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This argument is so repetitive, it’s painful. I don’t really read the CR too often, but this thread got me interested, as I’ve always wondered about the Minhag to sleep outside the sukkah (and in fact, this thread did inform me on many things that I did not know too much about).
However, that was merely in the beginning; now, the rhetoric has descended to being reposts back and forth between MS and the rest, repeating the same Tainos<em/> to each other, and each side ignoring the other. (TBH, I particularly feel bad for MS, he clearly puts effort into his well-crafted and lengthy responses, and is now repeating the same thing time and time again.) Seems like it will be (to use the lashon of the gemorah) “chozeres chalilah” until they actually argue on what each other are saying, instead of repeating the same points again and again.
I’ll be misakem (summarize) the argument as I see it:
DY and the others claim the Chabad Minhag of sleeping outside the sukkah is against Shulchan Aruch, which states you must sleep inside the sukkah unless it is cold outside (or other exemptions, some of which are stated by other poskim, or given privately to people with extenuating circumstances).
MS agrees, (he also says it is against the SIMPLE understanding of the Shulchan Aruch and that the logic to do so seems weak), but being that this was the minhag of his rebbeim he follows it, notwithstanding the weak svarah to do so. He points to the Minhag of lighting indoors and eating outside the sukkah in shmini atzeres as examples of times when we go against the simple understanding of the Shulchan Aruch with weak svaros.
MS claims that if anything, the Chabad minhag is better as the Shulchan Aruch does lay credence to the idea of sleeping outside the sukkah, while it expressly states you must light indoors.
That is the first point I feel is being ignored: DaasYochid (and the others), what do you say to that? Do you agree that the Chabad minhag is *less* against the Shulchan Aruch?
The others respond to MS that the svarah of Chabad is weaker than the the svarah of those that light inside/eat outside, to which MS doesn’t agree. That is a subjective argument, with no answer. But it seems like DY and the others don’t understand the svarah at all, which MS has not explained at all. For my own question on MS – did the Tzaddikim of all the generations not sleep in the sukkah? And if they did, were they not holding on the level to feel “Makifin of Binah”? And if it is because they were so holy that them sleeping was “Makifin of Binah” was not a disgrace, do you concede that your Rebbe was less holy?
All in all, I seem to side with MS. All these minhagim go against Shulchan Aruch, and without our Tzaddikim, we would not be able to follow any of them. Making cheshbonos about what which svaros make less sense or more sense is illogical, they all don’t make sense, and our Tzaddikim felt it correct to so no matter what. The only question is, is how much does it go against the Shulchan Aruch, and for that, Chabad has the upper hand (however, still, the other minhagim should be followed, too).