reason for this to cause any condescension or derision on the part of those whose families do take part in the minhag in question.
In general, the idea of adopting minhagim because of their appeal (whether spiritual or material) represents a fundamental misunderstanding of basic concepts of Judaism.
With regards to adopting minhagim for their material appeal, I think people are so caught up in what it is they are trying to attain, that they do not realize the danger involved in these minhagim and segulos. You can not “trick” Hashem in to granting your fantasy of being wealthy by putting a key in a challah. The segulah-craze (in which people attempt to manipulate Hashem into granting “refuos, yeshuos and parnassa”) which has gripped our noble People of late is lamentably close to avoda zara.
As far as those minhagim whose appeal is spiritual, I think many people do not have a clear idea about the sort of ruchniyus they want to achieve. Our conception of spirituality is based not on what makes us feel spiritual, but on what we are told by Hashem will elevate us into spiritual beings. Without discussing the basis for the particular minhag, it is important to realize that adherence to, and reverence of, our tradition is the keystone of our relationship with HKBH. If we are willing to erode this for the warm, fuzzy feeling of a “nice minhag,” we have compromised the integrity of the entire structure, ch”v.
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When on spacewalks, astronauts wear maximum absorption garments (In English, we call these diapers). This is because it is too time consuming to reenter the shuttle or space station each time the astronaut needs to relieve himself. I suppose that eventually there could be constructed a pressurized environment on the moon, but as of now anyone on the moon [or anywhere else outside of a pressurized atmosphere] is not allowed to say (or even think) any ???? ????? because they do not have a ??? ??? (and, of course, their ???? is not ????).
However, while in the shuttle or space station, they are able to maintain ??? ??? and ????? ?????, so my earlier post responds to the thread title but not the OP.
Sam2 – ???? ???????
DY – Agreed. The only reason to discuss the story is the irony.
DY – The people who have told me this story have always used it to show that Rav Moshe “really held” that chalav stam is assur. The story refutes this because if that were true, it would have been impossible for him to drink it even by mistake because ??? ???”? ???? ???? ???.
That said, I think the real moral of the story (if it is true) is about the incredible sensitivity he had to something which he held should not be consumed by a baal nefesh, as per Joseph (Lior), et al.
IHLH – I’m not sure what you thought I meant. Chas V’Shalom, I did not intend anything other than the greatest respect for Rav Moshe. Let me be clear. My point was that since Rav Moshe is obviously included in “??????”, it is inconceivable that he would have consumed something that was not kosher according to his own opinion.
Zemanim for tefilla is not an issue at all, since the astronaut would be precluded from davening because of ???? ????? ????.
Could it be that GoGoGoGo is Comlink-X/Randomex (who, as we know, has more than one username…)?
Oh, I thought you just wanted to keep it safe from your own restriction on bumping threads “older than 6 months.”
As a relatively new kid on the block, I don’t mind the bumps on the road.
@IHLH – no doubt (and so it is said) an ugly rumor started that Rav Moshe does not hold of company X…completely ignoring that he picked up the bottle in the first place!
In a similar vein, I heard from Rav Aharon Felder zt”l, arguably Rav Moshe’s closest talmid (perhaps after Rav Bluth), who was present when this occurred:
Rav Moshe was known to be super makpid about his matzos. At a bris once on chol hamoed Pesach, the young Rav Reuven approached his father during the seudas mitzvah and said quietly (in Yiddish, of course), “these are not our matzos,” to which Rav Moshe replied, “if I don’t eat, people will say that it’s chometz!”
@ DY – No chiddushim, just explaining Sam2 (??? ????? ?????). I think Sam2 was not proving that ?? ??? held it is muttar; this hardly needs to be proven. My takeaway from his post was that this story, like so many others, is used by many people to prove a point, when in fact the story undermines that very point.
@ Comlink-X – Yes, I suppose it would. Any ???? ??????.
In my dream Shul, it is culturally unacceptable to expect others to clean up your mess. Everybody puts away the seforim and siddurim they take out, and nobody leaves used coffee cups on the tables (and I’m being nice, here…).
Needless to say, you will never open a Chumash to find a used tissue stuck to the pages…
If I may be so bold as to say ??? in Sam2…
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It is inconceivable that ???”? would allow ????”? ??”? to eat something which is not absolutely ???.
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Who decided?
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The Seder is designed for the children to remain engaged and involved, but the main point is not for them to be retelling 101 gematrios about the Hagadah. The focus of the Seder should be the father telling the story of Yetzias Mitzrayim, with a focus on Ikrei Ha’emuna. This is the bedrock of our Emuna. As a rebbe, I do not overload my (upper elementary) students with divrei Torah for the Seder, and the ones that I do share with them are focused on the Emuna and Bitachon lessons of the story.
We do not live near our children’s grandparents. On a good year, our parents and children will get to see each other four times (Succos, Pesach, summer vacation and a family simcha such as a wedding). Baruch Hashem, we are able to stay home for Yom Tov, but I think that Moshe Yess was absolutely on the mark when he highlighted Zeidy leading the Seder as a watershed moment in a child’s life. I still treasure the memories of my own grandfather at the Seder, and I feel that it is an honor and privilege for my children to have this experience.
Nothing to do with being spoiled; this is about imbuing our children with proper appreciation for their grandparents.
It’s true that in some ways it is difficult and straining on both the hosts and the guests. Even something you really want can be taxing in some ways.
We greatly appreciate our parents’ generosity in hosting us, and we try to alleviate the stress of having us there by helping out with whatever we can. I happily peel all the vegetables on erev Pesach for the well over twenty people who will be in my mother in law’s house for Yom Tov every year, among many other things we do to help. We try to minimize the noise and mess from our children, and we certainly make sure that they clean up after themselves, but no matter what, there will be more noise, more mess, less space and more stress because we are there. I believe my wife’s parents when they say they want us to come; At the same time, I can fargin a little bit of kvetching.
You’re right, I missed the last sentence.
I think you need a new doctor.
In all seriousness, of course it is true that nutritionists know more about nutrition than do doctors. Perhaps there is some set of foods that could prevent MMR (if there is, please let me know) about which doctors are ignorant. What does this have to do with the contention that vaccines cause autism?
I think it is reprehensible and slanderous to assert that the many thousands of doctors who strongly encourage their patients to get vaccinated (including, by the way, ???? ?????? ???? ????, as you know better than I do) are all willing to toss their own souls, along with the lives of their patients, to burn on the altar of the dollar god. This is not like recommending brand name Advil over store brand ibuprofen!
My pediatrician as a child, and nearly all of the many pediatricians I have used for my own children, are frum Yidden whose value for human life renders any dollar amount inconsequential. Are they, too, motivated by money or politics? Or perhaps they are too stupid to figure this all out? Many of them have the highest pedigree you could want a physician to have; do they not understand the issues?
Of course, it never occurred to the anti-vaccine crowd that any doctors (if there are any left) who discourage their patients from vaccinating might be motivated by the prospect of increased need for medical treatment.
They would be horrified and scandalized to hear the integrity of their physician impugned in so brazen a manner. Yet they have no problem painting the entire medical establishment of the developed world in as ugly a hue.
Yekke, even according to those who are of the opinion that opening the soda bottle is a ????? ????????, there is a permissible way of gaining access to the soda (by cutting open the bottle), so if someone opened the bottle in the normal way it is definitely ???? to drink the soda. In such a case, you would not be deriving any benefit from the ?????.
I think many people felt thoroughly inadequate even to discuss this calamity. ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???.
Thanks Ubiquitin – I will assume that your sarcasm was meant all in good fun.
First of all, I actually forgot that the gas has a foul odor, so the mistake was not grounded in any shortcoming of learning practical halacha.
Secondly, you seem not to agree that it is a ??????”?. Please elaborate.
In any case, you have not responded to my assertion that the knob would be ???”?.
Of course, the main point was that, my own shortcomings notwithstanding, practical halacha is in fact learned in mainstream Yeshivos. The idea that this is not the case, like so many other slanderous contentions, is often referred to as fact by people who have little or no knowledge of the facts, or worse, who have an ax to grind with a particular Yeshiva or Yeshivos in general.
It is easy to nitpick on any part of a particular system taken out of context of the whole. Only by putting everything in its proper context can justice be done to the Yeshiva system. Needless to say, this is beyond the scope of the CR.
Just remember that there are some pretty intelligent individuals, who care deeply about Ratzon Hashem, running the Yeshivos. At the very least they should be credited with the possibility of having thought through their life’s work.
Yayin, I just want to mention that if there were no issue of sakana it would be assur to shut the gas on Shabbos because of Muktzeh. At best, the knob is ??? ??????? ??????, probably it is ????? ???? ????? ???.
*Based on what I learned at a leading “mainstream Yeshiva” 🙂
What four phone calls?
The Gemara’s terminology is ????? ????? ???, so it would seem to be obligatory, and, of course, this is how it is understood by Shulchan Aruch. It seems to be a ???? ????? (as opposed to a ????, the implication of the Chafetz Chaim’s wording notwithstanding).
Although there is no specific ???? prescribed for one who violates even most ????? ??? ?? ????? (of course, as is well known, ??? and ???? are the exceptions to this rule, as failure to fulfill either of those ????? carries a punishment of ???), it is clearly an ????? to do so (as evidenced by the famous Gemara about ????? ?? ???? ????? and the Yerushalmi regarding failure to fulfill Tzitzis ????? ?????, among many others), since the concept of ????? is simply transgression of the ???? ???. This is clearly true of anything accepted by Halacha as Ratzon Hashem, regardless of its origin.
As long as you don’t offer it as a korban on the bimah you should be ok.