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Torah613Torah: Why were you hoping for a boy?
What’s so hard, benignuman?
There are many different aspects to the gay marraige issue:
1) Should states be allowed to sanction gay marriage?
No.
2) Should states be allowed to prohibit gay marriage?
Yes, it should be prohibited.
3) Should states be allowed to prohibit sodomy?
Yes it should be prohibited, and it was in some states until recently when the same court that invented a “constitutional right” to abortion overturned it.
4) Should states saction gay marriage?
No.
5) Should states prohibit gay marriage?
Yes.
6) Do the answers to 4 & 5 change if the states are prohibited, by the federal government, from prohibiting sodomy?
Irrelevant as sodomy should be prohibited.
7) Should Torah Observant Jews care one or another what the states do on this issue?
Yes. The Gemora in Meseches Chullin Daf Tzaddik Beis Amud Beis right at the top of the Amud states that one of the “Zchusim” that the umos hoilam have is that they do not write marital contracts for “mishkav zochur” and the Gemora says the reason the gentiles weren’t destroyed is because they don’t write marriage contract to mishcav zochorniks. And the act itself is a violation of the Sheva Mitzvos and we are enjoined to enforce the Sheva Mitzvos.
akuperma: Common-law-marriage is ONLY available in nine States. Anywhere else a religious marriage without a civil marriage will NOT result in legal (secular) recognition of the marriage. Such a couple CANNOT file a joint tax return.
Furthermore, almost NONE of the supporters of homosexual marriage advocate legalization of incest and polygamy. Unless they — or any supporter here — do so, they remain hypocrites.
All those making an argument that the secular laws of marriage have zero to do with what is a Jewish marriage surely support people getting Jewishly married and NOT GETTING legally married — since as you say they are completely two different things — and then claiming benefits as a single mom with children, that single moms are entitled too, and remaining on their parents health benefits since they are not LEGALLY married. RIGHT akuperma, yichusdik, SecularFrummy, etc?
Also, you guys should be supporting allowing a brother and sister to get married and supporting a father marrying his daughter as well as supporting a guy marrying two girls. You don’t want to impose our anti-incest or anti-polygamy moral values on others, eh.
Don’t be hypocrites.
Ever Min HaChai is illegal under secular law and I would equally oppose any legalization effort to allow such animal cruelty.
DO WHAT DA-MOSHE SAID. BRING 5 OF EACH ITEMS TO THE REGISTER TO PRICE AND PICK ONE. HE’LL GET THE MESSAGE.
THE MB HAS GENERALLY BEEN USED AS THE DEFAULT “GO TO” AS FINAL PSAK ALMOST SINCE IT WAS PUBLISHED.