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BTGuyParticipant
Well, Medium Shize Shadchen.
After reading more of your post, I have to say that as one who was inspired to go further, in part, by Matiyahu’s ahavas Yisrael, which he put forth in such a beautifully creative and artistic way, his message and influence and inspiration is in no way diminished one iota. As a man, I dare say he is a precious and sensitive soul.
I owe him tremendous hakaras hatov, and much of the kavana in my davening should be a zcheus to him, as well.
I cannot count how many times in the past year, when davening became rote, or I was looking at my watch, that I thought about the depth and emotion of specific songs of his, and subsequently moved into deep, heartfelt prayer to our Creator.
Those that never liked him anyway are finding this time a golden opportunity to be critical, yet they may be the ones who contributed to his current soul-searching.
But I welcome you to share an attitude that is not a turn off, but one that inspires, as what Matisyahu’s music does even now, during his personal struggle, and I hope, temporary fall.
BTGuyParticipantI agree with mewho. If you find someone who is pleasant to be with, then all the other things should fall into place in a compatible way.
BTGuyParticipantHello Medium Size Shadchen.
I hear your point, but not all of us have been able to successfully beat all our challenges; big and small, although I hope we do. I am glad you have, though.
And I am glad you are not taking a harsh stance on someone you never even met or have any clue as to the complexities or goings on in their private life. That shows kindness and wisdom on your part.
Otherwise, you may have ruled he is just a bad man.
BTGuyParticipantIn the Chasidish mikvah I go to before Shabbos, the first time I went, someone told to dip 3 times. Once for purity, once for kedusha, and once for Shabbos. Anyone know if anything is behind that?
BTGuyParticipantHi mdd.
I am reluctant to say you are wrong at this point. But such a severe statement, if taken in context, and if it means in all cases and not a specific case, should be backed up with more specifics like what sefer, perek, and posuk does Rashi make this comment.
BTGuyParticipantMaybe they just starting wearing a hat and really like it? ; )
Actually, if someone wore or took off their hat while eating, to me, it makes no difference. I really dont see how I would be more relaxed or feel more respected if someone took off their hat. If they took off their shoes while eating, then I would take notice of their socks.
BTGuyParticipantThat statement had to be made by a man. And it is not such an intelligent statement. The real intelligence are from the ones who lets the others feel they are more intelligent.
BTGuyParticipantAre you sure you are right about “could have done better”? How could you know? Things are what they are. Maybe you imagine you could have done better.
Remember: The grass aint greener, the wine aint sweet, either side of the hill. ~ Gershon Garciawitz.
BTGuyParticipantHatzlacha!
I dont know, maybe it’s just me, but your sister sounds like an accountant in the making. Is she sure she knows enough about the field to make in informed decisions. She seems to have the skills and disposition to be successful in that field.
Just something to rethink.
BTGuyParticipantWell, since kids grow up so quickly and the aged are living longer so that 70 is like the new 50, it is only a matter of time before the generations criss-cross each other and the kids are older than the grandparents and the grandparents are younger than their children, as long as current trends continue.
BTGuyParticipantWhy would they start?
Ignorance, lack of self-control, peer pressure; a whole host of reasons unbecoming of a person with any substance or intelligence.
BTGuyParticipantSomeone considering murder should not be a member of my shul.
His kids can go to yeshiva. He should not be allowed to drop them off or pick them up, however.
BTGuyParticipantHi taka.
I dont know if there is anyway to come to grips with it and mitigate the emotional sorrow we all feel when these things, nebuch, happen.
Somehow we have to try to understand it is all in Hashem’s plan, and these cases are for advanced learners, at best.
All I can say is that whether someone lives 13 years or 123 years, the result is the same for everyone. And whether one lives for 13 or 123 years, those ages seem like a small difference when placed in perspective with how long eternity is once the neshama has reached it’s destination.
I guess allow yourself to feel upset and perplexed about this. There is no easy way to come to grips with this on this side of the fence.
Wishing everyone a healthy and happy 120 years!
BTGuyParticipantHatzlacha!
Did you try Jewish agencies like PCS, Aguda Yisrael?
BTGuyParticipantIt is an expression of misery.
It started when a man was forced to go to the opera with his wife.
45 minutes into the opera the man was ready to plotz. Looking at his watch every minute,and after what seemed like hours, he turned to his wife and said he could not take it anymore, and was begging to know if they can leave now.
His wife calmly turned to him and said, “We are not leaving. It aint over until the fat lady over there sings”. At that point, the man shot himself.
True story.
The irony is that this story was subsequently made into an opera.
BTGuyParticipantIs it possible I am having a Purim flashback?
BTGuyParticipantI dont know of any, offhand.
BTGuyParticipantlol @ Say…lol Thanks.. : )
BTGuyParticipantIf she is the last person on earth?
BTGuyParticipantNot sure if anyone else received the text going around about this:
A man in NYC was about to be arrested for having a large can of soda. Before they could put the cuffs on him, he was able to show proof that he was drinking medical Mountain Dew.
BTGuyParticipantI can only speak about the cd’s “Youth” and “Light”.
They are beautiful in both musical composition and style, as well as in lyrics. The Ahavas Yisrael is inspiring, and dont take that lightly.
Should yidden avoid reading Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? Listening to Beethoven? Looking at paintings by the masters? Show hate and rejection to kids from frum families who are “staying at a friends house for Shabbos” only to go into the city together and smoke and drink and go to clubs, and worse? Just turn your back on them? Like they are not there?
Matisyahu is obviously going through something that we dont know about. And he may not totally be at fault. Dan lechaf zcheus.
He is not espousing things like nateuri karta. I dont know what he is going through. But the tone of not listening to him as though it is a way of showing him or yourself you are critical of him, seems petty.
BTGuyParticipantHi bygirl93.
No, I did not watch it. I only went by the original post.
I take your word for it. Even in the telling over, I sense a degree of arrogance from the “rock star”.
June 12, 2012 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm in reply to: Matisyahu – what are you doing with his cds? #886208BTGuyParticipantHi ploniyid,
I suggest you are very unfamiliar with the topic even though you mean well.
Those of us who like Matisyahu’s music before all this happened know very well the criticisms of him parroted in knee-jerk reaction from almost every yid we ever mentioned his name to.
….Please…to say the yidden wanted him to shine, is just naive.
Do you really know about this subject prior to the shaving of his beard?
I have seen him numerous times in concert…how about you? You cant tell someone you went to a concert of his or like his music without 99 percent of fellow yidden having to put him down for more reasons than I can count.
BTGuyParticipantmusicaldignity?
Excuse me?
Nonjewish music?
Here are three points to ponder:
1. I have heard from reliable sources that music (not lyrics) is not considered non-Jewish unless it makes you dance to a certain degree, of which does not happen these days.
2. I have heard from reliable sources that many of the tunes we sing in shul may have originated from places like the Polish military, secular songs in Europe, and even choir or church-like music.
3. I know many reliable sources, as frum as can be, who like classical music EVEN if the composer was an antisemite.
Ok..another point to ponder: Being a BT…I cannot tell you how many songs I hear on Jewish radio where the musicians are throwing in instrumentation directly from the Beatles, Eric Clapton, Rod Stewart, and other such artists. In fact, if they studied music formally, they would almost have had to learn those guitar and piano riffs from a legitimate teacher.
So…….
BTGuyParticipantLife is strange. Who knows? Perhaps this confused, self-centered, rock star took advantage of a golden opportunity and will amass amazing merit. He believed enough to care for them. Why he neglects himself is a curious thing.
I may be wrong, but in some cases with people who should know better, even embarrassing someone like this may be permissible. Dont quote me on it; correct me if I am wrong.
BTGuyParticipantHey Wolf,
You misunderstand. It is not about you. The scope of the topic was a complaint about OU.
Some people were critical of the person questioning the validity of an OU hechsher for a certain case.
You gave as a support to your view something of the tone that if you are going to avoid OU, then you will have very little to choose from.
The implications were that the kashrus/treif issue COULD be compromised based on having less choices of food.
That point just stood out begging to be addressed.
You are not shallow!
BTGuyParticipantHi Wolf,
I dont want to box you into a corner, but again, your statement that, “it’s a matter of practicality” is a bit shallow.
We do not live as Jews for the sole reason the things we do are practical.
Again, maybe you didnt really mean to ask, that if someone does not want to eat OU because of the credibility of the hechsher, “Then what would you eat?”
BTGuyParticipantHi PBA.
There is nothing wrong with kids taking all the seats AND stacking them to see who can stack higher. Adults can stand so the food goes straight to their feet and not their stomachs.
BTGuyParticipantHi tahini,
There is no smarter community than ours. Along with that comes a few “know-it-alls”. And part of being a “know-it-all” is that you must make the effort to voice your view and influence others.
This trait can be found, though, in all circles, and it is one that individuals have to learn to handle. There is always pressure to go with the crowd.
BTGuyParticipantHi pcoz.
I sympathize with your feelings. I am glad I was not there. I may have had something to say. Terrible!!
How is Moshiach suppose to come when so many within the best people on earth still dont get the message. And to the people who laughed? They created, at that moment, a din for every person who ever had a role in their middos development.
Well, I hope that 10 year old girl received all their mitzvos, and will be blessed with all wonderful things.
BTGuyParticipantHi O,
There are many reasons they can be against it.
One which I know is going on is siblings are getting their brothers and sisters friend’s numbers from each others Address list and texting and flirting, and, eventually meeting.
They start out anonymous to feel the other out. And being texting is private, many people go further than they would in public.
In my town, they follow up with meeting at the pizza parlor, 7-11, or lake. And it usually ruins their lives for a while.
This thing is WAY more rampant than adults realize.
June 12, 2012 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm in reply to: Be gentle to your kids. They'll be your parents one day. #879539BTGuyParticipantHey Doped Up (got any extra?)
I would like to add something I heard about kids which I thought was a great saying.
“Spoil your kids a little. Life has a way of balancing things out later on.”
Also, great name, Doped Up….the pharmaceutical companies want meds to be added to the list of staples like milk, eggs, and bread.
BTGuyParticipantHi LAZ,
If there are clean, kosherized books by Shakespeare, they would offer a lot of opportunity to develop reading comprehension and creative analysis as deep as someone can think
BTGuyParticipantHey SG,
I think the first two albums (not familiar with post recordings) are valid and very moving to listen to.
Generally speaking, if someone, chas veshalom, goes off the derech, do their merits prior to that still count for them, especially when they return again?
Incidentally, someone once said no one should take another Jew’s cheshbon.
In Matisyahu’s case, as in all BT’s cases, there are always strong pulls to previous life and habits, which are not always seen by us as being totally worthless or even uncomfortable. It is easy to slip.
ALSO, along the way, some well-intentioned people can turn off a BT by being too controlling and dominating and smothering, extinguishing the very light that motivated the BT in the first place.
For me, I have made up my mind that no one person is going to interfere with my relationship with Hashem. But I can see how many BTs can get turned off.
Matisyahu “saw the light”, I am sure he is not so far off as one may think. I would bet he is going through something, which is his business, and will be back, iy’H.
Bottom line: Matiyahu wrote the most beautiful Jewish music I have ever heard. Bottom line: He received a lot of hatred from his people. Bottom line: I know this because everytime I mentioned I saw him in concert or like his music, you would not believe the backlash of criticism I heard from yidden about him, and from those who never saw him in concert or heard his music. They just parroted the motzei shem rah, not knowing what they were talking about.
I bet that lead to him falling off.
BTGuyParticipantA few people have mentioned it already that one cannot assume they are kosher, and I am betting that probably they are not.
I know Lubavitch go out to have people put on tefillin. They approached me last Sunday, with baseball cap, at Six Flags. They may even give a pair away, although I am not promising.
And to avoid controversy about Lubavitch, to me they are wonderfully Jewish and do wonderful kiruv to those severely unaffiliated in the most remote of places.
BTGuyParticipantIf he has talent and is demonstrating it and entertaining, hatzlacha to him. As long as he upholds high standards of conduct, it is a kiddush Hashem, in my opinion.
Suppose I said a religious Jew took a job of second in command of the largest empire in the world? Would people say it was bad for the Jews?
Suppose I told you a prominent religious Jewish person took a job as the chief medical doctor of a ruler in the non-Jewish world?
Suppose I said another great religous Jew conferred with secular, non-Jewish scholars on the linguistics of the French language AND incorporated that language into his limudei kodesh works.
And on and on…. Of course there is the “recommended” path, but sometimes, if one is careful, and they walk the path less walked, we should not be so quick to run out with pitchforks and torches.
BTGuyParticipantHi TU.
If he has talent and is demonstrating it and entertaining, hatzlacha to him. As long as he upholds high standards of conduct, it is a kiddush Hashem, in my opinion.
Suppose I said a religious Jew took a job of second in command of the largest empire in the world? Would people say it was bad for the Jews?
Suppose I told you a prominent religious Jewish person took a job as the chief medical doctor of a ruler in the non-Jewish world?
Suppose I said another great religous Jew conferred with secular, non-Jewish scholars on the linguistics of the French language AND incorporated that language into his limudei kodesh works.
And on and on…. Of course there is the “recommended” path, but sometimes, if one is careful, and they walk the path less walked, we should not be so quick to run out with pitchforks and torches.
BTGuyParticipantHey blackhatwannabe…how did it go?
I hope you (and everyone else) had a great Shabbos! : D
BTGuyParticipantHi Sam2,
As always, I respect your opinion.
But to me, a black hat is just one of the symbols representative of entering the portal of Torah Judaism. While the hat, like a kippa, holds no kedusha on it’s own, it is, nontheless, indicative of a symbol of Jewishness on a Torah level and dignifies a Torah environment.
It would ring dissonant to me to see the the same attire, including a black hat as part of the conservative, reform, and reconstruction environments.
That is just my reaction. For the record, I know some who wear a black hat who are new and very weak in their learning and ability to daven. I do not look down upon them at all.
In a way, it’s like when I was starting out and called up for an aliyah. I really questioned my worthiness to be called up. Maybe I am wrong for that.
But the main point is that blackhatwannabe be should wear his new black hat with great enjoyment, and enjoy the best Shabbos! Someday soon, iy”H, I would like to do the same.
BTGuyParticipantlol zeeskite.
When I go to daven: donations.
When I go to a wedding: donations.
When I go online, now: donations.
We should just print the money we need like Obama.
BTGuyParticipantHi Say.
I guess I was making an obtuse point about the repetition of new threads with the same topic of the “last” something or other for Coffee Room…lol Oh, well…..
Hi mo.
Very possible……. lol
BTGuyParticipantHi Say.
Thank you…and I will say it again, too. I hope you had a nice refreshing sleep. lol. 36 hours without sleep? Oy!
BTGuyParticipantHi Say.
I hope you had a refreshing sleep, and in general, have a good,
deep sleep. : )
BTGuyParticipantHi Wolf,
What kind of statement is that in that if you are not going to eat OU, you will not have a lot to eat?
That point is irrelevant, at best, to the point PBA is bringing up regarding the reliability of the hechsher.
In fact, there is a big concern in what PBA is saying and it should not be poo pooed.
I heard a speaker from the OU and they have daily issues checking on the validity of their hechsherim with such things as if Rabbis visit the food sites enough, rather than just call in to see if everything is fine.
Additonally, the OU admits to relying, to a degree, our help in notifying them of any concerns we may have about food facilities, packaging and labeling, etc.
A valid point and something to watch out for. All the efforts we put into eating correctly, l’shaim, shemayim, we do not want to ruin it, chas veshalom, by eating something anyway, as you are vaguely suggesting.
For all those who think something is not right and you call the OU…THANK YOU!
BTGuyParticipantHi lakewhut.
So, you are saying you did not need my advice? lol
You made a mistake. I said black hats look sharper with the brim down (and I hope you are not taking offense to that..),
It was the post beneath mine which gave the sterling advice of, and I quote, “Wear it on your head :)”, end quote. You cant beat that for geniusian advice, can you? ; )
Also, I hear the people who say a black hat is not attached to any particular madreiga. I agree.
But for me, and where I came from, out of respect, I do feel a certain level of madreiga should be acquired.
Anyway, to get back on topic, blackhatwannabe, and everyone else. Have a great Shabbos!!!
BTGuyParticipantOkay…here is a riddle.
‘Threads or the last day of CR’, ‘Threads of the last post’, and ‘Repeat’ were on a boat.
Threads of the last day of CR and Threads of the last post fell off.
Who was left?
Exactly! NOT! lol
BTGuyParticipantHey Wolf,
Very funny!
Are you the guy who came up with:
1. Remove food from package before eating
2. Add ice for cold drink
3. To put camera down, see page 5
4. Wear hat on your head
5. Lather then rinse
6. Place socks on either foot.
How aMUSing…. : D
BTGuyParticipantThe issue of the tissue? I wouldn’t touch it.
BTGuyParticipantMazel Tov!
I mean that sincerely. I am not up to that level, even though people tell me I should get a black hat. While I dont judge others who want to wear a black hat who are not yeshivish, for me, I think a certain level of competence in learning has to be achieved to wear one.
While some may think its no big deal, to me, I think it is fantastic that you are doing this, and it says a lot about your growth and commitment, which benefits all of us.
The only tip I have is to wear it with the brim down. It look sharp. I think the brim up and the hat sitting on the back of the head is not as cool.
Have the best Shabbos ever, and enjoy your black hat!
: )
BTGuyParticipantWell if the Submit button is jumpy, maybe it should switch to decaffeinated anyway.
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