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The Rebbe is a godol b’yisroel and takes his direction from the Torah. So your question is redundant.
Conservative conversions are the same junk as Reform. Both movements are outside Judaism.
He’s been very adamant he is serious many times. And he’s been posting for nearly two years, along the same lines.
I missed this whole thread being in the hospital with my son who fractured his skull
from the fighting?
modernish?
shomer negiah?
Rental Day
Wikipedia:
Flatbush was originally chartered as the Dutch Nieuw Nederland colony town of Midwout in 1651. Both names were used in the Dutch era, and Midwood was an alternative name for Flatbush into the early 20th century. Midwood now describes the area immediately south of Brooklyn College. Midwood’s residents predominately feature a mix of Orthodox Jews and Irish Americans.
Many people erroneously refer to Midwood as being “part of Flatbush”, an older and more established neighborhood and former township which in the 19th century included modern Midwood. Many also consider the nearby neighborhood of Fiske Terrace/Midwood Gardens to be part of Midwood, but, as in many cities, neighborhood boundaries in Brooklyn are somewhat fluid and poorly-defined. The name, Midwood, derives from the Dutch word, “Midwout” (middle woods), the name the settlers of New Netherland called the area of dense woodland midway between the towns of Boswyck (Bushwick) and Breuckelen (Brooklyn). Later, it became part of old Flatbush, situated between the towns of Gravesend and Flatlands.[2]
[6] Flatbush’s eastern border is roughly around New York Avenue , while its western border is Coney Island Avenue. Neighborhoods within Flatbush include the planned communities of Prospect Park South, Beverley Square West, Beverley Square East, Prospect-Lefferts Gardens, Ditmas Park, Fiske Terrace and Albemarle-Kenmare Terrace. Bordering Flatbush on the north are the community of Crown Heights and the former neighborhood of Pigtown. On the east, within the old town of Flatbush, is East Flatbush, on the west are Kensington and Parkville (formerly Greenfield), and on the south is Midwood. Many consider Midwood to be a part of Flatbush, but historically it was part of the neighboring former towns of New Utrecht, Gravesend and Flatlands. The Flatbush Post Office is assigned postal zone (ZIP Code) 11226, but the area understood as included in Flatbush extends into other postal zones.
The Flatbush community has been receiving an influx of immigrants from the Caribbean, mostly from Haiti, Trinidad, Jamaica, Grenada, Guyana, Barbados, St. Lucia and Belize[citation needed] since the 1980s, as well as immigrants from India and African countries like Ghana, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, and Kenya. Haitians are the largest ethnic group in Flatbush. While Flatbush today is predominantly African American and West Indian, there are sizable numbers of Caucasians, Latinos and Arabs living within its borders.
Midwood is a neighborhood in the south central part of the New York City borough of Brooklyn, New York, USA, roughly halfway between Prospect Park and Coney Island. The neighborhood is within Community District 14. It is patrolled by the 61, 66th and 70th precincts of the NYPD. It is bounded on the north by the Bay Ridge Branch freight line tracks just above Avenue I and the Brooklyn College campus of the City University of New York, and on the south by Avenue P and Kings Highway. The eastern border is Nostrand Avenue or Flatbush Avenue (depending on whom you ask), and Coney Island Avenue, McDonald Avenue or Ocean Parkway to the west is the other boundary (again, depending upon whom you ask).
But Flatbush is not a frum community. The frum virtually all live in Midwood.
night gown
There is no question as to the boundaries. Midwood is the frum neighborhood and Flatbush is a black one. The issue is why is Midwood incorrectly referred to as Flatbush.
Also, let us not forget the related issue to this topic –
it is assur to say Shemoneh Esrei behind a door – effectively blocking people form entering/exiting due to the discussed 4 amos rule.
enlightenedjew: The first part of your moniker fits you better than the second. How can you compare Sara Imanu to that fornicator?
Kensington is a neighboring neighborhood. No shailas on that one.
charles – the government also supports college. Our taxes pay for those secular colleges.
I think the biggest laugh will be when mosherose (whatever his name irl is) unknowingly marries one of his CR critics here!
al titosh toras imecho
Dumping minhag avos cannot be done on a whim.
In Chareidi schools, even anyone paying “full” price, is being subsidized. Unless your Reichman or someone like that, you are not paying even cost. That applies to even the upper middle class.
Another lesson learned (the hard way) here…
Right now make sure your Talis and Tefilin bags are labeled with your name and phone numbers.
When you see adult siblings fighting (not physically but every other way), is that, generally, a result of their fighting relationship as a child?
Isn’t chicken soup good for a cold and the soul?
Driving like I own the road.
Just search the CR for the threads with the most posts. Pretty simple task.
Perhaps Dov Hikind or David Greenfield can have some “pull” with the MTA to transfer this to a shul until the owner is located.
Dr. Pepper –
Sorry for my curtness (especially saying wrong), I regretted that quickly — but not quick enough to edit. I just was disappointed in the “tone” of your original post, but even that was due to a misunderstanding on my part, considering your recent clarification. My apologies again.
I hope you agree with this…
I do in fact.
I’m apologize for being purposely vague over here…
I didn’t quite get that, but do agree with your point. Although such instances are so rare, I’m surprised it was brought up.
Again, over here, I was being vague…
Again, I missed your point before. Probably due to speed reading. You have a valid question here. Although similarly, someone who entered the general workforce in a low compensated position would be in the same boat in this regard.
Thanks for the clarification.
ROB –
I explained in great detail how kollel guys are not on tzedakah. They are being compensated for a service. (In addition to my point from the Ramah and Shach.)
hashemis1 –
Good question. And there is a good answer to your question. I just don’t remember it at my fingertips. I believe it is along the lines that you can give it as maaser since the “benefit” is spiritual. But don’t quote me on that.
testing testing 123
Kollel IS a job.
Dr. Pepper –
It all depends on where the money comes from. If his parents are supporting him or if his wife is supporting him then yes it is a 100% legitimate form of income. If the money is coming from other sources, which is beyond the scope of this thread, then no, it is not a legitimate source of income.
The difference between being a baseball player and being supported by your fans and learning in Kollel and being supported by the community is that fans decide based on ones performance if they want to pay to watch you play. It’s totally their decision.
Wrong (to put it bluntly.) All the tzadikim supporting the Bnei Torah are giving the money voluntarily; no less than when you buy that Yankees ticket. Except they get a lot more out of it than you get from that Yankee (or Red Sox) ticket.
Kollel is not Tzedakah for aniyim. There is a big difference. Kollel support is support in return for learning. Tzedakah is support in return for nothing. As long as I am earning your support – regardless of whether it is through defending you in court or learning Choshen Mishpat – I am employed. None of this “living off tzedakah” material has anything to do with kollel people. This is a common error. Tzedakah means that I give you money for no other reason that you need it – I do not demand anything in return for my donation. If I do demand something in return for my donation, it is not a donation but payment for services rendered. So if I pay you to entertain me, to be my personal trainer, to sing and dance for me, to be my baby sitter, I am not a baby sitter living off charity, but rather a paid worker. And so the statements about people living off tzedakah refer to people who are given money because they are poor, with no expectation from the donor that they learn, or work, or sleep, or do whatever they want. However, if someone gives money to you because he wants to merit the zechus of supporting Torah, and expects you to learn Torah because that is what he is supporting you to do, then that is not tzedakah at all but rather a simple business deal, the same as if I pay you to play baseball.
If I give you tzedakah money because you are poor, and you sit home all day watching television, then you may be an unproductive member of society but you are not a thief – I gave you tezdakah for food, and you are spending it on food. It was my choice to do that. But if I give you money to learn in Kollel and you stay home all day watching TV then you are a thief, because you took money specifically to learn and you did not keep your end of the bargain. Thus, taking money for learning in Kollel is NOT living of tzedakah. Since I, the recipient, must provide something in return for payment received, that is a simple business deal. If I do NOT have to provide anything in return for payment received, that is Tzedakah. Since Kollel people must learn Torah in return for the payments they receive, they are NOT living at all off Tzedakah. Not any more than any person who renders services for payment received. (As an aside, incidentally and for the record, the Halachah is that you are nowadays ALLOWED to live off Tzedakah to learn – see the Ramah and Shach in Hilchos Talmud Torah).
Regarding maaser – The maaser goes to the Yeshiva. The Yeshiva pays the Kollel. The Maaser is only going to them in return for and under the condition that they learn. This is not living off Tzedakah. This is a receipt of money in exchange for doing something, which is not the same as living off Tzadakah. This is providing a service that is considered valuable to those who provide the payment. it is no different than a singer getting money to sing or a baseball player getting money to play. The fact that you are allowed to use your maaser to support these fellows is no different than the fact that you are allowed to use your maaser to support Tzedakah organizations that pay fundraisers, administrators and other workers. Maaser is not the same as Tzedakah. Nobody would consider the head of Hatzolah as someone who “lives off tzedakah” even though he is paid through donations given to the organization. The same thing applies to someone who learns, and because he learns, is supported by whatever source, including maaser.
Is this normal if it were girls (rather than boys)?
Moderator-80 (and myself) disagrees with you. See his comment on this thread.
All Chazals that encourage people to work are also fulfilled by our Kollel people, and only exclude someone who has no means of support. Learning in Kollel is 100% a legitimate parnasa. If I become a baseball player and I have people pay to watch me play ball, that’s OK, but if I become a scholar and have people pay me to learn – that’s not?? If I got a job in a think-tank thinking of stuff all day, that’s wonderful – but if I get a job in Kollel thinking of Chidushei Torah that’s not?? Why should learning be any less? B’H today we have people who specifically want to support Kollelim, similar to Yissachar-Zevulun. If I were hired by these people to dance for them, I would be considered having a job. And it is no worse if they hire more to learn and provide them with Olam Habah instead of entertainment.
The Rama says it is a Midas Chasidus – praiseworthy – for someone who can become a Gadol B’Torah and make an independent living, but continues that not everyone is capable of this. It is clear that he is saying that if you have a choice between becoming a Godol B’Torah or making a living, becoming a Godol B’Torah comes first. But a Talmid Chacham does not have to be “employed.” The Vilna Gaon had no “job.” He was not the local Rabbi, Rosh Yeshiva, or anything. He was like the Aron Kodesh. In our days, the Chazon Ish, the Steipler, and yibd”l Rav Chaim Kanievsky had/have no “jobs”. Each are an Aron HaKodesh. Not everyone will become Moshe Rabbeinu, to be sure, but everyone should try to come as close as they can. And everyone admits that being Moshe Rabbeinu is something to look up to, strive for, and admire. Even if most of us don’t ever make it there. So too even if many people will not learn all day, we all must recognize that it is certainly a higher level, it is a prize and privilege and merit that we should all try to attain, since it provides us with a higher spiritual level, and reaching the highest level possible in this world is our goal. Today, thank G-d we live in a society where many, many people can learn all day. They recognize, BH, that learning Torah is better for your soul than practicing law. Or accounting. Or writing software. No question about it.
As Rav Hutner ZT’L used to point out – every utensil in the Bais HaMikdash had some kind of Avodah done with it. Except the Aron. The Aron did nothing but exist. The Aron represents the Talmid Chachom, the container of the Torah. It does not need to do any act. Its very presence is its success.
Always in a RUSH. I even EAT too fast.
Probably because in the CR no one knows who IRL it is you are talking about (assuming that is the case.)
I think everybody ought to carefully read (*the entire comment*) what Moderator-80 wrote on this thread about Moshe Rose. Moderator-80 is spot on.
LOL!
Wolf: The underlying reason why Avrohom Avinu didn’t look at his wife, was for purposes of tznius.
charles, watch your words. which godol is on the record as having supported Mike Bloomberg? (Also, the mayor of NYC has no legal input on toeiva marriage laws or the power to veto it. But that is a secondary issue.)
So what IS the lesson from this maaisa of Avrohom not having looked at Sara?
Tznius.
Can someone explain the difference in taste, and nutrients, between unpasteurized/non-homogenized milk and pasteurized/homogenized milk?
Penalize yourself (i.e. financially) when you don’t do what you are supposed to. Make sure the penalty is meaningful.
I don’t give other’s the attention they deserve.
The overwhelmingly most important advantage of learning in Kollel is that you are learning. Simple as that. Torah learning is the highest, greatest, most glorious form of Avodas Hashem, which will get for you the greatest share in Olam Habah possible, much much more and much much greater than any other thing you can do for Hashem, including any other type of Mitzvos. Learning Torah brings by far the greatest nachahs to Hashem, the greatest benefits to Klal Yisroel, and the greatest benefits to those who do the learning, than anything else you can possibly do. Hands down, no contest. That’s why we learn.
Talmud Torah Kneged Kulam. But it’s not a question of Halachah, not l’chatchilah not b’dieved. It’s simply this: If I showed you a pile of coins and gave you 1 hour to collect as much as you can, you would spend as much time gathering the gold as you could. Torah is the greatest Mitzvah – one word of Torah, Chazal say, is more holy than an entire lifetime of doing Mitzvos. And we have one lifetime to gather our gold. Someone who appreciates that doesn’t care if he is halachicly obligated of not. Everyone agrees that learning Torah is gold. Even if you are not halachicly obligated to run after it.
There are tons more good reasons — like the effect it has on your home, on your Mitzvah performance, on your personality, on your children — all of which are excellent reasons. But the main reason is, that our goal in this world is to go higher and higher. And there is no better way to go higher than to learn. Nothing even close.