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Nom so apparently your philosophy is: when you have nothing to answer a snarky personal attack is the way forward. Nice
Lockdowns, mask orders are all pointless.
Their purpose is to prevent spread of disease. They do no such thing.
Case in point comparison:
Sweden’s population is ~1.13 times the size of Israels.
Swwden did not impose any ridiculous rules on society.
The results:
Sweden’s infection rate is ~1.2 times (as of yesterday) that if Israel .
And day by day now that discrepancy is getting smaller and smaller. Why? Bc, as some weizmann institute (i.e. doron lancett) non brainwashed scholars have shown, the virus spreads in waves and there is nothing much that can be done about it. Sweden experienced it’s second wave in June and is now past it. Now it is Israels and other countries turn to have a wave.
Over 100 Israeli doctors have signed a letter to the govt. Telling them not to do a second lockdown bc it is pointless. They claimed to be of the same opinion the first go but we’re silenced.
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More examples:. Jordan and Egypt and the p.a. – have actually much lower infection rates than Israel but I am not sure what kind of lockdown policies they have there although they are most probably less ridiculous than Israel’s.
So the lockdowns and mask mania just create misery for zilcho toeles.
Agav, the nejm in May stated that there is ZERO evidence that masks do anything. So fauci 1.0 was the better version before he became a little Napoleon and started getting his kicks controlling hundreds of millions people’s lives
The only question is why does Israel BH/poo poo poo have such a low death rate, not even remotely matched by any other country. (Except the pa who use Israel’s health system for their sick…)
1. Siyata d’shmaya
2. The best health Care system in the world bar none. Including an attitude toward life unparalleled any where in the world. Having seen the cattle car attitudes of NYC doctors and emergency rooms where people in tzaar are treated like annoyances, it is no surprise that the NY met area is responsible for half the deaths in the us. New York is a city of rotzchim. Life is worthless there. For all we know they are deliberately knocking off the old just to cut medical costs for bankrupt systems.
2. Israel has a very young population w over 50% being under 30.
3. The disgusting ‘nursing home’ culture if the United States where the elderly are gotten rid of in the most inhumane manner possible is almost non existent in Israel. Of course around the world half of the deaths have been in nursing homes which should not surprise anyone as factories produce what they are intended to produce. In Israel as well. Just in Israel there are not that many nursing homes
Last point:. These ridiculous lockdowns, school closings etc. are b’geder גזירה שאין הציבור יכולים לעמוד בהם.
As such they were not followed properly and did more harm than good esp. when you take into consideration that most people were infected by other family members which is why infection rates were so high in haredi areas.
Had there instead been גזירה which the tzibbur could follow: i.e. stay away from the vulnerable. It would have been taken seriously and the death rates would have been less than half of what they are today.
The stupid lockdowns, besides causing unnecessary misery and non kungflu deaths to millions also caused more kungflu death than would have occured wo them.
תפסת מרובה לא תפסת.
When you pretend to know have the answers to everything and are in control of everything more than Gd (the only attitude from which these idiotic lockdowns spawn) you usually make things worse.
Ubiquitin
Maybe you had no success bc you’re an incompetent Doctor. You know that there are quite a few quacks out there.
All you seem able to do is impugn zelenko based on zero evidence. Sounds to me u r just jealous of his recent notoriety.
In the meantime, unless you are calling him a liar and if you are please come straight out and say it, he has treated 2000 patients w his prescription and only 2 deaths . He says when and how it should be used.
OTOH, we have you the armchair party pooper who tried to squash discussion based on your being a doctor. You are seeing patients early on like zelenko? You claim to be a nephrologist. Who goes to a nephrologist within a few days of catching a flu? You go to a nephrologist when your primary thinks you’re having kidney issues. Not within a few days of catching the flu. You sound very suspicious.
Maybe not legally binding but you really don’t want to break an engagement. This can leave scars on the breaker and breakee. The time for clarification is prior to engagement.
I haven’t read the study and have no idea what it proves.
But, the fact that when during a supposedly dangerous pandemic a certified doctor comes up with a recipe that he claims will effectively treat the disease and the response is … Meh! And no govt institution state or federal seek to verify or disprove his claim leaving him to write his own study w no outside help and no serious studied were done besides his own is a disgrace.
And it seems that those who are disparaging Dr. Zelenko as not having proved anything are just naysayers. If you really have a hoot, since you are a ‘doctor’ and understand this stuff – go prove definitively one way or the other if it works.
When a bit of hope is offered – rational response – let’s look into it.
The jerk’s response:. You haven’t proven anything so wake me up again when you have.
By acting like Ceasar giving the proverbial thumbs down shows you are not serious people. Just interested in showing off your ability to engage in sophistry.
Truebt : so when chazal say אין מרחמים על מי שאין בו דעת it was loshon horo?
I am not picking on a specific person or group but condemning a theoretical behavior. Sheesh.
You can agree or disagree with how I feel about the theoretical someone who obstinately refuses to see what is happening around him but no need for you to get on your loshon horo high horse.
The issur of Loshon horo was not meant to be a convenient,
self serving excuse to shut down discussion.Nom, you seem just to be arguing just for the sake of arguing otherwise known as לקנטר but I will answer your “stira” anyway.
Truly hopeless= one who can’t see the potential disaster facing the u.s.
Why can’t you see this disaster? Precisely bc at this very given moment or at least what you have gotten used to your whole life- bc life in America has been so good.
So in short:. life being so good in America has made you truly hopeless to seeing any dangers are coming down the pike.
Life for many in Poland was also very good – this blinded people to the dangers that were just around the corner. In 2020 Hashem is being quite overt in demonstrating the potential dangers. For that reason one who cannot see them is truly hopeless.
It is puzzling why this even had to be explained
There is systemic racism in the u.s. but it comes from the progressives, not the conservatives.
All of the blacks problems stem from the welfare state which came into being in order to prevent them from integrating into society.
Progressives since the late 60’s have built the ghettoes- physical and mental – that prevent blacks from the living normal lives they might have achieved after the civil Rights victories of the 50’s and 60’s .
The racism of thz slavery and Jim Crow eras is indeed gone. Today’s racism is from progressives who want to manipulate blacks as a monolithic vote black and cynically adopted policies to prevent from ever leaving the modern day plantation.
If you cant see american society crumbling around you and at least start to think about maybe its time to you are truly hopeless and deserve evertrhing coming down the pike. You will be like the 80% who never got out of mitzrayim cuz life was too good there to leave.
SB:. Oh I don’t know, it just seems like they all graduate Congress with a level of wealth that is completely disproportionate to their 200k salaries.
But that would never ever be bc of influence peddling, or insider trading ….
Didn’t they all jump to condemn those senators who were caught getting rich on the market from the kungflu?
But don’t fret; all is good in Jonestown.
SB:. Oh I don’t know, the fact that they have written laws to protect themselves from being sued or prosecuted for sexual assault?
You know, like Joe Biden and Tara Reade.
Do you really think Joe Biden is anything but the tip of the iceberg?
He hasn’t been the only one to be accused you know. They all come to his defense or at least not press the issue – Dems and repubs alike – bc it’s you protect me and I’ll protect you.
How many pre election promises do these guys keep?
I can’t believe you even ask such a question.
And if common sense is not enough: see chazal who say : make yourself unknown to the רשות cuz they only serve themselves.
Chazal do carry weight with you, I assume.
SB: oh I don’t know, is the US not 24$trillikn in debt? Is anyone doing anything about it? Anyone dealing re the social security bubble?
But don’t mind me. Go on enjoying how they pander to you; it makes you feel good, so keep on drinking the koolaid. Thesee are really irrelevant problems that are beneath our revered and scrupulous congressmen to deal with.
How long did the US stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for no reason at all? How much lives and money were wasted?
Anyone make a peep?
But no worries matie, It is the right of our overlords to use blood and treasure that belongs to them anyway as they see fit
No: you mean there was another Holocaust before 1939 I’m not aware of?
You are making an incorrect understanding of what I wrote. . I never said that a crumbling society would = genocide.
But would you want to live in a dystopian society? (Of course there might be genocide in a dystopian society or Soviet style shmad or who knows; it’s dystopian.)
The comparison to 1935 was insofar as not see the writing on the wall. My great grandfather left Poland for the us For this very reason. He said :. We cannot survive in a society that hates us. None of his descendants were killed in the Holocaust and most are Torah Jews to this day. Can’t say the same for his complacent neighbors. He was a חכם הרואה את הנולד. Hopefully American jewry can be that way too if the current trajectory continues and not be a like an אין בו דעת שאין מרחמים עליו on this site who proclaimed his obstinacy in remaining in America until the geula comes no matter what.
The left hates the Jews as viciously as the Europeans did throughout our history. If they gain control which is very possible…
SB; vast majority of senators and congressmen are good people?
How naive can one be. שמר פתיים השם.
On second thought stay in uhmerica. We have a rotten. Knesset as it is and don’t need more naive people here who are too naive to change things. (I’m not being serious, come w all your naivete, the dangers to America are actually quite real and more imminent than previously thought)
Common:.
The dor hamidbar was in golus also but punished for rejecting Eretz Yisroel, nonetheless. If you have no she’ifa to move to Eretz Yisroel right now and by saying we will wait for Hashem to call us shows you are completely unserious about kibbuz galuyos – when you say ולירושלים עירך תשוב or וקבץ נידחינו מארבע כנפות הארץ you are making a cynical joke since you have no intention of doing anything to help make that happpen (do you wait around for Hashem to miraculouslyyou parnosso?) you are no different than that dor who rejected Eretz Yisroel and the imminent geula of that day. They had terutzim also. Mitzrayim was a much better place to live. No 31 melochim to worry about etc. And yet they were condemned to die in the midbor bc they were not rejecting Eretz Yisroel but Hashem Himself. They were waiting for Him to ‘call’. Or is it ‘dont call me, I’ll call you’?
For 2000 years Jews dreamed about living in Eretz Yisroel, and today when it is finally possible: nah, Brooklyn and Monsey have much more kedusha. Well, if not kedusha, at least much better gashmius. Yankees and mets. Well, not anymore.
That’s all fine to a point But that gashmius is now blinding you to the crumbling of the society around you and the effect that most probably will have on you and based on last 3 weeks events much sooner than I personally had initially thought.
Hashem is calling you. Don’t go deaf from all the fat stuffing your ears. He generally leaves room for בחירה חופשיתso if you ignore his nudges and wake up and warning signs – it’s on you.
Ok, so you have no problem having a man in a dress teach your children. Or having a man forcing himself into a ladies mikva bc he claims to really be a woman (this happened in l.a.) Or that you can thrown in jail or fined (I know not yet but coming quickly) for ‘misgendering’ .
None of this is a problem in ey. And no hooligans are rioting either and there are no inane calls to defund the police. And in a 180 degree difference, the right is gaining strength every day as opposed to America where AOC has a good chance of becoming President once she is able to start trying (even if she loses once, she can run again and again being quite young and energetic). This last point is the most crucial. The direction of the country.
Yes, the mapai/mapam origins of the Medina are not fully destroyed yet but they are getting weaker by the day. But America is running headlong in the opposite direction for many years now – on the trajectory away from liberty and towards fascism/communism. And to make matters worse, the only force stopping it – trump- is demonized by his own side. Maybe Trump and the normal part of America will succeed in reversing the tide, maybe not, so it is only common sense to be prepared for what has a good chance of coming to fruition.
Schnitzel:
Surely European Jews were saying the same thing in 1935. They at least had an excuse cuz nothing of the sort had ever happened before. You have none and you are totally irresponsible. Shame on you.
Stop being an ostrich. If you are not aware of the cultural rot around you then you are truly lost.
Ken zein, the normal people will push back and things will be ok. But the direction of the country right now is away from freedom. That you are foolish enough to not support the only force doing any push back – Trump is a sad commentary on your cognitive dissonance. Reminiscent of the Novi decrying the yiddenwho clung to their pesolim as they returned thier neshomos to their Creator.
Someone Monsey:. Without a doubt, there is a cultural shift occurring in this country….
U seem to change opinions mid post. First, the conservative pundits are ‘overstating’ but in the end u say that – sooner or later we Jews will have to make choices cuz the country will become inhospitable.
So I’m confused by your answer .
I actually movef to ey a number of years ago bc I didn’t like the trajectory of the us and thought it highly possible that my children or grandchildren would be living in a Brave New World (alduous Huxley) kinda society.
But I honestly didn’t think it would happen in my lifetime. The events of the past 3 weeks are only getting worse. And the moral rot of almost the entire youth is growing larger like a cancer everyday. Are there enough normal people left in America to reverse the tide? Believe me, I write this w great pain cuz I really love the American people, the malchus Shel chesses that has enabled Jews to live like Kings. A nation founded on Gd given rights. Nisht poshut bichlal.
But even if Trump wins, the radical left ideas have seeped so deeply into society I honestly don’t know if America can recover. (If Trump loses , I should pack your bags asap)
Bob Grant was an institution, indeed. Mario, azendeme…
Fake fraud phony, Get off my phone!!
But what’s the point of this post, eh?
Kill Saddam Hussein!!!
Uhh.. have you ‘oticef that we don’t really ‘own’ p’aces like ramala or shechem or Chevron and will not until moshiach comes? What r u gonna do w the million arabs that live here? Do you plan on forcefully kicking them into the sea?
Wake up , genius. The Arab occupied areas are here to stay until further notice by the One Above. In the meantime the smartest thing Jews can do is formalize our hold on whatever placed Jews live in in order to prevent expulsions a la aza in the future.
Being Messianic before the Messianic era is a very dangerous and idiotic way to live. I’m not satmar but they do have a point (albeit way way way overstated) that you can’t force the geula.
Be practical. Whatever part of ey Hashem has given us to live in is a tremendous brocha. How bout appreciating that?
And appreciate that you have a true אוהב ישראל who is trying to work w Bibi and assumes Israel’s rights to ארצינו הקדושה and is doing something to cement those rights in realpolitik
See ליקוטי מוהרן חלק א תורה א
Salem: By1212: amalek and the 70 umot are nationalities not race. I actually do not know what the word race actually means.
Uh…למשפחותם. the Torah clearly states that the 70 ummos are racial. I.e. they come from common ancestry which the Torah goes thru the טירחה of listing Each even has specific מידות רעות as per chazal.
Until sancheriv , there was no difference btwn race and nationality. Then בלבל את האומות, and you had a restructuring of national identity removed from race. So today עשו or אדום had morphed into Rome which in turn morphed into the western European countries. אגב this is what בלעם was referring to when he said:. אוי, מי יחיה משומו קל. See. Rashi. בלעם understood how awful it was when your national identity is obliterated and instead of a racial identity you have an ersatz fiat/fraudulent “nationalistic” one.
How you can claim that Amalek is not a race is absurd. And betrays a tendency to knee jerk react. How does one become an Amaleki? Only by being born into it. That is racial. You can’t get Amaleki citizenship on your own and become liable all of a sudden to being annihilated by the Jews. You must be born as part of the group. Sheesh. Must every obvious idea be explained? Indeed there is no seichel left anymore. Just. An idiotic lack of common Sense. How stupid we have become.
Maybe you think race only has what to do w skin color. I assure you it does not. It refers to common ancestry. (Caucasian anybody?) Which is why people of one race generally have similar physical characteristics.
Now even being Jewish is essentially a racial thing bc the Jewish nation started w אברהם יצחק and יעקב and the שבטים. Now it is not totally racial since what ultimately defined us as a nation was maamad har Sinai and that bris is open to gerim as well. Nevertheless, a ger a absorbed into the race of the avos/shvotim. We are still a distinct race. Just one that accepts outsiders who also sayאלקי אבותינו אלקי אברהם אלקי יצחק ואחרי יעקבbc our race became intertwined w an idea that overrides our race.
Btw , we even have racial division within klal Yisroel – i.e. the 12 shvotim. This has caused problems. Like the אפרים מנשה bqcivil war, the refusal of the majority of the Jewish people to accept Dovid as melech…. Even today in Israel people who belittle morrocans etc are calledגזענים. And of course the morrocans in turn are גזעני to the תימנים. And the תימנים, well…שמים פס על כווולם. Lovely aint it?
Charlie: The concept of race is completely absent from the Torah.
Really. So Amalek is not a race we need to exterminate, Moav Amon and Mitrayim are not races with restrictions on entering klal Yisroel.
The concept of 70 ummos haolam – למשפחותם ללשונותם is not a Torah concept.
Ok. So we see that you are a complete stranger to Torah but a very good friend of your בויך.
how much is the application fee?
Masa? Pell? Tap?
all hear say . . .
Meohr- very warm if you have questions they will answer, very involved staff, not heavy text but text
Macho Ray- ou of the box BY- for the creative/intellictual type serious text
Mesoras Rochel- a yeshiva w/o daf yomi the new “bjj” more updated aspposed to BJJ which I hear has the same curtains as it did when my mother was in sem. . .
any one hear about bnos chana / azamra ? being that they r ou of town- do they cater to an out of town group?
any feedback on keser chaya?
What makes it so hard is it seems to me that almost all the sems sound the same on paper, many have the same teachers who go from sem to sem- so it’s the girls who really give the sem its flavor
I could know a bunch of girls who are applying but how do I know who is going to go in the end?
how do you decide?
each application fee is $100 or more!
to trying my best:
What was it like in Beit Shemesh? Did you feel out of it?
How many times did you go to the kotel? what did you do for yom tov?
like Bnos Chava? that’s intresting wasn’t my impression
Anyone hear of the new sems in Beit Shemesh? Bnos CHana,(halichos it’s the same school) and Azamra?
What are they? what’s it like to be in Beit Shemesh?