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Since most frum Americans live in Brooklyn, we are surely discussing them as much as any. And as you said, a car is not necessarily necessary in Brooklyn.
How many Yidden live out of Brooklyn anyways? Everytime I leave Brooklyn, I see its like 95% goyim.
SJS, why do you assume what you describe (“gallavanting around the country on public transportation”) is any more acceptable?
mosherose, that would only be applicable to the less expensive Chupa ring. The far more expensive “engagement ring”, doesn’t have that problem.
It isn’t rare at all. Many Kollelim offer this partnership. And there are quite a number of takers.
Use this. Always good to have a new Tehilim thread!
Yom Alef: Sacrilege
Yom Beis:
Yom Gimmel:
Yom Daled:
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Yeah, but I doubt its chasidesha shechita, so you still have a problem.
(That’s a joke, btw.)
Seriously, even if a non-frum person used a “kosher” food vendor, theres the possibility the vendor’s kashrus certification is not up to par.
Or to add to da’s question, how could a Kohein EVER enter a tunnel, unless he knew for sure there was NO meis?
(Same when visiting someone in a hospital. There almost always are meisim in a hospital.)
What’s the likelihood of a non-frum (especially anti-religious, but even if not so) person using a truly kosher caterer — especially considering kosher costs much more — for an event?
Very unlikely.
Regarding entering a Reform or Conservative Church, see Igros Moshe O.C. 2:40 and Igros Moshe O.C. 3:25.
Regarding tznius, it should be made absolutely clear that a frum or non frum relative or guest (of either a FFB or BT) is not welcome at a Simcha unless completely dressed per Hilchos Tznius.
Regarding attending an event of a non-frum person, if there is mixed dancing, amongst other issurim (i.e. tznius), it would be prohibited.
mw13, there is a machlokes when shkiyah is, with many poskim ruling it is 40 to 58 1/2 minutes later than what is commonly referred to as shkiyah.
Whenever you hold shkiyah is, it is best to daven mincha right before that shkiyah.
Horrified – 5 minutes on Shemoneh Esreh is usually sufficient time for many people.
As far as devening late, it is actually an inyan (i.e. better) to daven Mincha as late as possible.
frumladygit: And where did you find your bubbe maisa statistics regarding Lakewood and the “biggest” drug and alcohol problem? Clearly your ignorance of the facts resulted in that libel.
Anonym613: Another reason you cannot attend a non-Orthodox wedding, in addition to the reasons enumerated earlier in the thread, in the inevitable lack of tznius that will take place at the event.
You can look good without makeup, just like Bais Yaakov girls do.
Its okay to wear makeup ON a date. There isn’t a justification to wear it all the time because you are in shidduchim.
pba, anon613 was referring to the BT’s non-frum family (not the BT themselves obviously.)
The Gemorah in Shabbos 62b says that a reason for the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash was women used excessive cosmetics, and that a women should care about her appearance for the purposes of not being repulsive to her husband.
Typically the girls family pays for the wedding hall.
Going against the minhug hamokem is a breach in both halacha and proper etiquette.
Who is this history professor Assaf or Samet? Anything like the apikorus history professor Gershom Sholem? Lets hear from Talmidei Chachomim, not history professors.
simcha613: From the OP: “it says in Chazal that the Gedolim of every generation have Ruach HaKodesh”.
What “different” definition of lo shinu es malbusheihem are you referring to?
I’m with WIY all the way on this one. Well said. It truly is sad when people feel the liberty to make light at Daas Torah.
so Rabbanim have the right to call other Rabbanim apikursim.
The Rambam says someone who, in the course of his Torah learning, makes an honest mistake, misunderstands something he sees in the Torah, and erroneously derives from the Torah a belief that is actually Apikorsus – the Rambam holds this person is an Apikores. (The Raavad holds that he is not, however, he agrees that even though the person himself is not considered an Apikores, his mistaken belief is indeed considered Apikorsus.)
SJS, I’m glad you chose the appropriate category for this post — HUMOR & ENTERTAINMENT!
I like that idea Josh31. Starting the boys with hats several years before the Bar Mitzvah (as some communities already do) would be a wonderful idea.
Many Yidden do start giving a hat to children under Bar Mitzvah. In any event, Yekke’s and Sefardim start wearing taleisim at Bar Mitzvah. And in all cases they start wearing tefilin then (or very shortly beforehand.) So surely Bar Mitzvah is an appropriate age to start.
We’ll have to see what mamashtakah, the one who quoted this Rebbe (more than once, if I’m not mistaken), has to say to that.
More than once indeed. Except last time (4 months ago) Moreinu v’Rabeinu HaGaon Shloimala Rosenbaum, shlita was the “Admor of Sherputz”: CLICK HERE, before recently being instated as the “Admor of Shaputnik” (per above) by mamashtakah.
The yeshivish world did not feel a need to dress differently than the goyim.
Incorrect. Yidden have always dressed differently than the goyim. It is one of our hallmarks. Ever since there has been Yidden. A Yid dressed like a Yid.
Most people who had gone to therapy sometime before marriage for issues with an overbearing parent or life’s stresses will not be passing on that information to anyone, including shadchanim and dates, anymore than they would mention their visit to a foot doctor 3 years prior. So generally you’ll never know of it in either event.
WIY & Sister: Thank You.
normally in a home the husband sleeps in the same room as his wife then he doesn’t have to sleep in the sukkah.
Sister, that doesn’t make much sense. I would hope all husbands “sleeps in the same room as his wife”. That would negate the entire mitzvah if then “he doesn’t have to sleep in the sukkah.”
Well said yitzy99.
Thank You Mr. Yid for sharing your thoughts.
SJS, that statement said practicing gays should be welcomed and honored in schools and shuls!
And the so-called ills of chariedi society you attribute, are actually worse on all accounts via-a-vis the MO.
And did you miss Moq’s point the difference is the permissive ideology? NOT the individual sins – that are NOT condoned by anyone. NO rabbi said tax cheating is okay.
Sacrilege, its true it isn’t incumbant upon the in-laws to offer that support. But nor is it incumbent upon the bochor to marry their daughter if the support isn’t offered.
SJS: Is it my fault you ate lunch at 11:00? Whoever heard of such an early lunch…
APY: Girls have historically provided dowries even if not “the BEST bachur”.
When you hear the various stories of rabbonim helping raise hachnosos kallah for a poor bride’s dowry, the indigent brides weren’t marrying what you call top bachur.
Who said it is worse today than it was in previous generations?
I completely agree with Kapusta. There are way too many unnecessary divorces. I would venture and say most divorces are avoidable.
Right Wing Orthodoxy also has its well known aveiros (they are more likely to hide molesters, cheat on taxes, pull lots of money shtick, and speak a ton of lashon hara compared to the MO groups I’ve seen)
That is all sheker, SJS. Molesters, need I remind you of the well known MO molester who was allowed in his high position at a major MO org for decades? And then when they came forward, their internal beis din backed him up against the girls? Taxes? Need I list all the MO who were in the news for financial crimes? Loshan hora? Another aveira – like the others you brought up – that MO are much bigger on than non-MO frum.
APY: Dowry.
SJS: There is nothing wrong with government support that is legal and available. Yidden shouldn’t not accept what they qualify for, when other yidden pay tons of taxes and other goyim take advantage of the system to is maximum legal extent. A yeshivaleit is no less.
tell me if being a true blue kollel couple is possible at all without support
Yes, it is very possible.
Like I said, not everyone takes this approach. Those who do, should be praised. As far as the girls parents supporting, I am pointing out that the girls parents making a large dowry is not a new phenominon. We always hear old stories of how tzadikim raided “Hachnoses Kallah” so the kallah can pay a dowry and get married.