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If you love hot chips, I would not sweat it. Actually the spiciness is very healthy. Some people eat hot sauce with every meal. I use Turmeric and Paprika almost every day. Perhaps check the ingredients for MSG or something, as smartcookie suggested. Maybe let us know the ingredients. It may be a fairly healthy snack.
Make a point to eat vegetables and fruits daily to scrub out anything you may eat that is not so good. The body is fairly resilient to adjusting to a food that may not be so good for you, if that is the case here. I mean, depending on the ingredients, this may be a great snack. I say enjoy them in moderation.
Refuah Shelayma!!!!!
Priceless! lol
Cinderella, I would like to say that from personal experience, what has worked have been people who clicked with me personally, who just gave me the information straight, without judging me or checking on how much I was absorbing. Also, they modeled the behavior and attitudes they wanted me to have. They may or may not have been aware of how much any of them influenced me. I will tell you that while every Rabbi I had the privilege of learning from taught me and modeled many things for me, not everything sunk in, but many things did, and I am eternally grateful.
To me, it is like a giant jigsaw puzzle, and you have a chance to give someone pieces to that puzzle. I would say just say to be extra careful not to expect rapid change or even change you are aware of, and to give over the information as it is, and be friendly, welcoming, and there for them, even if they seem difficult. Let them be them, but give them the proper Jewish perspective on any and all topics without making them feel what they are doing now is wrong. They want to please and do the right thing.
Its almost like putting a variety of foods on the table and they will pick and take what they want. It is a lot of work to do that, but you are aiding in building a neshama. And, yes, there will be backsliding and times they seem to be going backwards.
Also, dont get overwhelmed. There is too much for you to teach. A great man who I learned with (he was over 90 years old) saw I was getting overwhelmed since learning one thing led to another and on and on, and it was difficult for me to apply things even though I bought into them in concept/hashkafah.
To help me with that he said to me the following: “You are walking down a road and you come across the biggest treasure chest you have ever seen. It is loaded with diamonds, gold, rubies, emeralds… That is what Judaims is. And it is all for you. And while you cannot take all the contents with you, you should know it is always there for you to go to and take something with you, as much as you like, and as often as you like.” That is the metaphor he gave me about coming close to Torah Judaism. And I still consider myself growing; sometimes faster than at other times.
In short, as long as you are a vehicle for teaching over the information, no matter who the person is, know something will stick, and it is in your merit.
Hatzlacha
Hatzlacha in your creative endeavor. Keep us posted!
Yes, there seems to be a sense of elitism in all camps and even within camps, from a good number of people. It’s a bit of a turnoff and gaiva.
Jothar, you are not alerting people to dangers. You are sloppily creating loshon hora and dan lekaf zcheus issues for all of us by not handling your suspicions behind the scenes with email warnings or waiting for a real problem.
You can not run amok among everyone in the name of good hoping to find someone doing wrong while stepping on the toes of good people.
Specific cases in point: 1. You posted asking people what time they daven. 2. You asked for information, in the name of alumni, on how to effectively track people.
My point is this: I have seen more than one person post less “mining” points and you vigorously confronted them in public in their threads in an accusatory way, which you mistakenly thought was preventative.
That is not ok with me and you are bringing all of us in to loshon hora and dan lekaf zcheus issues by confronting things impuslively. Yes, impulsively. You were wrong in all those cases of posters you confronted. They were not criminals. But you hide behind a good cause and move your merry way and get away with it.
Internet security concerns are not unique to you, even if you want to be the poster child. We want internet security, but what you are doing is making people afraid and offending innocents in the process. How is that a just way to handle things?
Refuah Shelayma!!!!!!!!!!!!
You make a good case for being brief. You are not in the briefcase business, are you?? I can use a new one.
Sam2, that was what I was feeling and you said it well. I am not saying Health is wrong. I just thought the argument to get to the conclusion was somehow loosely wired. I am still curious for a definitive answer in this case on if chiyuv means an obligation, and where that obligation is rooted, or if chiyuv is being used to say one strongly likes the idea and is supportive of it.
Signing off with, The Dude, depends on who you are. If you are a Rosh Yeshiva, I would say its not so good.
Be who you are. Know you are to be a light unto them by doing your job well. And, know they are people who you can learn from as well. I have worked in such an environment and it was an eye-opener for me to see how the inside of almost any person has waters that run far deeper than what one might expect from outside appearances.
lol…I love the way you put that… “Do they feel ready to settle down…or do they still want to go and have fun?”
I think deciding to marry is a scary proposition to anyone. But you are right in that an critical ingredient is to be mature enough to make a commitment.
Hatzlacha on your path to anticrastination.
Ok, charlie brown, you had your say. You made some good and insightful points.
You made some excellent points also. Thank you.
Atlantic City
onegoal. lol
Jothar, that is rather a blunt request that does not serve to support “Chicken Little” behavior which should be handled professionally and not within other peoples’ conversational threads. You have solved no crimes but ruffled some feathers in the process, is all. But I appreciate your ebullience.
Jothar, this is progressing from a difference of outlook and opinion into something else, and I dont want to do that. You are my brother. You are a good person. You learn more than I do and I am grateful you are supporting the world spiritually, and I have love for you. I am off the internet security topic.
charlie brown. With all due respect, this is getting ridiculous. I now understand there was a real problem. Still, that does not mean I enjoy the threads of each topic being interrupted by the possibility of “they sky is falling”.
If someone suspects something, there should be a direct email to make a report. It should not be a public interruption to an otherwise pleasant coffee room setting.
In answer to your query: Taking an extreme and exaggerated point to mitigate a different point can be enlightening. But I dont think it applies here. Things are done in degrees and we both are comfortable posting but dont want to give out our SS numbers here. That does not mean a self-appointed vigilante is either necessary or should interrupt other people. I have read countless interruptive posts from them and have not seen one suspicion have any merit. Let those who truly work for this site and the internet provides truly protect us professionally.
Its not worth creating arguments over. That is not my goal at all. I pretty much said all I have to say on this topic. Everyone does have a right to post their sincere thoughts. I took my position when I saw some people had their toes stepped on. Enough.. I am bored with it.
Has your friend ruled out any light medical conditions relating to thyroid or hormone concerns?
Hi onegoal. If I dont have to work until six, then I catch a Mincha/Maariv at 5:45pm. Otherwise, I catch Maariv at 7pm. I hope you are not mining for information with such a “phishy” question, because I would be the guy with the black pants, white shirt, black shoes, and velvet kippa. Should I worry??? lol
“Stop with the “shmiras halashon” scream. Enough of that already. We are dealing with a very sick demented mentally disturbed person who intimidates, stalks, harasses people, steals from people, and lots of other illegal behavior.”
I was unaware that a real problem existed. Thank you for taking care of it. Still, Shimras HaLoshon cannot be brushed off because of a real problem existed. The danger of finger pointing in many daily threads and coming up with nothing is a problem for everyone for many reasons.
Give the person calling the fire department a direct line to call in his reports instead of interrupting following the thread of each topic they post in with their suspicions. I am sure not speaking to the topic of any given thread is not within the TOS as it is interruptive and creates displays paranoia.
Incidentally, someone who keeps calling the fire department too often with nothing going on, can be fined. There are ways to handle things. From this point if the person wants to announce their suspicions, I will have to ignore it. But it is highly interruptive to enjoying Coffee Room communication.
Shticky Guy, at the risk on CR Shomrim responding, we have the same last name. Any relation?
GAW…lol a pulse and a yarmulke.
Jothar, why dont you calm down? You are causing ripples in the generally pleasant environment here and disturbing a pleasant flow of communication. And please dont say you are doing a righteous thing so you have permission to step on toes. Additionally, your ability to perceive what others mean, and, again, stepping on a few toes in the process, does not lend you to be one who can “accuse” with any trained level of accuracy. I dont want to harsh your gig, but try to blend and let those in charge handle the safety concerns. What would the point be of being a fireman with no training no fire engine no hose no ladder, but who runs around alarming people shouting, “there may be a fire over there…there may be a fire over there”? There are real fireman who are on the job. You can become one, too. But, until then….easy…
Jothar, who said anyone suggested that anyone did not want to maintain a kesher with their yeshiva???? In fact, I alluded to the fact that alumni do want to be in touch and know how to do that.
Anyway, I hope you find a system you like to keep control over alumni information no matter what purported reason you say it is for.
Thank you for responding again. I see your take on the matter, and you may be right, but I was looking for an objective response regarding my oft repeated question about Rabbi Kamenetzky’s statement about everyone has a chiyuv (obligation) to be mekarev someone, and if it can be based on halacha, or, why you believe it is not based on halacha.
Perhaps someone else can directly answer the question.
Refuah Shalayma!!!
Sorry again Shmaryahu. I have to scroll more.
Sausalito, (CA)
I would also like you to delete their account.
The “B” is silent like in the word “doubt”. The “T” is pronounced like the “pt” in “pterodactyl”, and
the “Guy” part is the common pronunciation sounding like “sky”.
Health, you are making an assumption about it being a schmuz. Nothing wrong with that, but is there a possiblity that Rabbi Kamenetzky’s statement may mean there is a halachic support for it? Is is possible? Or there are such things as a chiyuv not rooted in halacha? I am not saying you are wrong. I am just looking for a precise understanding and the correct answer.
The quote speaks for itself, and if I could post the kiruv site, I would, but we cant do that here.
“Each individual has a Chiyuv to be Mekarev people” ~ Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetzky, SHLITA
As the quote stands, is there any possibility there may be a halachic support. Also, I am interested in knowing what you base your view on. How do you know to say there is no halachic support for there to be a chiyuv to be mekarev someone?
I am not trying to back you into a corner. I apologize if that is how it seems. But I respect your knowledge and see some ambiguity in what we are talking about.
Please, no “possible” scenarios to fit the bill. If someone can explain definitively, that would be great and greatly appreciated.
Well, the reason I asked is that not all yeshivos are the same or may be perceived as doing things in a way that drastically need to bring them into the 21st Century, as you suggest.
Incidentally, many yeshivos do fine with the UPSP. I get alumni and dinner updates in the mail on a weekly, almost daily basis, from yeshivos I never heard of or certainly never attended.
So you want to protect us online here but improve systems to keep track of yeshiva alumni? I think they know how to get in contact with their yeshiva if they want to be kept updated. No?
Health. I cant mention the website, but I am quoting from it:
“Each individual has a Chiyuv to be Mekarev people” ~ Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetzky, SHLITA
So such a statement does not have to be supported in halacha? I am truly seeking
clarification.
Thank you…
Jothar! lol. …you are getting funnier every day; very entertaining.
So you spotted a phishing attempt that was confirmed with a “mod friend of yours”?
How old are you, may I ask?
Albuquerque (New Mexico)
Which yeshiva specifically are you talking about?
According to Jewish values, I think you cant go wrong with any of the Sherlock Holmes stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Mark Twain’s stories are good, too. Life on the Mississippi is good. Also, Booker T Washington, Up From Slavery was a remarkable, memorable, encouraging, and true story.
I say ask a Rabbi. Depending on the details they may say something to the effect that it is a tremendous merit for you not to respond about it and look at it as a kapara. Other times it may be ok to seek clarification to address what may be a misunderstanding or an oversight not intended to upset where the other person may be more than willing to explain some misunderstanding or oversight on their part and clear the problem up right away. Even call Bais Horaah or something like that.
Yes. One is obligated to; therefore, it can be done. It takes effort, but it also takes effort to deal with incompatibility due to bad habits. One way or the other the wise choice to deal with is the work on changing bad habits. Also, changing bad habits is not such a bad thing, either.
Jothar! You have to be putting us on.
Here is the danger in what you are doing by setting yourself up to be a look out, even though you are unsure of many things and have no power to do anything but run around saying the sky is falling:
If two people are talking and they seem to share a common location or know of a nice restaurant in the same area and one asks if they know where so and so pizza shop is, etc., YOU come running in with your badge and boots clopping on the floor and point and say you are stopping a crime in progress.
Well, what exactly is that crime? Also, you should realize you are merely guessing that someone is “mining” information rather than just talking. You are not a trained law enforcement investigator, as far as I know.
The danger of you “outting” someone “you think” is doing something wrong opens you and the rest of us up to a ton of Shmiras HaLoshon problems. AND, if you are wrong you have the problem of if the person leaves or changes their screen name, you can not ask them to be mochel you. That carries for eternity.
I would say if you suspect something, report it to the local internet crimes bureau and let them handle it because a suspicion is not the crime.
Frankly, your monotonous theme is in every one of your posts to the point I am suggestion you are the one with online communication issues.
Stop with the “shmiras halashon” scream. Enough of that already. We are dealing with a very sick demented mentally disturbed person who intimidates, stalks, harasses people, steals from people, and lots of other illegal behavior.
I want to start a group here that watches the Shomrim. It will keep things in balance and prevent elitism. We all have to be vigilant of the high crimes and misdemeanors that allegedly are occurring here. On a serious note (although I am serious about watching the Shomrim)…….
I was thinking that even if someone out and out gives out their street address, there are SO many homes on any given street to know who is where and who is really who they say they are. If there is a threat, c”vs, that would be on the technical end of things whereby one’s computer is pinged or something, but that falls into the hands of the internet provider. What can a poster here do anyway to help prevent some sort of privacy infringement??? I mean, where do you draw the line? Dont walk outside because the other people on the street can be just as covert about watching you and where you go???
People who drive on main roads and make a turn driving (rolling) as slow as the kind of slow when you have run out of gas and are just hoping to make it into the gas station parking lot.
Also, people on multi lane highways who are just happy in their lane, next to you and behind you, but when you signal to go into their lane to hit the next exit, all of a sudden they have a need for speed and accelerate.
Call me a purist, a romantic, rude, or just wrong. I think this is disgusting. Charging someone more by the year? Why are we treating those who form the foundation of Jewish family life like they are being sold with opposite pricing of day old bread? The terrible message is two-fold: That the value of a woman, human being, a precious neshama changes within a matter of two, three, or so years, and that our young men value someone less by a matter of a handful of years? Shallow, to say the least, has no room in Judaism. And if a husband married his wife at 22, she is less valuabe at 23?? Every 22 year old is a more “difficult sell” than every 21 year old? This is how we look at these girls?
As being the recipients of Torah, we should be ashamed that ad was put out there. It shows anything but a Torah view of the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of family, and the sanctity of those young ladies looking to find someone. I think that organization should be approached by community leaders to change the program and young men should be told it is not derech eretz to say you want to date a 22 year old and not a 23 year old, solely on the reason of age. Terrible! It is a disgrace to run such an ad.
Well you’re the one who started it.
At this time I am not on speaking terms with myself.
Awesome! Thank you!
Jothar, you explained yourself well. I am mochel everyone too. Thank you for being mochel, as well. I only gave myself the privilege of being outspoken to you only because I saw some of your posts were analyzing and being outspoke the others, and then it seemed regardless of the point of the thread, your message was the same. I agree with you safety is very important. Internet safety is an area all to itself. I am glad you are making people aware that not all posters may be what they seem to be. I agree with you that no one should be hurt, obviously. I may be wrong, but it seemed to be your numerous suggestions of closing the place down for no current reason was like wanting to stop issuing driver licenses because someone may get into an accident, which is far more prevalent, tragically, than anything occurring on this particular site.
Anyway, the important thing is I want to thank you for learning, as you are supporting the world spiritually, and I am grateful to you. Also, Have a great Shabbos!! 😀
Hi Health. I am not sure what to say. Rabbi Tatz is a brilliant, brilliant person. So is Rabbi Kamenetzky who was taped saying every single Jew is responsible to make an effort to be mekarev someone. I have also heard shiurim saying that every frum Jew is accountable for this, but will not be judged on this since we are not sure exactly how to go about doing it. Maybe someone can clarify on your and my points.
Hi Wonderstruck! I am BTGuy, CR Shomrim over Jothar posts while he is watching other peoples’ posts. (Just to keep it fair)